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Imperfect1987
Profile Joined August 2010
United States558 Posts
November 16 2010 05:59 GMT
#101
It's the parents responsibility to raise their children right. It's common sense that taking your kids to McDonald's a few days a week is unhealthy. However, it is also common sense that taking your kids to McDonald's a few times a year as a special treat won't harm them. Taking away the happy meal toy is an unfair punishment for the kids. I suppose the parents can just go to Oakland to get their kids a real happy meal but it seems rather inconvenient. Sure it might be a sneaky marketing ploy by McDonald's to put toys but it is not unethical. What is next? Taking away arcade games from Chuck E. Cheese's?
The keyboard is mightier than the pen.
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
November 16 2010 05:59 GMT
#102
Marketing is powerful, but you guys are overestimating its effect, otherwise why don't you see the Broccoli lobby putting out ads associating their product with toys? I think it's pretty easy to see why Happy Meals are so popular: they f*cking taste good.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 16 2010 06:03 GMT
#103
On November 16 2010 14:58 palookieblue wrote:

Slightly off-topic:
I live in Australia and from grades 9-12 (grade 12 is the last year of high school) I had McDonalds about 3 times a week, for almost the whole year (for 4 years).

...

Over this time I managed to collect all the snoopy toys that were in the happy meals (yes both the soft versions and the plastic ones!) as well as countless other toys which still sit proudly on my shelf. I only go to McDonalds maybe once or twice a month now, but I still consider myself a veteran. (:


You ordered a happy meal when you went to mcdonalds even in high school? Maybe that's why you didn't balloon at the waist, because you're ordering food intended for a kid
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2010 06:17 GMT
#104
I think it's a great idea and every country/state should enforce it. It's not like the law bans McD's stupid toys (man did I like them when I was a kid), it just mandates that the meals have to be somewhat healthy. Why is this a problem?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 16 2010 06:24 GMT
#105
*sigh* It's been vetoed so either:

A) Under weight of the scrutiny piled upon it, they reconsider and don't overrided it.

B) McDonalds sues and this law gets overturned faster than you can blink.

Seriously, cut the fascist crap. The government has no right to tell me what I can and can't eat, how I raise my child, or how a company legally promotes its products.
SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
November 16 2010 06:30 GMT
#106
All those damn six-year olds and their credit cards trundling down to McDonald's to buy themselves happy meals . . . so sad.

Oh wait, you mean parents are the ones buying their kids happy meals? I guess telling your kids "no" is way too hard for parents these days. SAVE ME GUBERMINT! PARINT MAH KIDS FOR MAH!
iloveoil
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway171 Posts
November 16 2010 06:33 GMT
#107
On November 16 2010 15:17 Cambium wrote:
I think it's a great idea and every country/state should enforce it. It's not like the law bans McD's stupid toys (man did I like them when I was a kid), it just mandates that the meals have to be somewhat healthy. Why is this a problem?


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nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
November 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#108
There are a lot of people, particularly from the US, playing down how big of a role these toys and advertising plays.

Look at what happens when you INCENTIVISE over-borrowing - the financial crisis happens.

A lot of people have said "it is the parents' role", and YES a lot of it is. However, all you need to look at is the financial crisis to see how people act happens when you incentivise a certain behaviour.

When you incentivise fast-food people will buy lots of fast food. The United States also has an overwhelming majority of adults being overweight or obese (74.1% in this source - http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html)
SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
November 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#109
On November 16 2010 15:17 Cambium wrote:
I think it's a great idea and every country/state should enforce it. It's not like the law bans McD's stupid toys (man did I like them when I was a kid), it just mandates that the meals have to be somewhat healthy. Why is this a problem?

Maybe because I don't go to McDonald's for healthy food? If I want to buy terrible food, and McD's wants to sell me terrible food, who are you to say otherwise? Maybe my goal in life is to be 600 lbs. and you should mind your own business.

(Actually, I don't go to McDonald's at all because I think their food sucks, but I do know a lot of people who like it . . . )
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 06:45:58
November 16 2010 06:45 GMT
#110
On November 16 2010 15:39 nebffa wrote:
There are a lot of people, particularly from the US, playing down how big of a role these toys and advertising plays.

Look at what happens when you INCENTIVISE over-borrowing - the financial crisis happens.

A lot of people have said "it is the parents' role", and YES a lot of it is. However, all you need to look at is the financial crisis to see how people act happens when you incentivise a certain behaviour.

When you incentivise fast-food people will buy lots of fast food. The United States also has an overwhelming majority of adults being overweight or obese (74.1% in this source - http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat_2.html)

You don't need marketing to incentivize fast food. Your body's desire for tasty, tasty calories is enough of an incentive.

Seriously, I think people are pretty stupid and ignorant compared to myself, but if they followed advertisements like the mindless sheeple you guys think they are, then it would be pretty damn easy to get Americans to eat better and exercise more. There's millions to be made by Whole Foods and 24 Hour Fitness.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 06:54:41
November 16 2010 06:49 GMT
#111
On November 16 2010 15:39 SaroDarksbane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 15:17 Cambium wrote:
I think it's a great idea and every country/state should enforce it. It's not like the law bans McD's stupid toys (man did I like them when I was a kid), it just mandates that the meals have to be somewhat healthy. Why is this a problem?

Maybe because I don't go to McDonald's for healthy food? If I want to buy terrible food, and McD's wants to sell me terrible food, who are you to say otherwise? Maybe my goal in life is to be 600 lbs. and you should mind your own business.

(Actually, I don't go to McDonald's at all because I think their food sucks, but I do know a lot of people who like it . . . )


Good try going for the extreme, except the target audience for the happy meal is the children, and I'd like to think very few are capable of making these decisions, especially going along with your argument of having a strong desire to be 600 lbs.

Face it, most children go for these stupid toys, and they couldn't care less about what they eat. Even if the healthy meals don't taste as good as the regular happy meals, kids will still not have a problem wolfing them down just to hold a plastic Ronald.

Are people seriously upset about this...?

edit:

From the comments I'm reading, I get the feeling that some people and I are reading completely different articles here. The government is not stopping McD to sell fast food, they were simply forbidding (vetoed now, w/e) a cheap trick that targets innocent and ignorant children: something that rakes in inestimable amount of profit at the cost of the children's healths. How is this a bad thing?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 06:55:21
November 16 2010 06:52 GMT
#112
On November 16 2010 15:49 Cambium wrote:Good try going for the extreme, except the target audience for the happy meal is the children, and I'd like to think very few are capable of making these decisions

The children are buying these meals? With what? How are they getting to McD's on their own?

Are people seriously upset about this...?

You betcha. My pet peeve is other people telling me how to run my life, especially when it's "for my own good".

EDIT:

Goes right along with banning transfats in New York, and now Bloomberg's trying to ban salt in restaurants. How hard is it for people to just mind their own fucking business? Seriously?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 06:58:23
November 16 2010 06:56 GMT
#113
On November 16 2010 15:52 SaroDarksbane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 15:49 Cambium wrote:Good try going for the extreme, except the target audience for the happy meal is the children, and I'd like to think very few are capable of making these decisions

The children are buying these meals? With what? How are they getting to McD's on their own?


The kid will most likely nag and nag and nag; I know that's what I did.


Show nested quote +
Are people seriously upset about this...?

You betcha. My pet peeve is other people telling me how to run my life, especially when it's "for my own good".

You can buy as much fucking McD as you want; no one is stopping McD from selling anything. They are just trying to stop them giving away the toy. Are we on the same page here?


From the comments I'm reading, I get the feeling that some people and I are reading completely different articles here. The government is not stopping McD from selling fast food, they were simply forbidding (vetoed now, w/e) a cheap trick that targets innocent and ignorant children: something that rakes in inestimable amount of profit at the cost of the children's healths. How is this a bad thing?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
November 16 2010 06:59 GMT
#114
the only reason i ever got happy meals were because my mom wanted the teeny babies that came with it

guess she used me because she was too ashamed to buy a happy meal =(
SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 07:01:20
November 16 2010 07:00 GMT
#115
On November 16 2010 15:56 Cambium wrote:
The kid will most likely nag and nag and nag; I know that's what I did.

A good opportunity to tell them "NO!". You know, parenting and shit.

You can buy as much fucking McD as you want; no one is stopping McD from selling anything. They are just trying to stop them giving away the toy. Are we on the same page here?

No one is trying to stop McD's from selling anything, except for the thing they are stopping them from selling (the toy). Good to know.

Maybe I want my kid to get a goddamn toy with his meal? It's a happy meal for christ sakes!
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
November 16 2010 07:02 GMT
#116
Being a guy who's never exceeded 136 lbs (5'8"), I don't feel like I have the right to comment on this issue. I just think obesity is funny, and that airlines should charge extra for fat people. Oh, and I downed a KFC Double Down last Friday... disgusting. -fin
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SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 07:04:56
November 16 2010 07:04 GMT
#117
On November 16 2010 16:02 OpticalShot wrote:airlines should charge extra for fat people.

Should probably charge by weight, including both your person and the luggage you bring with you.

Oh, and I downed a KFC Double Down last Friday... disgusting. -fin

Ugh, those things look so terrible.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 07:06:02
November 16 2010 07:05 GMT
#118
On November 16 2010 16:00 SaroDarksbane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 15:56 Cambium wrote:
The kid will most likely nag and nag and nag; I know that's what I did.

A good opportunity to tell them "NO!". You know, parenting and shit.

Show nested quote +
You can buy as much fucking McD as you want; no one is stopping McD from selling anything. They are just trying to stop them giving away the toy. Are we on the same page here?

No one is trying to stop McD's from selling anything, except for the thing they are stopping them from selling (the toy). Good to know.

Maybe I want my kid to get a goddamn toy with his meal? It's a happy meal for christ sakes!


I've been around long enough to know not to argue on the Internet. Clearly, I am not going to change your mind, and you sure as hell aren't going to change mine.

We shall each have our own opinions in peace, okay?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
SaroDarksbane
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
November 16 2010 07:10 GMT
#119
We shall each have our own opinions in peace, okay?

Fair enough.

Sadly, that's all I want in life too. But as this story demonstrates, some people have a big problem with that. =(
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2010 07:11 GMT
#120
On November 16 2010 16:10 SaroDarksbane wrote:
Show nested quote +
We shall each have our own opinions in peace, okay?

Fair enough.

Sadly, that's all I want in life too. But as this story demonstrates, some people have a big problem with that. =(

I keep on reminding myself of this quote:

Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win youre still retarded.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
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