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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 14 2016 01:40 GMT
#1661
Makes no sense...






Aerojet Rocketdyne, the company that built the space shuttle’s main engines, on Tuesday stepped up its campaign to supplant Jeff Bezos’s Blue Origin as provider of power for the next generation of US rocket systems.

Julie Van Kleeck, Aerojet’s head of advanced space and launch, told reporters in Colorado Springs that the company’s new AR1 engine would allow the US to maintain “assured access to space” with the least disruption and for the least money.

Aerojet’s push comes as United Launch Alliance, the company that until recently had a monopoly on US national security space launches, prepares to choose an engine for its new rocket systems. ULA — a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed Martin — has been forced to develop a new system because its current main rocket, the Atlas V, depends on the Russian-built RD-180 engine. Russia has threatened to stop supplying for US national security launches.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
April 16 2016 04:29 GMT
#1662
On April 13 2016 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2016 00:35 m4ini wrote:
On April 12 2016 20:52 Incognoto wrote:
So what exactly is the incentive to go to space, precisely? Just for tourism or ?

Pretty cool what's being done here, I guess.


As in real incentive?

Nothing. There's talks about resource gathering etc, but that's decades away. The only actual reason is satellites, and ISS (for now, since 2024 it'll be decommissioned and something else built).

I mean what was the incentive to flying when the wright brothers first got their plane going
It wasn't like you could sell airline tickets or bomb people back then

Anyway satellites are surprisingly lucrative


Good points.


User was warned for being hilarious
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
April 16 2016 05:47 GMT
#1663
On April 16 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2016 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2016 00:35 m4ini wrote:
On April 12 2016 20:52 Incognoto wrote:
So what exactly is the incentive to go to space, precisely? Just for tourism or ?

Pretty cool what's being done here, I guess.


As in real incentive?

Nothing. There's talks about resource gathering etc, but that's decades away. The only actual reason is satellites, and ISS (for now, since 2024 it'll be decommissioned and something else built).

I mean what was the incentive to flying when the wright brothers first got their plane going
It wasn't like you could sell airline tickets or bomb people back then

Anyway satellites are surprisingly lucrative


Good points.




I'm not sure about that considering we've launched satellites into space and have travelled in space already, so its not like the Wright brother's plane at all.

But as steps towards a long-term future in space where we can land on asteroids and perhaps colonize the moon (if anyone wants to live there?) yes it definitely is helpful.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 17 2016 14:41 GMT
#1664
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11998 Posts
April 17 2016 17:54 GMT
#1665
On April 16 2016 14:47 radscorpion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On April 13 2016 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2016 00:35 m4ini wrote:
On April 12 2016 20:52 Incognoto wrote:
So what exactly is the incentive to go to space, precisely? Just for tourism or ?

Pretty cool what's being done here, I guess.


As in real incentive?

Nothing. There's talks about resource gathering etc, but that's decades away. The only actual reason is satellites, and ISS (for now, since 2024 it'll be decommissioned and something else built).

I mean what was the incentive to flying when the wright brothers first got their plane going
It wasn't like you could sell airline tickets or bomb people back then

Anyway satellites are surprisingly lucrative


Good points.




I'm not sure about that considering we've launched satellites into space and have travelled in space already, so its not like the Wright brother's plane at all.

But as steps towards a long-term future in space where we can land on asteroids and perhaps colonize the moon (if anyone wants to live there?) yes it definitely is helpful.


Thing is that people can live anywhere. You can always find people that want to move away from where they are. Standard in Sci Fi is creating religious or political platforms in space where others won't bother them.

After that you have the second and third generations that are stuck there since they can't or can't afford to leave. Followed by the 5:th generation that won't compare it to anything and see it as normal.

I personally wouldn't mind migrating to space, not that I think it would be better, just different. You could probably scrape up 100 million people alive right now that would accept a ticket. The people that can pay for it is a different matter.
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
April 17 2016 18:37 GMT
#1666
People can live anywhere, but they'd need a Really good reason to colonize somewhere that needs advanced life support for them to survive.

The test case is Antarctica, much nicer than anywhere in space, and the only people there rotate out regularly.
(It Might be different if there wasn't the treaty stopping it, but I doubt it.)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2016 17:02 GMT
#1667
The first stage of the SpaceX Falcon 9, that successfully helped launch the CRS-8 Dragon to the ISS prior to landing on a drone ship in the Atlantic, has completed its Port Canaveral processing. The stage is now being transported to KSC for a series of static fire tests, with the ultimate goal to clear it for an upcoming mission that would mark the first reuse of a returned SpaceX booster.


Source

COLORADO SPRINGS — Sometime in the past decade, the idea of launching private rockets into space for cheap became reality.

Just in the past two years, space newcomers SpaceX, Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic have launched more than a dozen rockets. Some made it successfully to space. Others didn't.

Last week, at the annual Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, commercial companies talked about how the race to bring down the cost even more is gaining momentum, at least in theory.

In his keynote at the symposium, Jeff Bezos shared plans for his company, Blue Origin. The Amazon.com founder, like others, is pursuing reusable rockets and suborbital space travel.

"I think the best way for us at Blue Origin to help other space entrepreneurs is to solve that problem of getting payloads into orbit at incredibly low cost because that would unlock the power of thousands of entrepreneurs. That's what we are focused on," Bezos said.

"It's why we are doing the suborbital tourism mission. It's why our BE-3 engine is liquid hydrogen because we know we need liquid hydrogen for our upper-stage and in-space missions later," he said. "It's why we are using liquid natural gas because our goal is to make spaceflight so cheap that the cost of the fuel actually matters."

Blue Origin has successfully launched and landed its New Shepard rocket at least three times since November. It's unknown how many attempts were made in the past — or the cost. The company declined to comment.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
April 20 2016 23:48 GMT
#1668
Pad 39A

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GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 25 2016 14:06 GMT
#1669
SpaceX launched its Falcon 9 rocket into space on April 8, and after the first stage delivered its payload, the vehicle descended back to Earth and landed on an autonomous drone ship in the Atlantic Ocean.

Now the company hopes to repeat that sea-based feat under more dynamically challenging conditions. The launch earlier this month carried a Dragon spacecraft, destined for the International Space Station about 400km above the surface. With a launch tentatively set for May 3 during the early morning hours, SpaceX plans to deliver a Japanese broadcast satellite into orbit 22,000km above the planet's surface.

This means that the first stage will accelerate to a greater velocity, moving almost parallel to the surface and away from the launch site, before it releases the second stage and the primary payload. This trajectory will leave the vehicle with far less fuel to arrest this horizontal motion, and to control its descent to the barge waiting below.

Since the April 8 launch, SpaceX has returned the flown first stage, including its nine engines, to Port Canaveral for initial checkouts. Last week, SpaceX moved the rocket stage to its hangar at Kennedy Space Center for further tests. The company plans to fire its engines 10 times in a row on the ground. “If things look good it will be qualified for reuse,” SpaceX founder Elon Musk said earlier this month. “We’re hoping to relaunch it on an orbital mission, let's say by June.”

The company needs to master the art of ocean-based landings because SpaceX estimates that only one-half of its launches will have enough fuel to fly back to the coast, where it has a ground-based landing zone, after fulfilling their primary missions. The May 3 launch attempt, with its challenging landing conditions, will go a long way toward determining how much SpaceX has learned so far.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-25 17:30:45
April 25 2016 17:25 GMT
#1670
On April 18 2016 02:54 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2016 14:47 radscorpion9 wrote:
On April 16 2016 13:29 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On April 13 2016 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 13 2016 00:35 m4ini wrote:
On April 12 2016 20:52 Incognoto wrote:
So what exactly is the incentive to go to space, precisely? Just for tourism or ?

Pretty cool what's being done here, I guess.


As in real incentive?

Nothing. There's talks about resource gathering etc, but that's decades away. The only actual reason is satellites, and ISS (for now, since 2024 it'll be decommissioned and something else built).

I mean what was the incentive to flying when the wright brothers first got their plane going
It wasn't like you could sell airline tickets or bomb people back then

Anyway satellites are surprisingly lucrative


Good points.




I'm not sure about that considering we've launched satellites into space and have travelled in space already, so its not like the Wright brother's plane at all.

But as steps towards a long-term future in space where we can land on asteroids and perhaps colonize the moon (if anyone wants to live there?) yes it definitely is helpful.


Thing is that people can live anywhere. You can always find people that want to move away from where they are. Standard in Sci Fi is creating religious or political platforms in space where others won't bother them.

After that you have the second and third generations that are stuck there since they can't or can't afford to leave. Followed by the 5:th generation that won't compare it to anything and see it as normal.

I personally wouldn't mind migrating to space, not that I think it would be better, just different. You could probably scrape up 100 million people alive right now that would accept a ticket. The people that can pay for it is a different matter.


Well it would definitely be exciting, at least for the first few months, to live on another planet. Its just you have to be willing to live in a very isolated place for a while. I think that once the moon gets 'built up' by the first settlers it could be a great destination, as with any other location. Though the fact that the moon's gravity is so small means your bone density will decrease..meaning it will be painful or maybe impossible to return to Earth.

And I'm sure future generations will look at the blue-green planet and say "man that looks so exciting, I wonder what's there" (and there is a whole lot obviously), so it would be a hard sell I think, unless the Earth was actually overpopulated.

Probably what you would need to do is launch super-freighters of some kind, with enough people, raw materials, and technology needed to create a pretty habitable place on landing. That way the transition is not so hard. I am looking forward to terraforming technologies though
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 26 2016 01:20 GMT
#1671
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 26 2016 19:51 GMT
#1672
Looks like NASA is going to have it's budget cut and some programs shelved. WHat hapens when a political party doesn't believe in Science I guess.







Also:



Vector Space Systems, a Micro Satellite space launch enterprise comprised of new-space industry veterans from SpaceX, Virgin Galactic, McDonnell Douglas and Sea Launch, today announced it has secured more than $1M in angel funding at Space 2.0 in Silicon Valley.

Vector Space Systems, which sports a roster of technology and aerospace giants to provide industry insight, expertise and leadership, was formed to fundamentally change the dynamics and economics of the space launch industry.

More than just another satellite launch company; Vector Space Systems connects space startups with affordable and reliable launch-enabling platforms and vehicles at a cost point never before possible for accessing space. Featuring the only launch system dedicated to serving the rapidly growing Micro satellite market, Vector Space Systems aims to foster innovation throughout the market segment to spark space commerce growth through reliable and frequent launch opportunities. In addition, Vector Space Systems is developing a platform approach to broaden the access of space technology to non-experts, extending the traditional launch vehicle only model to include space systems that permit anyone to innovate and create space applications without the need for hiring an entirely new satellite development team.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 26 2016 19:55 GMT
#1673
I mean, the political party thinks that, but I feel like a lot of people in the US actually believe in the space program. If I could choose where to spend my tax dollars, I would put a good portion into NASA.
Life?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22036 Posts
April 26 2016 20:34 GMT
#1674
It is also because science is an easy place to cut spending.
People make a lot more fuss if you cut government assistance, education or military.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-27 17:01:51
April 27 2016 16:01 GMT
#1675
Fairly big announcement!



GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11998 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-27 16:53:02
April 27 2016 16:52 GMT
#1676
On April 27 2016 04:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I mean, the political party thinks that, but I feel like a lot of people in the US actually believe in the space program. If I could choose where to spend my tax dollars, I would put a good portion into NASA.


That sounds good. Just like any other projects it is parts and pieces that one likes and dislikes. I don't think NASA uses its budget well from a long term point of view with a lot of projects being something that is done once and then not used again or making what they can buy. As with the lift capacity. Even with flat budget they can do more than they do now.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17181 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-27 17:05:09
April 27 2016 16:55 GMT
#1677
On April 27 2016 04:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Looks like NASA is going to have it's budget cut and some programs shelved. WHat hapens when a political party doesn't believe in Science I guess.

human knowledge continually expands no matter the status of 1 small government donation. NASA is good at PR spin and excuse-making though. They're doing a good job at that; NASA has people thinking "believing in science" equals "handing NASA donation money"

fortunately, i'm not a US citizen. from my perspective i'm glad the liberals gutted SPAR.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5813 Posts
April 27 2016 17:11 GMT
#1678
On April 28 2016 01:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2016 04:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Looks like NASA is going to have it's budget cut and some programs shelved. WHat hapens when a political party doesn't believe in Science I guess.

human knowledge continually expands no matter the status of 1 small government donation. NASA is good at PR spin and excuse-making though. They're doing a good job at that; NASA has people thinking "believing in science" equals "handing NASA donation money"

fortunately, i'm not a US citizen. from my perspective i'm glad the liberals gutted SPAR.

Is there anyone you don't think has good PR?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-27 17:40:42
April 27 2016 17:38 GMT
#1679
Now the big question is why hasn't SpaceX hired Robert Zubrin to start work on designing and building cargo manifests etc that could/would fit on Falcon Heavies. The man has been working on the Mars Direct project for over two decades. This plan would ease the increasing tension between Bigelow Aerospace and SpaceX as both have vested interests in getting to and staying on Mars.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17181 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-27 17:39:38
April 27 2016 17:38 GMT
#1680
On April 28 2016 02:11 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2016 01:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On April 27 2016 04:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Looks like NASA is going to have it's budget cut and some programs shelved. WHat hapens when a political party doesn't believe in Science I guess.

human knowledge continually expands no matter the status of 1 small government donation. NASA is good at PR spin and excuse-making though. They're doing a good job at that; NASA has people thinking "believing in science" equals "handing NASA donation money"

fortunately, i'm not a US citizen. from my perspective i'm glad the liberals gutted SPAR.

Is there anyone you don't think has good PR?


that would be derailing the thread. i prefer not to do that.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04/senate-says-it-wants-a-mars-program-then-forces-nasa-to-cut-landing-tests/

" when in reality this budget will effectively delay any advancement in a NASA-led human mission to Mars, or anywhere at all,"

i'm not sure why he is being so alarmist about it though. a human has not been 400+km off the earth's surface since 1972. and that only happened 7 times. Its been 44 years.. what's a few more? i guess its just partisan political yap.
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