On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
I wrote a really long post about why people don't like kanye west but it got erased because I was logged out so.
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
No one can deny that Kanye is one of the best if not the best producer in the game right now. His beats are almost always 100% on point - they're the kind of beat that you can picture any rapper killing it. The film was definitely interesting - there were actually alot of art-film allusions in it which is pretty satisfying for a film major to see in pop culture. I don't really see where all this criticism is coming from- everyone seems to be calling Kanye a douchebag or pretentious... I don't really see how thats a critism against his music video. Its overall well shot, lots of interesting composition, costuming and allusions. Kanye may not be the best lyrsist in the world but he's alot smarter than most people give him credit for. Also I can't help but laugh at the ubiquitous 90s hip hop afficonadoes (almost definitely white teenagers) trumpeting stuff like Public Enemy... most 90s hip hop, when you actually get down to it, sounds like stuff I'd make up freestyling baked in Math Class the tenth grade.... what Kanye is doing is much more earnest and sophisticated in the long run.
On October 30 2010 06:24 sickoota wrote:Also I can't help but laugh at the ubiquitous 90s hip hop afficonadoes (almost definitely white teenagers) trumpeting stuff like Public Enemy... most 90s hip hop, when you actually get down to it, sounds like stuff I'd make up freestyling baked in Math Class the tenth grade.... what Kanye is doing is much more earnest and sophisticated in the long run.
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
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You do know most producers go crate digging to find inspiration for their beats?
If you're going to hate on a DJ/Producer for using pieces of other artists, then you might as well not listen to hip-hop at all.
A nice series on the subject:
Now I personally don't even care about what he does in his free time, so I'll just keep enjoying his music.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
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You do know most producers go crate digging to find inspiration for their beats?
If you're going to hate on a DJ/Producer for using pieces of other artists, then you might as well not listen to hip-hop at all.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
So basically you haven't listened to a single album of his other than Heartbreak.
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy doesn't seem to have much autotune if any, if you just took the time to watch his film.
Bumping this thread. MBDTF has been out for a while and it's absolutely brilliant.
Pitchfork gave it a 10 out of 10. Not a 10 for me (I still think Sir Luscious Left Foot was better) but it's an amazing album. Without a doubt the best production I've ever heard on a hip-hop record. Very little auto-tuning, great use of other features artists, the whole album just has a very "big" and "epic" sound. It seems like a lot of hip-hop/r&b inspired pop music is heading in that direction (see: Janelle Monae's Arch-Android) and I don't have a problem with it at all.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
You're like the 5th person in this thread who doesn't know that Good Music is the record label name...
On November 23 2010 07:55 LaLLsc2 wrote: I purchased it this morning. Amazing album. Kanye hasn't fallen off yet my friends.
He's picked up in the last year. Easily been taking over my playlist.
On November 23 2010 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bumping this thread. MBDTF has been out for a while and it's absolutely brilliant.
Pitchfork gave it a 10 out of 10. Not a 10 for me (I still think Sir Luscious Left Foot was better) but it's an amazing album. Without a doubt the best production I've ever heard on a hip-hop record. Very little auto-tuning, great use of other features artists, the whole album just has a very "big" and "epic" sound. It seems like a lot of hip-hop/r&b inspired pop music is heading in that direction (see: Janelle Monae's Arch-Android) and I don't have a problem with it at all.
Even Elton John lays it down on this record :o
Was he in the final cut of All of the Lights? Song below because it's awesome:
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is actually hip hop. It's like a breathe in the soulja boy, waka flocka flame, tyga, and all of those other gimmicky punchline rappers. Kanye, is like Durian fruit, smells like shit but sweet as hell but instead, bigass douchebag that can make some good songs.
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