EPTIf you had headphones with the same effective FR as speakers at a given distance, then what?
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
If you had headphones with the same effective FR as speakers at a given distance, then what? | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On January 08 2012 01:31 LaaLaaLeevi wrote: That is not true. "In loudspeaker reproduction, sounds must travel several feet before reaching the listener's ears. By the time they arrive, a portion of the high frequencies have been absorbed by the air. Low frequencies are not absorbed as much, but they are more felt through bone conduction than actually heard. With headphones, the ears hear all frequencies without any attenuation, because the transducers are literally pressed against them. Thus, when listening to headphones at the same effective volume level as loudspeakers, headphones may still transmit louder high frequencies that are more likely to cause hearing damage." http://gilmore2.chem.northwestern.edu/articles/hearing_art.htm But half-good headphones aren't just small loudspeakers, the highs are toned down in comparison so that you don't have to turn it up high just to hear the bass. Maybe it was different in the 90s when that article was written and people used walkmans with headphones stolen off aeroplanes, but I don't believe it to be true now. | ||
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gwg
Finland92 Posts
Im looking for headphones. I'll be using them with iPod/laptop. My budget is max 300 euros. What I need: - Sound isolation (doesnt have to be perfect - but so that I can relax when flying/commuting) - Good sound (ofc) (-) Design Have come up with the following ones: -Bose QC15 (apparently overpriced) -ATH-M50s -B&W P5 -Denon AH-NC800 What do you recommend? | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
On January 07 2012 22:13 LaaLaaLeevi wrote: I never listened it loud. Should have taken much more breaks though. If you look at the charts you need like 82dB 24/7 to harm your hearing without any louder sound that that. What you're describing is not the issue of sound, but the fact that ear is not designed to be covered for a long time (let alone filled with IEMs). Hearing damage is not the only cause of tinnitus, but also ear infection and that can easily be caused by extended use of headphones  . There are several other causes so you need to check up on all of them, it's not just about hearing damage. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On January 08 2012 22:35 gwg wrote: Hi guys! Im looking for headphones. I'll be using them with iPod/laptop. My budget is max 300 euros. What I need: - Sound isolation (doesnt have to be perfect - but so that I can relax when flying/commuting) - Good sound (ofc) (-) Design Have come up with the following ones: -Bose QC15 (apparently overpriced) -ATH-M50s -B&W P5 -Denon AH-NC800 What do you recommend? It depends how much you commute. The QC15 is over-priced for the sound quality perhaps, yes. But I'll be honest I have not heard a noise-cancelling headphone that can compete with the bose, that is their strength. If you are mainly using them on a train or flying, the audio quality with a Bose is better simply because it doesn't have aeroplane noise. The difference between sound isolation and noise-cancelling is enormous, so it really depends on how much you fly/travel. | ||
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gwg
Finland92 Posts
On January 09 2012 03:22 Deadeight wrote: It depends how much you commute. The QC15 is over-priced for the sound quality perhaps, yes. But I'll be honest I have not heard a noise-cancelling headphone that can compete with the bose, that is their strength. If you are mainly using them on a train or flying, the audio quality with a Bose is better simply because it doesn't have aeroplane noise. The difference between sound isolation and noise-cancelling is enormous, so it really depends on how much you fly/travel. Thx for your input! Ok, what would you go for if sound isolation is good enough? | ||
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recline
United States76 Posts
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DeathAngel
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tuho12345
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On January 09 2012 07:39 gwg wrote: Thx for your input! Ok, what would you go for if sound isolation is good enough? It depends a little on what you listen to. Something like the ATH-M50 is very popular and a great headphone, really nice bass on it. I think the DT770 is another very popular one. Personally I listen to a lot of classical music and prefer a headphone without the bass emphasis. If you prefer a headphone which is more "neutral" both the Shure SRH840 and the Fischer FA-003 are brilliant at that price point. I'm afraid I have no idea about the other two you mentioned in your post. | ||
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TrojanSC
United States27 Posts
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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Aeropunk
Australia255 Posts
btw, I know they never had lot's of bass, but all the sounds were very crisp and clear. Now it just sounds like I have two tin cans strapped to the side of my head. Also, On January 09 2012 08:28 logikly wrote: wondering the same thing, since it looks like I'll be getting new headphones!Logitech G35 <3... Also Anyone know of a surround sound headset that isnt USB that has above and beyond quality sound. Must have good bass for my dubstep. | ||
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LaaLaaLeevi
200 Posts
On January 09 2012 02:51 Zax19 wrote: If you look at the charts you need like 82dB 24/7 to harm your hearing without any louder sound that that. What you're describing is not the issue of sound, but the fact that ear is not designed to be covered for a long time (let alone filled with IEMs). Hearing damage is not the only cause of tinnitus, but also ear infection and that can easily be caused by extended use of headphones . There are several other causes so you need to check up on all of them, it's not just about hearing damage.Definetely true, tinnitus can have many causes. I had tinnitus in my right ear, very silent thought, when I have worked a lot headphones on. Of course its possible that there are other causes which have made it louder etc. After that I went to see a very loud movie, Transformers 3 and since that, my both ears have been ringing last 9 months. My doctor said that its very possible that I have had tinnitus coming for a long time but last loud exposure finally triggered it in both ears. | ||
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gosublade
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![[image loading]](http://www.gamecrashers.com.br/imagens/gamecrashers.com.br/produtos/fatality.jpg) Also, I'm one to put comfort above anything else. What would be the best ones for $100-$200? <3 | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On January 09 2012 08:28 logikly wrote: Logitech G35 <3... Also Anyone know of a surround sound headset that isnt USB that has above and beyond quality sound. Must have good bass for my dubstep. Surround sound that isn't usb? Uhh, that would mean it has 3.5mm jacks for front/center/back/whatever? I don't think I've ever heard of anything like that. And now my rant: surround sound in headphones is a sham. The space in between the driver and your ear in headphones is not even close to big enough to resolve any sort of surround sound effect. Obviously it works with speakers, but not with headphones. Edit: And the ones that advertise multiple drivers? That's an even bigger scam. That means they put a bunch of tiny, shitty drivers to accomplish what is impossible in the first place. So despite not even accomplishing any sort of surround sound effect, the small drivers now make the headphones sound like shit when in stereo. No bueno. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
So I recently got some Sennheiser HD650s and I'm looking for some good stuff to drive them. Not long ago, someone suggested the Yulong D100 which I keep as a definite option as it combines both a DAC and an AMP, plus it has good reviews. It goes for around $450-500 which is a bit on the expensive side for me, but it's OK. I've also been looking at the Little Dot MKiii and I'm thinking I would like to try a tube amp. However, now I have a few questions. 1- How much should I spend on a DAC to go with a $250 AMP and what are some good DACs that I could use paired with the Little Dot MKiii? I would like to put the DAC under the AMP too, so it's better if it looks decent. 2- Would it work / make sense to purchase a Little Dot MKiii and use it with my Auzentech Bravura sound card temporarily until I can find the money to get a DAC? (Note: This would imply that I would use the sound card's 6.3mm AMP'd jack -> Little Dot's RCA inputs.) 3- Are there other options around $400-600 (closer than $400 is good) for both DAC and AMP? | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On January 10 2012 13:38 Djzapz wrote: This is for people who know a few things about sound hardware. So I recently got some Sennheiser HD650s and I'm looking for some good stuff to drive them. Not long ago, someone suggested the Yulong D100 which I keep as a definite option as it combines both a DAC and an AMP, plus it has good reviews. It goes for around $450-500 which is a bit on the expensive side for me, but it's OK. I've also been looking at the Little Dot MKiii and I'm thinking I would like to try a tube amp. However, now I have a few questions. 1- How much should I spend on a DAC to go with a $250 AMP and what are some good DACs that I could use paired with the Little Dot MKiii? I would like to put the DAC under the AMP too, so it's better if it looks decent. 2- Would it work / make sense to purchase a Little Dot MKiii and use it with my Auzentech Bravura sound card temporarily until I can find the money to get a DAC? (Note: This would imply that I would use the sound card's 6.3mm AMP'd jack -> Little Dot's RCA inputs.) 3- Are there other options around $400-600 (closer than $400 is good) for both DAC and AMP? I'm probably not the best for this as I don't know a lot about tubes, but I'll give it a shot. 1. LittleDot makes a DAC, go with that. Another DAC that I've heard is good is the HRT MusicStreamer II, here: http://www.whathifi.com/review/hrt-music-streamer-ii 2. Would it work? Yes. Would it make sense? No. I checked and the Bravura doesn't have a line out, so you're stuck with the headphone out, which is already amplified by the card. So what you end up hearing in your headphones will be double amped, and you have no idea if the two amp sections will play nice with each other. 3. The only other name I've heard being thrown around in tubeland is Schiit. You can check their stuff here: http://schiit.com/ Well, I tried. I'm no expert on tubes, so research research research. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
As for the Little Dot DAC, it's a bit too expensive for me running over $300. I must say it's very tempting though. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On January 10 2012 14:30 seiferoth10 wrote: 2. Would it work? Yes. Would it make sense? No. I checked and the Bravura doesn't have a line out, so you're stuck with the headphone out, which is already amplified by the card. So what you end up hearing in your headphones will be double amped, and you have no idea if the two amp sections will play nice with each other. I think the green stereo out jack is a line out and may not be passed through the headphone amp? Anyhow, if you really want to spend $400, I would guess...CEntrance DACport (not LX, you want the standard DACport with the amp)? http://www.stereophile.com/content/centrance-dacport-usb-headphone-amplifier-measurements http://centrance.com/products/dacport/ I know CEntrance licenses out some USB receiver code to other companies, including those making high-end studio gear, and their MicPort and other products are well regarded in the pro audio / recording space. I'd be a little more wary of the random audiophile company that stuffs brand-name audiophile components into a fancy-looking enclosure (in addition to cheapo stuff, instead of getting what works) and then proceeds with typical audiophile marketing tactics and pseudoscience. Some of those products may be good, but sometimes you get complete fails like headphone amps that deliver 2V transients on power on/off, extremely high jitter, 0 dBFS signals clipping, DAC chips running at 192 kHz no matter what the input is, etc. | ||
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