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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2017 04:15 GMT
#2201



What you’re seeing in the video above is a 40 meter tall SpaceX rocket booster, weighing more than 20 tons, fly itself back to Earth from space and land precisely on a target at Cape Canaveral.

What you may be wondering is, how did it do that?

The first thing to know is that a rocket booster is in fact a large robot, steering itself back to earth without h

Landing spacecraft is fundamental to exploring our solar system, as it’s the only effective way to bring heavy scientific equipment or people to a planetary surface. Scientists have been thinking about this since NASA began planning the moon landing in the 1960s. In 2007, Blackmore started working on similar problems at Caltech’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, thinking about how to improve the landing ability of spacecraft being sent to explore the surface of Mars.

In 2009, Blackmore and two colleagues observed in a paper (pdf) that the inability to land precisely on Mars meant that scientific exploration was taking a backseat to the realities of getting a spacecraft to land at a specific location. When planning these trips, engineers visualize landing precision as an imaginary ellipse on the surface of the planet, where the spacecraft has a 99% chance of landing.

In 1997, when NASA sent a rover called Mars Pathfinder to the red planet, it was expected to land within an ellipse 150 kilometers across its major axis, which is not exactly what you want to hear if you’re scientist with a specific destination in mind. By the time the Mars Curiosity rover landed in 2012, JPL’s engineers had the landing ellipse shrunk to 20 kilometers across. That’s still a lot of uncertainty—imagine if you were taking a plane somewhere and you were told you’d land within 20 kilometers of your destination.

But SpaceX has its rockets landing within ellipses of 60- and 20-meters across, on a Cape Canaveral landing pad and on sea-going landing barges, respectively—an improvement by several orders of magnitude.

A big reason for the uncertainty in most Mars rovers is the use of parachutes to land, because engineers are still learning how to use rockets to slow a spacecraft’s descent through a planet’s atmosphere at hypersonic speeds. SpaceX, in developing its reusable rocket, is the only organization to have brought a rocket back from space by actually flying it to Earth at that velocity, and it has shared its groundbreaking work on this aerodynamics problem with NASA to help scientists there plan future Martian missions. But once the physics are mastered of maneuvering a rocket-powered spacecraft in for landing, the rocket still needs to be taught to fly itself down.

Using rocket thrust to control descent allows companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin, whose smaller suborbital rocket has successfully landed and been reused several times, to hit their landing targets precisely by eliminating the parachute drift normally associated with spacecraft falling to earth.

There aren’t human pilots on most spacecraft these days, and it can be difficult to communicate with spacecraft as they land, either because of the distances involved with planetary exploration, or on Earth, because friction with the atmosphere as a rocket flies back down can create an ionization field (a static shock on a grand scale) capable of blocking radio signals.

The computing challenge is simple to describe and hard to execute: Plot the optimal path down to the target without running out of fuel. That’s complicated enough, but also consider the time constraint: The rocket’s computers need to solve this problem before they run out of fuel or crash into earth—in a “fraction of a second,” according to Blackmore. He and his colleagues developed one of the first algorithms to do this in three dimensions in that 2009 paper on Mars landings, receiving a patent on their ideas in 2013.

The solution involves solving a “convex optimization problem,” a common challenge in modern machine learning. In wildly reductive layman’s terms, it involves considering all the possible answers to the question of “what’s the best way to get from here to the landing pad without running out of fuel” as a geometric shape, and uses mathematical tools developed first by John non Neumann, the father of game theory, and refined by Indian mathematician Narendra Karmarkar in the 1980s, to quickly choose the best way down from that set.

At SpaceX, Blackmore and his team have updated the landing algorithms (PDF, p. 15), using software developed by Stanford computer scientists “to generate customized flight code, which enables very high speed onboard convex optimization.”As the rocket reacts to changes in the environment that alter its course—known as “dispersions”—the on-board computers recalculate its trajectory to ensure that it will still be 99% sure to land within its target.


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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 06:39:58
February 22 2017 06:34 GMT
#2202
The Russian Federal Space Agency, Roscosmos, launched the Progress MS-05/66P resupply mission to the International Space Station on Wednesday morning aboard the final Soyuz-U rocket in history. Liftoff from pad 1/5 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome was on schedule at 05:58:33 GMT (00:58:33 EST, 11:58:33 local time) beginning a two-day orbital rendezvous with the Station.


Progress MS-04 investigation wrap up:

Following confirmation of the most probable cause of the Progress MS-04 launch failure on 1 December 2016, Roscosmos ordered a complete third stage engine replacement on the last remaining Soyuz-U carrier rocket, which will be used to launch Progress MS-05 to the International Space Station.

The engine replacement is also being carried out on the third stage of the Soyuz-FG rocket, which is used to launch the crewed Soyuz missions to the Station.

It is understood that this engine replacement was made with an 11D55 (RD-0110) engine built in 2016, instead of the previously installed 11D55 engine that was produced in 2014 with the engine that failed on MS-04’s launch.

There is confidence within Roscosmos that the newly installed, 2016-built engine does not suffer from the same quality assurance issues that plagued the MS-04 third stage engine.

...

In all, Soyuz-U crewed flights continued until 25 April 2002, when the rocket launched the Soyuz TM-34 spacecraft with a three-person crew for a short-duration stay aboard the International Space Station.

Soyuz TM-34 not only marked the final use of the Soyuz-U for crew transportation missions, but also the final flight of the TM-series Soyuz.

With a career spanning 43 years 9 months 4 days, Soyuz-U carries the longest lifetime of any orbital rocket and holds the record for most launches in a single calendar year of 47 flights, which occurred in 1979.

Moreover, it stands as one of the most reliable rockets in history, with a total mission success rate (including today’s MS-05 launch) of 97.204%.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 23 2017 18:13 GMT
#2203
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
February 24 2017 06:35 GMT
#2204
NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.

The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.

“This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington. “Answering the question ‘are we alone’ is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal.”


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 27 2017 05:24 GMT
#2205
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
February 27 2017 06:35 GMT
#2206
On February 27 2017 14:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/836020571490021376

Maybe they're sending astronauts up in a Dragon Capsule? Or Live engine test of the new heavy falcon whatever the hell?
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
February 27 2017 16:18 GMT
#2207
On February 24 2017 15:35 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has revealed the first known system of seven Earth-size planets around a single star. Three of these planets are firmly located in the habitable zone, the area around the parent star where a rocky planet is most likely to have liquid water.

The discovery sets a new record for greatest number of habitable-zone planets found around a single star outside our solar system. All of these seven planets could have liquid water – key to life as we know it – under the right atmospheric conditions, but the chances are highest with the three in the habitable zone.

“This discovery could be a significant piece in the puzzle of finding habitable environments, places that are conducive to life,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of the agency’s Science Mission Directorate in Washington. “Answering the question ‘are we alone’ is a top science priority and finding so many planets like these for the first time in the habitable zone is a remarkable step forward toward that goal.”


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There's also another really great part of that article that should be quoted. In a year we may determine whether water actually exists on these planets:

Spitzer, Hubble, and Kepler will help astronomers plan for follow-up studies using NASA's upcoming James Webb Space Telescope, launching in 2018. With much greater sensitivity, Webb will be able to detect the chemical fingerprints of water, methane, oxygen, ozone, and other components of a planet's atmosphere. Webb also will analyze planets' temperatures and surface pressures – key factors in assessing their habitability.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-27 20:23:46
February 27 2017 20:23 GMT
#2208
On February 27 2017 15:35 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2017 14:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/836020571490021376

Maybe they're sending astronauts up in a Dragon Capsule? Or Live engine test of the new heavy falcon whatever the hell?


Possibly unveiling of the SpaceX spacesuit as one of the designers websites has gone down for maintenance... The suit has been worked on for almost 2-3 years I think.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 27 2017 21:03 GMT
#2209
SpaceX is going to the Moon.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-27 21:37:26
February 27 2017 21:27 GMT
#2210


edit: if this works this is just a massive middle finger to NASA and it's SLS project.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yrr
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany804 Posts
February 27 2017 21:39 GMT
#2211
http://www.spacex.com/news/2017/02/27/spacex-send-privately-crewed-dragon-spacecraft-beyond-moon-next-year
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 27 2017 21:57 GMT
#2212
This could explain why NASA all of sudden is studying a crewed mission on the EM-1. Would be a PR disaster if a private company beat NASA, the NASA, back to the moon.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 27 2017 22:00 GMT
#2213
Maybe they can get manned missions down before they start having moon dreams.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
February 28 2017 02:05 GMT
#2214
I still think this year they will use the Dragon Capsule and send someone to space. But this is a pretty amazing announcement nonetheless.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
February 28 2017 02:07 GMT
#2215
On February 28 2017 06:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This could explain why NASA all of sudden is studying a crewed mission on the EM-1. Would be a PR disaster if a private company beat NASA, the NASA, back to the moon.

For the US government, not NASA. They've been wanting to go back but our science denying congress won't increase the budget. Now DJT wants to increase defense spending? Give that to NASA!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 28 2017 04:35 GMT
#2216
SpaceX's announcement comes shortly after NASA revealed that it is considering launching a crew of two astronauts on the maiden flight of its Space Launch System rocket in 2019. This flight, Exploration Mission-1, would have a similar flight profile to SpaceX's lunar tourism. Both would send spacecraft out past the Moon in a free-return trajectory before returning to Earth after about a week. While SpaceX would use its Dragon, NASA would use its Orion.

Although SpaceX does considerable business with NASA through the agency's commercial crew and cargo vehicles, the private company and the government agency are nonetheless competing when it comes to deep space exploration. NASA has maintained that, while it has opened up low-Earth orbit to private companies, it should take the lead on the exploration of deep space. However, the private space industry has criticized the agency for spending lavishly on the development of the SLS rocket and Orion spacecraft, which account for more than $3 billion annually in NASA's budget.

Additionally, some members of the Trump administration's transition team pushed for heavier commercialization of the space agency when they reviewed NASA's expenditures early this year. But so far, Congress has remained steadfast in its support of the government vehicles, the SLS rocket and Orion.

During the call with reporters, Musk sought to distance his company from any competition with NASA. "I think we're generally encouraging of anything that advances the course of space exploration," Musk said. "I think an SLS/Orion mission would be exciting as well. And I don't know what their timetable is. But I'm not sure if we will be before or after, but I don't think that’s the important thing. I think what matters is really the advancement of space exploration."

Tellingly, however, Musk left the door open for NASA to undertake the mission with the Falcon Heavy and Dragon 2 as a customer. "If NASA decides they want to do the first lunar orbit mission, obviously we would give them priority," Musk said. In other words: If NASA decides it doesn't need the SLS or Orion, we'll fly the mission for them.


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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
February 28 2017 15:26 GMT
#2217
NASA is going to need to take it to outside parties if they want to move forward. Commercializing space was the only next logical choice. The sad part is that we had to wait so long. There is no doubt in my mind that we could have been way past a moon base by now for scienific research. But everyone wanted to put lasers into space.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 28 2017 22:54 GMT
#2218
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9063 Posts
March 01 2017 02:23 GMT
#2219
What does that even mean?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 01 2017 07:53 GMT
#2220
NASA bummed a few spare seats off Boeing (who won them in a lawsuit settlement a while back) so it's all good now. We're safe for another year of delays.
http://spacenews.com/nasa-signs-agreement-with-boeing-for-soyuz-seats/
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