EPTNew Prohibitions on Muhammad Cartoons? - Page 13
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Storm704
United States114 Posts
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yrag89
Malaysia315 Posts
This is what most moderate muslims supports and thinks. Most notably is they want jews out of this world. and the extremist are the ones that does the works. | ||
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ThE_ShiZ
United States143 Posts
I live in a muslim majority country, and I have to say that all of my muslim collegues wants Bush dead, cartoon drawers dead and jews dead. This is what most moderate muslims supports and thinks. Most notably is they want jews out of this world. and the extremist are the ones that does the works. Is this really true? If so, it is quite disturbing. Everybody is saying it's only a small percent, but when is the last time you saw a majority movement by muslims to protest the violence against caricatures and the sort? If muslims feel the danish incident was an overreaction, they're doing a bad job showing it. | ||
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yrag89
Malaysia315 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:16 ThE_ShiZ wrote: Is this really true? If so, it is quite disturbing. Everybody is saying it's only a small percent, but when is the last time you saw a majority movement by muslims to protest the violence against caricatures and the sort? If muslims feel the danish incident was an overreaction, they're doing a bad job showing it. Well you don't have to worry about this because moderates won't do any harm they just voice on their opinion. It's the extremist the ones to be feared. | ||
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ThE_ShiZ
United States143 Posts
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WindOw
Sweden407 Posts
On December 13 2010 18:58 PaPoolee wrote: You guys are retarded, I don't get it, you are refusing to do something about people who insult other peoples religions? I mean would you be okay with it if you were a Christian and somebody made stupid drawings of Jesus or something and spread it around the world? By saying "Many countries have a policy of not negotiating with terrorists" do you mean that all the Islam religion and Muslims are terrorists just because of the doing of some retarded suicide bomber who thought he is something but really he isn't and he deserved to die? if you are then you've got serious problems, every single country and religion has some fucked up people! you cant judge everyone by the doing of one person. I'm not going to argue about this here because I'm easily out numbered... but seriously! grow the fuck up!. User was temp banned for this post. User was temp banned for this post. Ever heard of a christian suicide bomber because of a stupid drawing of jesus? >-<; Woulnt think so... | ||
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Mellotron
United States329 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
There is absolutely no compromise there, and the day we start compromising with theses kind of thing, we are basically fucked. Then, you won't be able to represent Jesus, or God, or a homosexual, or anyhting at all since there is always a fucktard to feel offended somewhere. I find really threatening the increasing recognition of the long forgotten concept of blasphemy. God, I hate religions with a passion... | ||
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Aprikosen
Sweden53 Posts
I could rant on about acceptance and compassion and understanding but these people will never try to belong to this world. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 14 2010 17:07 pyrogenetix wrote: i don't really see the point in agitating something which you know is going to bite back hard. people that draw comics of muhammad are obviously trying to provoke a response. There are plenty of good reasons for "agitating" religion. Either it exposes the flaws in their doctrine which will help them wake up or help their religion evolve with the times, and/or it exposes the extremists which will similarly damage the image of the religion. Anyone who is willing to commit murder over drawings does not deserve to reside in a civilized society. Anything that weeds these people out and even damages religion at the same time is a good thing in my book. The day when anyone can make drawings making fun of anyone and there is no hate, no threat of violence, no religious backlash, that is the day we will have reached true tolerance. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On December 13 2010 19:42 PaPoolee wrote: I know that freedom of speech is important, but it's still wrong to insult what people believe in, I mean if you believe in a slipper, then yes you deserve criticism because that's just plain stupid and you just want people to criticize you, but people with real beliefs shouldn't be insulted and you would be a fucking ignorant dick head if you thought it was okay to insult people for no reason and get away with it just because of your right of freedom of speech. This is such backwards logic that im wondering if this guy is trolling. What defines "real beliefs"? Why shouldnt they be insulted? Ppl arent allowed to be "ignorant dick heads"? I dont even know where to begin.... and leave my slipper god alone | ||
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DragoonPK
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spartacus92
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On December 13 2010 19:42 PaPoolee wrote: I know that freedom of speech is important, but it's still wrong to insult what people believe in, I mean if you believe in a slipper, then yes you deserve criticism because that's just plain stupid and you just want people to criticize you, but people with real beliefs shouldn't be insulted and you would be a fucking ignorant dick head if you thought it was okay to insult people for no reason and get away with it just because of your right of freedom of speech. Who are you to say whats right and wrong? so just because something is popular its right? THAT is ignorant. what if heaven exists (not a believer myself but hey thats not the point) and you get there and it turns out believing in rocks or something is the true religion (using a crazy example as to not offend anyone  ) And comedy doesn't need a reason. Go watch a stand up comic they make fun of people for entertainment for the sake of entertainment. There are comic strips that make fun of US presidents because its funny! Lighten up if you take everything this serious you are not going to make it!! laugh!! not everything is life and death! Freedom of speech doesnt mean your free to say what you want? | ||
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
With that, we could drawn whatever fucking CARTOONS we wanted, and people wouldn't be getting killed for an opinion on paper. Seriously this world is pretty screwed....But as for the question, NO. Don't do shit, if anything draw MORE insulting pictures. Show these stupid ass hats that we don't care what they say, Religion as a whole in this world causes far more bad than good has ever come. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On December 14 2010 11:12 TheOvermind77 wrote: And to be clear, this isn't just an Islam thing. Christians recently went berserk a movie shown at the Smithsonian that depicted a rotting cross. By "went berserk" do you mean "set off bombs and killed people"? | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
On December 13 2010 18:35 smokeyhoodoo wrote: You have three options against Radical Islam. 1. Kill them. 2. Get killed. 3. Convert to Islam. Banning cartoons falls under option 2. THIS sweden is gonna be the first country thatz gona get converted into radical islamic state we will all see in a decade | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On December 13 2010 23:34 sc4k wrote: Freedom of mockery is one of the cornerstones of free speech. Your religion violates basic civilised decency if it can't be mocked. Every edified establishment can and should be mocked. The only establishments which don't usually permit mockery are authoritarian- fascism and communism. Islam is in this group because of the large amount of undiplomatic, unsavoury, unworldly individuals that run the gamut of importance in this religion from lowest to highest postings who are extremely outspoken and refuse us the right to mock their completely unsubstantiated claims as to the true nature and origin of the universe and life. Being respectful to religions in the political arena is one thing- diplomacy is king there. But in mockery the king is freedom. Quoting this because I fully agree with it. But I have to add that I understand that people can be offended by it, people always have been. | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On December 13 2010 19:20 Blobskillz wrote: you didnt read it yourself so better dont start this discussion. And there is no need to ban these Cartoons. It should be a matter of respect not do to this. Making a Muhammad cartoon just shows off the witlessness of the cartoonist if he cant think of something original, and has to insult the vast majority of muslims, who are perfectly fine people just to annoy some extremists. How can you come right off the bat saying that I didn't read the Quran? You have no idea who I am or know anything about me, for all you know I could be a theologian studying Islam. But in any case, you are partially correct, I haven't read the entire Quran, but I read about the first 150 pages of the approximately 300 page version that I had, and in those 150 pages I read plenty of passages that had a lot in common with these extremists, thats why I said you should actually read the book before you start spouting nonsense about what it does and doesn't have anything in common with. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On December 14 2010 01:28 sekritzzz wrote: The thing is, I personally am not asking anyone to care its really up to you. I'm talking about the hypocrisy of complete freedom of speech which a lot of people preach from the West. They preach human right violations in China yet they have guantanamo bay right in their backdoor. They talk about Taliban monsters, yet they've killed over 2 million muslims, scratch that 2 million terrorists since 9/11 according to them. Its sad how repetitive history is. Just a few centuries ago, the aborigines/blacks/native American Indians were the savages and the Europeans felt the need to save them by making them civil by completely destroying them. As much as I'd like this West-Islam tension to cool down and go down a peaceful road, I honestly believe it isn't going to happen. As sad as this sounds, I think this is just going to lead to something as big as the fight for black rights/jews during the holocaust, if not bigger before its ever resolved. The real problem with the offense people take when their religion is insulted is that they were brainwashed to believe those religions are somehow sacred when they were children, and to act out against any naysayers. I have a question for you: Do you believe that the world will never see peace until every person on earth is a Muslim? Does it not say that in the Qur'an? I personally believe we can achieve world peace without anybody changing any religion (although more atheists might help). The problem with feeling insulted when somebody bashes mohammud, jesus, or moses is that those things are completely ridiculous from a logical and reasonable standpoint. Modern ethics should not be be influenced by any of the writings which spawned public thought on those figures. Although each does some good things in their respective works, and it's easy to quote the passages in which they do good things, one must realize that the rest of the books are founded in completely nothing and should merit no more reaction than reading about how Atticus Finch defended the black man in court in "To Kill a Mockingbird". I can honestly say I would never feel hatred toward anybody over something they write, draw, or depict in video. Do you want to post pictures of the 9/11 victims at inappropriate times to prove a point? Fine. That's your right, and a lot of people will hate you for it, but at least in America you don't have to worry about dying over it. Another point I'd like to make is that the atrocities that the American government has committed in the middle east and in guantanamo bay will come to light eventually, and I hope as much as you that the people responsible for those atrocities are brought to justice. The great thing about America is that nobody fully agrees with the government 100% of the time and we're allowed to speak out against those horrible crimes without fear of backlash. Can you say the same about islamic middle eastern theocracies? | ||
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