So for any Kanye West fans out there he just released a short-film called "Runaway" which is mostly based on the song "Runaway" but has other excerpts from "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy".
This movie shows you the the mind of Kanye West, he directed the whole movie (although guessing he got alot of help). The movie looks amazing in HD and is available on YouTube here:
In short its a story about him and his pheonix.
In short if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music in general definitely watch this movie. The cinematography is great, clothing design is great, and music, the most important part is great and has great guests like Kid CuDi, Dwele, etc. and great producers like RZA, Q-Tip, Pete Rock, and DJ Premier.
Also please don't bring in Kanye West is an asshole, a retard, a faggot, etc.
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Also please do not judge the movie by the youtube snapshot.
The music is excellent. Kanye is often sneered at by musical elitists because of his popularity but he is an absolutely brilliant producer and this album looks like it will be his best.
This was a very very interesting video. I can see how he tried to express to everyone that he is different. The colors and the imagery was just perfect. The COVER, however, disturbs me a great deal
Saw this on VEVO, great video. Kanye West is definitely one of the best right now (cept when he released 808 and heartbreak blah). LOVE college dropout.
On October 26 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The music is excellent. Kanye is often sneered at by musical elitists because of his popularity but he is an absolutely brilliant producer and this album looks like it will be his best.
The movie was awesome.
Good producer? Absolutely. That is his background after all. I don't think he's that great of an artist though and most people I know that sneer at him do so because he's an obnoxious douchebag above all else.
On October 26 2010 11:32 delloR wrote: Saw this on VEVO, great video. Kanye West is definitely one of the best right now (cept when he released 808 and heartbreak blah). LOVE college dropout.
I think you need to relisten to 808 and Heartbreaks without judgement on the autotune.
On October 26 2010 11:39 stafu wrote: I sort of liked Good Life, but after reading his blog and hearing his attempt at remixing Young Folks I lost all respect.
sorry bout double posting i have been watching the video, and didnt refresh first. i would have edited above post had i known. heres a link to DL the .mp3 i donno if a mod will delete it, and or if this works, so get it while its up!
there we go, hey anyone know of really long song names just like this, i hate short .mp3's and long stories are best types of music, stories in general are always best, pink floyd has good music for that among hundres of other artists. but yeah please tell me,!
I wish more artists were like Kayne. I also used to think 808 was one that you could pass up on. After listening to it in its entirety without judgement I can honestly say I loved it. It brings out so much emotion, which is what music is all about.
This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
On October 26 2010 11:39 stafu wrote: I sort of liked Good Life, but after reading his blog and hearing his attempt at remixing Young Folks I lost all respect.
Anyone else think that the supermegaautotuned part of Runaway (the end) just sounds awful? I liked the rest of the song - even at the MTV VMAs, but I just figured that it was bad autotune or some stage effects gone wrong or something. ...apparantly he put it into the studio version. O_o
also, I lol'ed at: Your girlfriend is very beautiful. Did you know she was a bird? - No, I didn't notice that.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. I'm sure I could find 5 relatively un-famous artists on youtube who make him look incompetent. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Oh and it doesn't help that he has an ego the size of the pacific ocean and sub-average intellect. Whether you like it or not and defend him in the OP you can't remove the bias everyone has due to various idiotic things he has done in public.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
Completely agree, a high schooler could have designed this movie
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
Actually, yes it can and should.
Please listen to real hip-hop, this is embarrassing.
I really don't understand this. I don't understand why everyone thinks Kanye is a genius.
It's not like I'm anti-rap. I just don't get this bullshit.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I agree completely. I don't see any artistic value in this. It reminds me of Stewie's music video.
On October 26 2010 13:16 heyoka wrote: Kanye fucking rules. I don't know how you can hate someone who is so insane he is actually creating his own spin on trapped in the closet.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
On October 26 2010 13:16 heyoka wrote: Kanye fucking rules. I don't know how you can hate someone who is so insane he is actually creating his own spin on trapped in the closet.
I fucking lol'd... hes pinching a plane and some of the comments are: "clever manipulation", "simple, but neat!", "cool lol!". Seems like the only thing with less brain cells then Kanye are his twitter followers, who somehow have never seen someone pinching something in a photo, or held their own arm out and pinched something in the air....
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
yea seriously you can definitely like both of them. Kanye west is definitely good. That was a whole diff era stop trying to compare it to now. On the other hand I wont defend lil wayne cause haha although I like him he makes some retarded shit.
That movie was sweet - Greatest thing of that sort I've seen since Interstella 5555 (Animated feature to Daft Punk's Discovery album). Kanye West has made some of my favorite hip-hop and I'm glad to see he's still innovating.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
It has always bothered me that there is a relatively high level of ignorance present in our population concerning the subject of Art. First let me state that not all entertainment is art and that not all art is good art. Good, meaning that the piece expresses emotions or ideas in a genuine and somewhat unique fashion. However that is not to say that there are pieces of art that are identical to one and another but to say that when two pieces express the same idea in generally the same way the newer piece will be of less artistic value unless it makes vast improvements over its predecessor. At the very least the newer work should acknowledge the existence of the older piece. Under these circumstances it can be said that ignorance breeds bad art and that an ignorant artist is limited by his or her own lack of exploration. This is why Kanye's RunAway is an example of bad art and furthermore and example of ignorance and arrogance. When entertainers try to produce art or a piece that they would like to be considered art(I am assuming Kanye believes his movie to be art) it is irritating and insulting when they disregard some two thousand years of art and create an overproduced and shallow work that is then consumed by the masses and is considered a beautiful piece of art by those who have never seen and understood a beautiful piece of art that has stood the test of time. The real source of my frustration stems not from Kanye's blunder but from the masses acceptance of it as a groundbreaking work.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. I'm sure I could find 5 relatively un-famous artists on youtube who make him look incompetent. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Oh and it doesn't help that he has an ego the size of the pacific ocean and sub-average intellect. Whether you like it or not and defend him in the OP you can't remove the bias everyone has due to various idiotic things he has done in public.
Do you like fishsticks?
Someone is quite mad here.
Hm, so this talentless, below average intelligence hip hop singer has/still is going to make more money then everyone in this thread combined. Yeah, hes a awful actor and he really cant sing, that doesnt mean you cant make music that people out there like. Just because you dont like him doesnt mean everyone else doesnt like him. Sure he has an ego, but maybe the ego got him to where he is now? making high selling albums and now this interesting 30 min video?
Im not exactly defending him, but saying hes talentless and makes "semi(lol)-interesting imagery" is very narrow minded and is obviously false from his record sales.
hurp durp.
btw, fishticks, thats A SILLY QUESTION SIR WALTER!
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
Unfortunately half of his list is Hip-Pop. The only real people that belong on this list will probably be PE, LL, Grandmaster flash, Pete Rock & CL smooth, and KRS One. The rest are just taken off of another hip hop snob list. Oh, and psst.. K-OS isn't a newer rapper.. the guy has been around for a while now man. If you're gonna be dropping names like Sugarhill gang you gotta realize that K-OS has been around since the 90s. xD To be honest, the best hip hop artists in the game right now are probably Mos Def or Black Thought. I'm not gonna put down anyone who doesn't think so, but they probably just dont understand the content if they don't see them as some of the best that ever lived.
I liked it. There was some parts I didn't like, but overall I've been a fan of Kanye since he surfaced. I will continue to be a fan and his actions in his life will not deter my stance on his music.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
It has always bothered me that there is a relatively high level of ignorance present in our population concerning the subject of Art. First let me state that not all entertainment is art and that not all art is good art. Good, meaning that the piece expresses emotions or ideas in a genuine and somewhat unique fashion. However that is not to say that there are pieces of art that are identical to one and another but to say that when two pieces express the same idea in generally the same way the newer piece will be of less artistic value unless it makes vast improvements over its predecessor. At the very least the newer work should acknowledge the existence of the older piece. Under these circumstances it can be said that ignorance breeds bad art and that an ignorant artist is limited by his or her own lack of exploration. This is why Kanye's RunAway is an example of bad art and furthermore and example of ignorance and arrogance. When entertainers try to produce art or a piece that they would like to be considered art(I am assuming Kanye believes his movie to be art) it is irritating and insulting when they disregard some two thousand years of art and create an overproduced and shallow work that is then consumed by the masses and is considered a beautiful piece of art by those who have never seen and understood a beautiful piece of art that has stood the test of time. The real source of my frustration stems not from Kanye's blunder but from the masses acceptance of it as a groundbreaking work.
It can be said that ignorance breeds bad art interpretation and that an ignorant audience member is limited by his or her own lack of exploration. This is why you are an example of bad art interpretation and furthermore an example of ignorance and arrogance. When an audience member tries to produce a review and creates a pretentious and lofty message that hopes to convert the opinions of the masses, it is irritating and insulting when he or she pretends to be the definitive guide on some two thousand years of art... while somehow being entirely rejected by everyone who actually has influence on the subject of beautiful art that can stand the test of time. The real source of my frustration stems not from your dislike of Kanye but from your frustrated attempts to discredit a modern day artist who has garnered great popuplarity among the people, who I'm assuming the art was for.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
It has always bothered me that there is a relatively high level of ignorance present in our population concerning the subject of Art. First let me state that not all entertainment is art and that not all art is good art. Good, meaning that the piece expresses emotions or ideas in a genuine and somewhat unique fashion. However that is not to say that there are pieces of art that are identical to one and another but to say that when two pieces express the same idea in generally the same way the newer piece will be of less artistic value unless it makes vast improvements over its predecessor. At the very least the newer work should acknowledge the existence of the older piece. Under these circumstances it can be said that ignorance breeds bad art and that an ignorant artist is limited by his or her own lack of exploration. This is why Kanye's RunAway is an example of bad art and furthermore and example of ignorance and arrogance. When entertainers try to produce art or a piece that they would like to be considered art(I am assuming Kanye believes his movie to be art) it is irritating and insulting when they disregard some two thousand years of art and create an overproduced and shallow work that is then consumed by the masses and is considered a beautiful piece of art by those who have never seen and understood a beautiful piece of art that has stood the test of time. The real source of my frustration stems not from Kanye's blunder but from the masses acceptance of it as a groundbreaking work.
It sounds like you've got something personal against Kanye. Claiming he has disregarded two thousand years of art is ludicrous, at best: how did he make anything at all without looking at what came before?
You're judging this film as high art when it is clearly not. Try and lighten up, maybe you won't be so bitter.
Hope I'm not the only one that thought the video was super cheesy and incredibly awkward during the scenes with the bird.
I don't really like hop-hop but I enjoyed the music sans lyrics. I mean like seriously some of the lyrics just made me go "What?" "I sent this bitch a picture of my dick" what?
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
You wanna talk about pretentious? The line starts behind this guy.
You know its okay to like artists like K-os and Kayne right? I happen to love K-os, and I used to have the same close minded hip hop views as people like you. You gotta open up and love this new shit for what it is. Theres shit to love, trust me
It has always bothered me that there is a relatively high level of ignorance present in our population concerning the subject of Art. First let me state that not all entertainment is art and that not all art is good art. Good, meaning that the piece expresses emotions or ideas in a genuine and somewhat unique fashion. However that is not to say that there are pieces of art that are identical to one and another but to say that when two pieces express the same idea in generally the same way the newer piece will be of less artistic value unless it makes vast improvements over its predecessor. At the very least the newer work should acknowledge the existence of the older piece. Under these circumstances it can be said that ignorance breeds bad art and that an ignorant artist is limited by his or her own lack of exploration. This is why Kanye's RunAway is an example of bad art and furthermore and example of ignorance and arrogance. When entertainers try to produce art or a piece that they would like to be considered art(I am assuming Kanye believes his movie to be art) it is irritating and insulting when they disregard some two thousand years of art and create an overproduced and shallow work that is then consumed by the masses and is considered a beautiful piece of art by those who have never seen and understood a beautiful piece of art that has stood the test of time. The real source of my frustration stems not from Kanye's blunder but from the masses acceptance of it as a groundbreaking work.
It sounds like you've got something personal against Kanye. Claiming he has disregarded two thousand years of art is ludicrous, at best: how did he make anything at all without looking at what came before?
You're judging this film as high art when it is clearly not. Try and lighten up, maybe you won't be so bitter.
Please don't lighten up! Stay bitter! I love reading these tirades by people who have attained the level of arrogance necessary to fool themselves into believing that art, or Art , is an objective issue. There is no such thing as good art nor bad art. Shit, 'art,' or 'Art,' isn't even an objective label. I could easily argue that art, or Art, doesn't even exist, just like your imaginary friend. Art is bunk. Philosophy is bunk. Religion is bunk. These subjects are all contained in my new 6-week course, Bunkology 101. I look forward to seeing you all there.
I don't really like hop-hop but I enjoyed the music sans lyrics. I mean like seriously some of the lyrics just made me go "What?" "I sent this bitch a picture of my dick" what?
You don't consider these lyrics artistic? This is romance in it's purest form.
I don't know why people keep citing popularity as an indication of talent. I could take it as disturbing but it's more likely that some people are just not thinking their arguments through. 'The masses' are called as such because most people are shallow minded sheep whose collective opinion is arbitrary and meaningless. You might be thinking that it takes talent simply to fool lots of people into liking you whether there are legitimate reasons to like you or not, and that may be true. But then you're saying that an artist can deserve praise specifically for his appeal to the ignorant.
This seems like an extremely pointed attempt to seem deep, abstract and artistic. Very sad actually. I'd prefer not to give this any more attention.
I'm SO tired of this kinna crap. (Edit: AKA Lady Gaga, perfect example of "other") It's not deep or profound, its just an attempt to seem so to dumb people. And just for the record, I'll point out the obvious that "identifying opposites" is NOT deep. Black/White, Up/Down, Devil/Angel... why does this always get people to think they have meaning? AKA: Bumper stickers with Angel on one side, Devil on other... or songs that say "I hate you, I love you"... ugh... are you fucking kidding me?
This guy is so self indulgent is just begging for attention. I feel dumb for watching most of the video actually expecting that it would have content. Fuck.
Why is this getting so much attention? It is not profound in anyway. Apparently, all it takes to have talent is just to make something different from the norm.
The last good Kanye album was Late Registration. I had big hopes for this album that Kanye would return to his roots, a more traditional hip hop sound. Whatever. If he is making money by putting in mediocre effort making shallow ass music, props to him. He found out how mainstream music works.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
Unfortunately half of his list is Hip-Pop. The only real people that belong on this list will probably be PE, LL, Grandmaster flash, Pete Rock & CL smooth, and KRS One. The rest are just taken off of another hip hop snob list. Oh, and psst.. K-OS isn't a newer rapper.. the guy has been around for a while now man. If you're gonna be dropping names like Sugarhill gang you gotta realize that K-OS has been around since the 90s. xD To be honest, the best hip hop artists in the game right now are probably Mos Def or Black Thought. I'm not gonna put down anyone who doesn't think so, but they probably just dont understand the content if they don't see them as some of the best that ever lived.
p.s. where is madlib?
You are probabIr right. I know mos def and hes great. I hear a lot of people mention black thought but I honestly haven't heard much from him I have to give him a try cause a lot of people say hes the best out right now hands down.Although I put Jay Electronica/Talib Kweli up there as well. I still think ppl like kanye/Jay-Z/Eminem/nas are up there as well. I just disagree completely that hip hop is dead. cause its definitely not.
And to be honest that list is better than that mob deep LL list way up there imo. But like i said diff era for a lot of those guys
On October 26 2010 14:05 gogogadgetflow wrote: That movie was sweet - Greatest thing of that sort I've seen since Interstella 5555 (Animated feature to Daft Punk's Discovery album). Kanye West has made some of my favorite hip-hop and I'm glad to see he's still innovating.
I wouldn't go that far. Interstella 5555 from Daft Punk is and always will be a classic!
Kanye West is good, but I'm not sure about calling his short film on the same level as Interstella 5555.
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
Unfortunately half of his list is Hip-Pop. The only real people that belong on this list will probably be PE, LL, Grandmaster flash, Pete Rock & CL smooth, and KRS One. The rest are just taken off of another hip hop snob list. Oh, and psst.. K-OS isn't a newer rapper.. the guy has been around for a while now man. If you're gonna be dropping names like Sugarhill gang you gotta realize that K-OS has been around since the 90s. xD To be honest, the best hip hop artists in the game right now are probably Mos Def or Black Thought. I'm not gonna put down anyone who doesn't think so, but they probably just dont understand the content if they don't see them as some of the best that ever lived.
p.s. where is madlib?
Fair enough, the list I wrote certainly isn't comprehensive, these are just the first bunch that came to mind when I tried to think of hop-hop artists from the 90's who blow Kanye out of the water (I guess not all of the ones I mentioned are even really "90's artists", but you get what I was going for with my post). Yes, I am aware that K-os has been around since the 90's I shouldn't have said "newer artists" but rather artists with more recent releases. I definitely agree that Mos Def is fantastic, but I haven't really listened to enough Black Thought to form a decent opinion. I'm not trying to be a snob, I just fucking hate mediocre artists who think they are the best thing since sliced bread. I don't see how anyone who has been exposed to a large variety of music/genres can consider him to be so talented. Maybe I'm just so distracted by him being a gigantic idiot that I can't see his music without bias.
On October 26 2010 14:18 Alou wrote: Decent. Not great, but decent.
and those dissing kanye or any artist 1st try to make an album and win something, i really hate that people with no musical skills whatsoever have the idea that they can say something is absolute shit when they have no idea how to make a good song. Much less a good album.
On October 26 2010 14:18 Alou wrote: Decent. Not great, but decent.
and those dissing kanye or any artist 1st try to make an album and win something, i really hate that people with no musical skills whatsoever have the idea that they can say something is absolute shit when they have no idea how to make a good song. Much less a good album.
Thats like saying that just because someone isn't a automotive/mechanical engineer they don't have the right to say a car is a piece of shit. If the car doesn't meet our standards, it doesn't fucking matter what our qualifications are.
On October 26 2010 14:18 Alou wrote: Decent. Not great, but decent.
and those dissing kanye or any artist 1st try to make an album and win something, i really hate that people with no musical skills whatsoever have the idea that they can say something is absolute shit when they have no idea how to make a good song. Much less a good album.
Thats like saying that just because someone isn't a automotive/mechanical engineer they don't have the right to say a car is a piece of shit. If the car doesn't meet our standards, it doesn't fucking matter what our qualifications are.
The problem is people are hating for the wrong reasons, people automatically assume things by what they hear from others. When that happens when those people ever hear that artist they cringe and not even give it a chance, whether their ears would like it or not.
If you have no taste, no opinion, and no interest in music you shouldn't critique it. I know a lot of people think they have their own opinion, but in reality its just not true. A lot of people listen to music to fit into a scene, gain popularity, or just make $$$. Once they can start being true to their likes and dislikes then they should discuss why you think its bad, or just not post at all. It makes no sense to pass judgment on something you don't take the time to judge.
Also all you other "artists" out there are just scared that he's here.
I watched this video a couple days ago... I like the music, but the video seemed a bit... bland to me. Not very insightful or interesting, did not add depth to the music/listening experience.
The acting isn't the best, but the music is awesome. Has anyone else been downloading every song off of G.o.o.d. Fridays? If not, check em out at www.kanyewest.com None of them except for Monster are on the new upcoming album 'My Dark Twisted Fantasy'.
I'm usually a fan of Kanye, my favorite album being graduation, but i thought this video was bad to be honest, none of the tracks where as good as graduation, and the video was pretty random and pretentious, had some good imagery here and there i guess. Meh.
edit: actually the last song was good, but 1 good song doesn't make an album.
A musical and lyrical genius - yes, but more than anything - a master of production. Whenever Kanye's involved, the artistic end product always takes us a bit closer to the sun, albeit sometimes on waxen wings.
I liked the imagery. I liked the music. The message conveyed by the film was fairly simple and certainly overdone, but unless somebody finds me a quote depicting Kanye as putting forth this piece of art (regardless of whether you find it good or bad, it is art) as the next best thing since sliced bread, you are simply making assumptions based on his past actions and behavior.
If you don't like him as an artist, that is perfectly fine. He is still one of the better hip hop artists that's made it far mainstream.
Yes, Jay Elec, K-Os, Lupe, etc are better lyricists. Sure, Dilla, Premier, 9th Wonder, Pete Rock are more experienced beat makers. But I couldn't name you many artists who've dabbled into both at a competent level enough.
On October 26 2010 12:30 Beaudereck wrote: So fucking original, Mozart !
Please don't compare actual musicians to this douchebag. Wasn't all that impressed but I suppose I'm biased against Kanye as a whole. Truth be told, I never really was that big of a fan of Hip Hop and never saw anything unique or groundbreaking about Kanye West. He's just more hyped than others, thats all
I've never taken the time to form much of an opinion at all about Kanye and i openly admit that, in regards to his music. However i did watch more than half of this video and it was atrocious. I also don't agree that the problem is Kanye's view on the video, which to me is undetermined. I just feel the need to make clear to any of his fans retarded enough to not realize it, first that this video, for all its elaborate imagery and expansive though vague suggestion of metaphor, is an attempt at "high art" or at least certainly an attempt to imitate it. Its judgement can't be forgiven as any sort of humble entertainment. Second that it is thus highly pretentious, as it is horribly done and, if the bulk of it has any meaning, it doesn't come across. Whether this was put forward as an actual part of his prideful proper body of work, or just an experimental dabbling in new fields released to the public out of modest openness, the video is what it is. I'd appretiate it if anybody who's been defending Kanye in this argument would admit it.
On October 26 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The music is excellent. Kanye is often sneered at by musical elitists because of his popularity but he is an absolutely brilliant producer and this album looks like it will be his best.
The movie was awesome.
Good producer? Absolutely. That is his background after all. I don't think he's that great of an artist though and most people I know that sneer at him do so because he's an obnoxious douchebag above all else.
Him being a douchebag has nothing to do with how good of an artist he is. And why is he a bad artist btw?
On October 26 2010 13:21 Wr3k wrote: You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
Just made me smile, some people are hard to faze. Can you at least listen to your gourmet music alone somewhere without posting this huge list in every hip-hop thread that is going to come up in the future? Because I feel bad for everyone having to skim through that incredibly annoying post, including myself.
On October 26 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The music is excellent. Kanye is often sneered at by musical elitists because of his popularity but he is an absolutely brilliant producer and this album looks like it will be his best.
The movie was awesome.
Good producer? Absolutely. That is his background after all. I don't think he's that great of an artist though and most people I know that sneer at him do so because he's an obnoxious douchebag above all else.
Him being a douchebag has nothing to do with with how great of an artist he is. And why is he a bad artist btw?
On October 26 2010 13:21 Wr3k wrote: You obviously don't know what real hiphop is.
Maybe try something like:
ATCQ LL Cool J Mobb Deep KRS One Public Enemy Beatnuts Coolio Dre Sugarhill Gang Grandmaster Flash & the furious five Afrika Bambataa Digable planets Pete Rock & CL smooth
Kanye doesn't have shit all on any of these guys. The quality of hip-hop/rap has gone down the toilet since the 90's. There are a still a few good artists making decent music (I think K-os is my favorite of the newer artists, his songwriting makes Kanye look like a 5th grader). Don't even get me started on idiots like Little Wayne...
Just made me smile, some people are hard to faze. Can you at least listen to your gourmet music alone somewhere without posting this huge list in every hip-hop thread that is going to come up in the future? Because I feel bad for everyone having to skim through that incredibly annoying post, including myself.
On October 27 2010 04:51 GabeTheBeast wrote: The acting isn't the best, but the music is awesome. Has anyone else been downloading every song off of G.o.o.d. Fridays? If not, check em out at www.kanyewest.com None of them except for Monster are on the new upcoming album 'My Dark Twisted Fantasy'.
I think Devil in a New Dress will also be on his new album. I'm thinking about pre-ordering it on iTunes but i think i'll wait for a physical cd.
And like most of the people in this threat... Kanye's music has deteriorated since College Dropout. Late Registration and College Dropout were great hip-hop albums with a lot of jazz and soul influences. This new album looks like it will be at least better than Graduation but for a hip-hop album, thats not saying much. I am looking forward for Lasers this coming March. imo... Lupe Fiasco has one of the best flows and rhyming schemes of any rapper ever. He might not be the best rapper ever, but he's more modern so i can connect to his songs more than other rappers like Rakim, Nas, KRS, biggie, big l, and so forth who rapped about topics in my childhood that didn't really affect me.
On October 27 2010 07:01 Teivospylol wrote: judging from the randomness of this video I figure kanye is going to be the male version of lady gaga eventually
On October 27 2010 06:58 Thrill wrote: A musical and lyrical genius - yes, but more than anything - a master of production. Whenever Kanye's involved, the artistic end product always takes us a bit closer to the sun, albeit sometimes on waxen wings.
LOL. I liked the music. Good stuff. The video was like whatever. I got bored and just kept the music running in the background. I believe it's what any sensible person would do. Angel girl was terrible, made me mad.
Ok, after finishing, I decided it sucks actually. Intro was the best.
The video is of course well produced. The music is fantastic but yeah... the movie fucking blows. I like the eyecandy but other than that I definitely would not watch it again.
Now, if you want a music video that actually has some depth to it M.I.A.'s latest work is where you should look. It's also an actual short film (Much shorter though at only 9 minutes). It's actually mindblowingly good.
On October 26 2010 16:53 cursor wrote: This seems like an extremely pointed attempt to seem deep, abstract and artistic. Very sad actually. I'd prefer not to give this any more attention.
I'm SO tired of this kinna crap. (Edit: AKA Lady Gaga, perfect example of "other") It's not deep or profound, its just an attempt to seem so to dumb people. And just for the record, I'll point out the obvious that "identifying opposites" is NOT deep. Black/White, Up/Down, Devil/Angel... why does this always get people to think they have meaning? AKA: Bumper stickers with Angel on one side, Devil on other... or songs that say "I hate you, I love you"... ugh... are you fucking kidding me?
This guy is so self indulgent is just begging for attention. I feel dumb for watching most of the video actually expecting that it would have content. Fuck.
God, thank you for your post. Was waiting for one rational voice. Man, humanity might have a chance. Seriously. You nailed my thoughts exactly.
I watched this and liked the imagery in it. It's got a nice vibrant feel from a production standpoint.
Before I actually 'watched' it though, I had it playing through my sc2ing and realized that some of the songs are pretty badass.
Does anyone know if kanye has them out for downloads or anything? I heard he does to promote his albums. If so, please pm me the link or something Thanks!
On October 26 2010 12:26 zobz wrote: This seems ridiculously pretentious. Any talentless moron with a budget, and somehow passion enough to come up with this many bad ideas could make this. To the dancers and special effects artists, i don't really care. Obviously just people desperate for work or owing someone a favour, not contributing anything to the overall artistic merit of the movie. I did not watch the whole thing.
I wholeheartedly agree, just because you can throw together some semi-interesting imagery with some decent audio production doesn't mean you have any talent. I never liked any of his music in the first place, and I don't like him either. People give this guy way too much credit, there so many incredibly talented people when it comes to songwriting, producing and directing who make him look mediocre at best. On the plus side the super hot model dressed as a bird was fun to look at for a while.
Do you like fishsticks?
You lost me here.
I agree the movie isnt the most magnificent 30 min I've ever layed eyes on, but theres no arguing his music. You can not like " hip hop " all day and thats fine. But if you enjoy this type of music then Kanye cannot be passed up.
I wrote a really long post about why people don't like kanye west but it got erased because I was logged out so.
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
No one can deny that Kanye is one of the best if not the best producer in the game right now. His beats are almost always 100% on point - they're the kind of beat that you can picture any rapper killing it. The film was definitely interesting - there were actually alot of art-film allusions in it which is pretty satisfying for a film major to see in pop culture. I don't really see where all this criticism is coming from- everyone seems to be calling Kanye a douchebag or pretentious... I don't really see how thats a critism against his music video. Its overall well shot, lots of interesting composition, costuming and allusions. Kanye may not be the best lyrsist in the world but he's alot smarter than most people give him credit for. Also I can't help but laugh at the ubiquitous 90s hip hop afficonadoes (almost definitely white teenagers) trumpeting stuff like Public Enemy... most 90s hip hop, when you actually get down to it, sounds like stuff I'd make up freestyling baked in Math Class the tenth grade.... what Kanye is doing is much more earnest and sophisticated in the long run.
On October 30 2010 06:24 sickoota wrote:Also I can't help but laugh at the ubiquitous 90s hip hop afficonadoes (almost definitely white teenagers) trumpeting stuff like Public Enemy... most 90s hip hop, when you actually get down to it, sounds like stuff I'd make up freestyling baked in Math Class the tenth grade.... what Kanye is doing is much more earnest and sophisticated in the long run.
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
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You do know most producers go crate digging to find inspiration for their beats?
If you're going to hate on a DJ/Producer for using pieces of other artists, then you might as well not listen to hip-hop at all.
A nice series on the subject:
Now I personally don't even care about what he does in his free time, so I'll just keep enjoying his music.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
Summary: His lyrics completely ruin any chance of enjoying his decent beats most of which are derived from other artists (mozart, daft punk, king crimson et cetera). Additionally his constant attitudes about himself being both genius revolutionary and a misunderstood martyr make it hard for anyone with humility to enjoy his songs.
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You do know most producers go crate digging to find inspiration for their beats?
If you're going to hate on a DJ/Producer for using pieces of other artists, then you might as well not listen to hip-hop at all.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
So basically you haven't listened to a single album of his other than Heartbreak.
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy doesn't seem to have much autotune if any, if you just took the time to watch his film.
Bumping this thread. MBDTF has been out for a while and it's absolutely brilliant.
Pitchfork gave it a 10 out of 10. Not a 10 for me (I still think Sir Luscious Left Foot was better) but it's an amazing album. Without a doubt the best production I've ever heard on a hip-hop record. Very little auto-tuning, great use of other features artists, the whole album just has a very "big" and "epic" sound. It seems like a lot of hip-hop/r&b inspired pop music is heading in that direction (see: Janelle Monae's Arch-Android) and I don't have a problem with it at all.
if you're a fan of Kanye's music, or just Good Music
LOL! First laugh I had all day! If you're into that voice changing shit on EVERY. SONG. on the entire album, go with Kanye... Otherwise you better stay WELL clear of that shite...
You're like the 5th person in this thread who doesn't know that Good Music is the record label name...
On November 23 2010 07:55 LaLLsc2 wrote: I purchased it this morning. Amazing album. Kanye hasn't fallen off yet my friends.
He's picked up in the last year. Easily been taking over my playlist.
On November 23 2010 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bumping this thread. MBDTF has been out for a while and it's absolutely brilliant.
Pitchfork gave it a 10 out of 10. Not a 10 for me (I still think Sir Luscious Left Foot was better) but it's an amazing album. Without a doubt the best production I've ever heard on a hip-hop record. Very little auto-tuning, great use of other features artists, the whole album just has a very "big" and "epic" sound. It seems like a lot of hip-hop/r&b inspired pop music is heading in that direction (see: Janelle Monae's Arch-Android) and I don't have a problem with it at all.
Even Elton John lays it down on this record :o
Was he in the final cut of All of the Lights? Song below because it's awesome:
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is actually hip hop. It's like a breathe in the soulja boy, waka flocka flame, tyga, and all of those other gimmicky punchline rappers. Kanye, is like Durian fruit, smells like shit but sweet as hell but instead, bigass douchebag that can make some good songs.
I just don't get it... Did I miss something what is up with all the Kanye hype? He sounds just like every other hip hop artist out there. Can't play instruments, same simple catchy 4/4 beat (sometimes mixing it up a little with gallops), no thought-provoking lyrics, and can't sing that great(fucking auto-tune ruins everything). Now I don't have anything personal against Kanye but he kind of acts like a d-bag.
On November 23 2010 08:06 shwaffles wrote: I just don't get it... Did I miss something what is up with all the Kanye hype? He sounds just like every other hip hop artist out there. Can't play instruments, same simple catchy 4/4 beat (sometimes mixing it up a little with gallops), no thought-provoking lyrics, and can't sing that great(fucking auto-tune ruins everything). Now I don't have anything personal against Kanye but he kind of acts like a d-bag.
I agree with you. Nothing special and he made a film, so what, Taylor Swift was in a film too. Effing Olsen twins make movies... Hell I was in a film once too. He's just a braggart.
I wish I felt more comfortable being a Kayne West fan, but after he said he rather see 10 dead babies, than have a white man at his concert. I don't know.
On November 23 2010 08:06 shwaffles wrote: I just don't get it... Did I miss something what is up with all the Kanye hype? He sounds just like every other hip hop artist out there. Can't play instruments, same simple catchy 4/4 beat (sometimes mixing it up a little with gallops), no thought-provoking lyrics, and can't sing that great(fucking auto-tune ruins everything). Now I don't have anything personal against Kanye but he kind of acts like a d-bag.
Sounds like your problem is with the genre of hip-hop and not Kanye in general.
I would ask for a refund from Delta and I like some of his music but he is an annoying conceded individual who lacks the intelligence to see other peoples point of view. It's like he is socially autistic.
On November 23 2010 08:06 shwaffles wrote: I just don't get it... Did I miss something what is up with all the Kanye hype? He sounds just like every other hip hop artist out there. Can't play instruments, same simple catchy 4/4 beat (sometimes mixing it up a little with gallops), no thought-provoking lyrics, and can't sing that great(fucking auto-tune ruins everything). Now I don't have anything personal against Kanye but he kind of acts like a d-bag.
Sounds like your problem is with the genre of hip-hop and not Kanye in general.
The only problem I have with hip hop music is that it's shoved down my throat. People on the train blasting their iPods, the rabid 12-year olds that infect music forums I just don't bother with it anymore, and most of all those assholes who feel they need to open all their car windows and crank the volume as loud as possible.
I won't even waste the time it'd take to write out an entire rant about what an egotistic piece of crap Kayne and the industry/culture he represents are. It's just not worth the time.
the new album has some really great tracks. dark fantasy in particular is fantastic. 'can we get much higher? so high. oh oh oh ohhhh'.. the chorus is beautiful. ill take my time getting through the rest of the album.
im not really sure that it's worth the huge reviews it's getting but im digging it regardless
Was indifferent to him until crapped all over and ruined Daft Punk's Harder Better Faster Stronger, even if Daft Punk got a crapton of money. Video had a couple of decent things, colour adjusted opening scene, cool costume on the lady and uh thats mostly it.
Kinda funny that Daft Punk of all people are on the December issue
edit: To the guy below, it was more like a bad cover than a sample. Sampling is great. And I never cared for his music before, it sounds ok at times but overall I just dislike most of it, that he did a cover I didn't like made me dislike him more. I think continuing to make songs I don't like is a reason to dislike someone more. Isn't he the guy that is a dickhead at every other music award as well? Don't know if he is, I'd dislike him for that too :p
Some people will just never like Kanye. I for one loved the album. It's got a mixture of everything, and it's very emotional. I especially love lost in the world. Good for him to include Bon Iver in the album
I concede that Kanye is really good at putting together beats, however his problem is that his inflated ego leads him to do other things which he is not at all good at, and that makes the overall quallity of his art much worse. You can't listen to rap and ignore the lyrics because the beat is good. It has to be all around good, or else the good and the bad cancel each other out imo. Now I even think that his beats are probably a fair amount more good than his lyrics are bad, and that makes his music more than listenable, however now he's made a video. I mean not he's made a good beat, laced it with shitty lyrics and then put out a video by good video directors/producers of his choice. No, he has to do everything himself, because he has no idea how untalented he is in all but one field, and so he wrote the lyrics, and directed and produced a freaking video by himself. And it's terrible. The bad far outweighs the good this time and I wish some more Kanye fans would admit it.
Integrity does not mean taking your artistic vision into your own hands on every single point of it, regardless of your own abilities. It means either limitting yourself to what you are able to do or collaborating. Not everybody can be Clint Eastwood. And you don't get points for trying.
On November 23 2010 08:31 DROPPINBOMBS wrote: I wish I felt more comfortable being a Kayne West fan, but after he said he rather see 10 dead babies, than have a white man at his concert. I don't know.
On November 23 2010 08:31 DROPPINBOMBS wrote: I wish I felt more comfortable being a Kayne West fan, but after he said he rather see 10 dead babies, than have a white man at his concert. I don't know.
This was about as witty as your username
Did he actually say that? The first 5 results of my non-commital google search say no.
On November 23 2010 09:09 zobz wrote: I concede that Kanye is really good at putting together beats, however his problem is that his inflated ego leads him to do other things which he is not at all good at, and that makes the overall quallity of his art much worse. You can't listen to rap and ignore the lyrics because the beat is good. It has to be all around good, or else the good and the bad cancel each other out imo. Now I even think that his beats are probably a fair amount more good than his lyrics are bad, and that makes his music more than listenable, however now he's made a video. I mean not he's made a good beat, laced it with shitty lyrics and then put out a video by good video directors/producers of his choice. No, he has to do everything himself, because he has no idea how untalented he is in all but one field, and so he wrote the lyrics, and directed and produced a freaking video by himself. And it's terrible. The bad far outweighs the good this time and I wish some more Kanye fans would admit it.
Integrity does not mean taking your artistic vision into your own hands on every single point of it, regardless of your own abilities. It means either limitting yourself to what you are able to do or collaborating. Not everybody can be Clint Eastwood. And you don't get points for trying.
Well, thats just like... your opinion man
but seriously if I were a huge musician like Kanye why wouldn't you want to spread around all genres? That's like saying you can only be good at one thing and NEVER try, never try to expand yourself.
And WTF do you want with lyrics? you want to get your mind blown, or do you want him to lie and say he thinks he's just another average person?
If someone told you don't play BW/SC2 you are untalented would you stop? If someone told IdrA you're so predictable/untalented I can beat you whenever would IdrA stop playing?
Sure the movie may have not been a top 10 list movie and has some cheesy scenes but does that make it so bad?
I wish you people would stop using his ego as an excuse, we all know its big, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with his musical ability.
On October 26 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The music is excellent. Kanye is often sneered at by musical elitists because of his popularity but he is an absolutely brilliant producer and this album looks like it will be his best.
The movie was awesome.
actually, i find quite the opposite. he's one of the popular artist that no matter what genre of musical interest people usually at least respect him as an artist.
Now we all know Kanye is the voice of the generation and whatnot, but there's an important question that's on everyone's minds that remains to be answered: is he better than Mozart?
Fortunately, the National Post has decided to help us answer this question:
I am a long time listener to classical music and I've been heavily involved in all sorts of art. I don't think this video can be classified as anything artistic, but it's a step in the right direction. The themes presented are quite simple and colloquial. The producer attempted to play around with color schemes a bit, but to very little effect. I can't comment much on the music since it wasn't to my tastes. In Starcraft terms, I guess you can say that they tried to imitate a build that the pros do, but due to them being in platinum, they couldn't pull it off. Despite all this, I'm still happy that modern age musicians are looking towards this type of thing.
I don't see what's so good with this song and film, think it reaaally sucks, no really impressive lyrics or something, meh. If you should make a 20min+ song it should be a masterpiece, this isn't.
On November 24 2010 11:49 Chairman Ray wrote: I am a long time listener to classical music and I've been heavily involved in all sorts of art. I don't think this video can be classified as anything artistic, but it's a step in the right direction. The themes presented are quite simple and colloquial. The producer attempted to play around with color schemes a bit, but to very little effect. I can't comment much on the music since it wasn't to my tastes. In Starcraft terms, I guess you can say that they tried to imitate a build that the pros do, but due to them being in platinum, they couldn't pull it off. Despite all this, I'm still happy that modern age musicians are looking towards this type of thing.
best said here. In a time where Ke"$"ha and Lil' Wayne surround the mainwaves, people just think of something like this as being such an artsy fartsy film. It isn't at all, and it doesn't even really make sense except for the fact that he is trying to explain his life a little better and all the criticisms he goes through. Also, he says that he was trying to use different colors to express meanings in an interview he had, but he never really explained what the colors did.. they are kind of just there.
but I love Kanye and his music, so obviously I buy into anything he says and will keep supporting him no matter how crazy the duder gets.
I hate the way kayne takes a great song, takes the part which everyone knows from that song and then does some shitty rap around it and calls it his own song.
The reason most people like his stuff is because the original songs he 'samples' are great, without them he would be nothing.
couldnt get mroe then afew minutes into this, probably because of my already bias opinion.
jesus christ. everything this idiot does irritates me. he tries his hardest to come off as an extraordinary artist, but fails massively. everytime i see him on tv, or hear him on the radio i get a massive migrain.
if i were to pick a mainstream artist, it'd have to be lil' wayne over this fag, because his lyrics at least give some stimulation. kanye just spews tons and tons of shitty lyrics at you, its deafening.
It's funny how people blame his lyrics or his talent or whatever else and compare him to some abstract rappers from early 90s. All that peacocking literally amounts for nothing, it doesn't matter how deep GZA was or how real Nas used to sound.
All of this is a stupid and useless rhetoric that has little to nothing to do with contemporary music. I'm not going to spin Tupac and Dre on everyday basis, if you do - big props, be a true degenerate and stay like that. Many of Kanyes joints can be classified as pop music, so what? Why does every pissy forum critic has to leave a salty comment how he doesn't rep "real" hip-hop?
You know how some people can make a simple speech sound great? They can pick up your piece of shit essay, skim through it while making a few corrections and read it out loud, the way that makes your stomach tingle and covers your skin with goosebumps. Kanye has this talent. He doesn't need to sing about intestines or rhyme like an insane college dropout on meth. His talent is different - his shit just sounds good, he feels it. So enjoy it for what it's worth.
On November 24 2010 12:31 Whitesheep wrote: jesus christ. everything this idiot does irritates me. he tries his hardest to come off as an extraordinary artist, but fails massively. everytime i see him on tv, or hear him on the radio i get a massive migrain.
if i were to pick a mainstream artist, it'd have to be lil' wayne over this fag, because his lyrics at least give some stimulation. kanye just spews tons and tons of shitty lyrics at you, its deafening.
Great post doesnt the OP say not to flame kanye etc... you do the exact opposite of that.=
Btw, everyone trying to shit up this thread needs to post 2 of his favorite hip-hop artists at the end of his post, just so that people get to rip through them in return.
On November 24 2010 12:31 calcarus wrote: I hate the way kayne takes a great song, takes the part which everyone knows from that song and then does some shitty rap around it and calls it his own song.
The reason most people like his stuff is because the original songs he 'samples' are great, without them he would be nothing.
couldnt get mroe then afew minutes into this, probably because of my already bias opinion.
Are you one of those 14 year olds who so valiantly defend daft punk. Because I have never heard of anything they ever did before they got sampled.
On November 24 2010 12:31 calcarus wrote: I hate the way kayne takes a great song, takes the part which everyone knows from that song and then does some shitty rap around it and calls it his own song.
The reason most people like his stuff is because the original songs he 'samples' are great, without them he would be nothing.
couldnt get mroe then afew minutes into this, probably because of my already bias opinion.
what songs? Because if you're talking about Stronger, Daft Punk uses samples too in their music O_o.
On November 23 2010 09:09 zobz wrote: I concede that Kanye is really good at putting together beats, however his problem is that his inflated ego leads him to do other things which he is not at all good at, and that makes the overall quallity of his art much worse. You can't listen to rap and ignore the lyrics because the beat is good. It has to be all around good, or else the good and the bad cancel each other out imo. Now I even think that his beats are probably a fair amount more good than his lyrics are bad, and that makes his music more than listenable, however now he's made a video. I mean not he's made a good beat, laced it with shitty lyrics and then put out a video by good video directors/producers of his choice. No, he has to do everything himself, because he has no idea how untalented he is in all but one field, and so he wrote the lyrics, and directed and produced a freaking video by himself. And it's terrible. The bad far outweighs the good this time and I wish some more Kanye fans would admit it.
Integrity does not mean taking your artistic vision into your own hands on every single point of it, regardless of your own abilities. It means either limitting yourself to what you are able to do or collaborating. Not everybody can be Clint Eastwood. And you don't get points for trying.
Well, thats just like... your opinion man
but seriously if I were a huge musician like Kanye why wouldn't you want to spread around all genres? That's like saying you can only be good at one thing and NEVER try, never try to expand yourself.
And WTF do you want with lyrics? you want to get your mind blown, or do you want him to lie and say he thinks he's just another average person?
If someone told you don't play BW/SC2 you are untalented would you stop? If someone told IdrA you're so predictable/untalented I can beat you whenever would IdrA stop playing?
Sure the movie may have not been a top 10 list movie and has some cheesy scenes but does that make it so bad?
I wish you people would stop using his ego as an excuse, we all know its big, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with his musical ability.
Of course it's my opinion but i happen to take pride in my opinions, and there's nothing wrong with pride nor is there anything about opinions which makes them an inherently silly object of it.
I don't believe that just because you're not good at something that means you shouldn't do it. The point that matters is that you don't get credit for trying. What i'm saying is that whatever may be true about what he IS good at, and whatever his rights to pursue whatever he wishes to, if he releases anything to the public which sucks as badly as that video does he deserves his criticism. And that there are so many people who are actually impressed by that piece of shit just because Kanye made it, even though that's not something that he's good at, is a plain atrocity. I mean the way people look at the art, products of a secondary or even tertiary field of talent, of revered public figures is akin to the judgement i expect to receive on my own art from my mom. "Oh it's just lovely Kanye! You can do anything you set your mind to!"
I bought the CD last monday and it is the best hip hop album I've heard since the Eminem Show. That is my OWN opinion. Kanye can't rap as well as Jay-Z or flow with crazy like Lupe Fiasco. He just makes raps that sound good. The beats are just amazing on this album. It's probably the best produced rap album i've ever heard in my entire life. I'm entitled to my opinion. Lots of people hate kanye, I don't. I may not respect his actions like calling Bush a racist or embarrasing Taylor Swift, but I don't hate him. He hasn't hurt me, all he's done is give me some good rap music in the ocean of shit that is on the radio (wayne, soulja boy, gucci mane, waka flocka flame, 50 cent,... the list goes on and includes all those 16 yr old kids on youtube who think they can rap).
And to all those who hate producers like Kanye who sample their beats, many producers do that regardless. All music is notes played in procession at different intervals, tempo, length and velocity. So many songs today are just copies of other riffs or progressions created perhaps decades or centuries ago but just played by a different instrument to make it sound completely diffrent. a C,D,G riff with a heavily distorted electric guitar sounds WAYY different from a soothing Cello but in the end, its the same notes in a diff speed and velocity. It's basically sampling and thats what many producers do. They use something they hear and they change it because they see the potential in that piece of music.
Now for autotune, I hate it. But on the other hand, vocoder has potential given time.. But in the end, if you compare voice to guitar, they are both acoustic. Bob Dylan was heavily criticized when he first used an Electric Guitar. A person's voice could be sent through a vocoder and create new sound just as an Electric guitar can create new sound out of the 6 strings. Given time, vocoder has potential to change people's voice. Vocoder =/= Autotune. Vocoder doesn't change the pitch just allows a person's voice to sound electricy or whatever sound you'd like.
And so people can hate my 2 favorite rappers excluding Kanye: Lupe Fiasco Big L
The new album is absolutely amazing. Kanye isn't a rapper you go to for amazing lyrics and wordplay. If you want wordplay and puns you go to Jay-Z or Lupe, but if you want great MUSIC and entertaining, funny, and creative lyrics you need a little Kanye in your life. He's really on top of his game production wise. I don't think anyone is at his level right now when it comes to producing, and his writing is really getting better and better.
I've always been a fan, and like a lot of people I wasn't too happy with 808's but after listening again and again I realized it's actually a great album. Different but still really good. I don't think anyone who's a serious fan of music can count Yeezy out. The new album combines everything great he came up with in all his previous records and the result is really a masterpiece. I mean just look at what the critics say, even though I don't decide on what music to listen to based on critics, it's still interesting to see: Metacritic. I think it's the highest or second highest rated album ever. Pretty great stuff.
Dude 808's took a while to get used to but I loved it after a while man. I don't give a fuck if he uses autotune and all that the songs are all really good.
Autotune is all in how you use it. When you use it in every lyric everywhere just to make you sound 'good' (T-Pain) then it's shit, but when you use it creatively and in interesting ways you can really make some amazing music. My favorite example is the Bon Iver song 'Woods'
Funny enough Kanye samples this song in his new album on 'Lost In The World', proving again that the man knows great music! So yeah the fact that he uses autotune in 808's doesn't matter as long as it's used right, and I think it is.
On November 24 2010 12:31 calcarus wrote: I hate the way kayne takes a great song, takes the part which everyone knows from that song and then does some shitty rap around it and calls it his own song.
The reason most people like his stuff is because the original songs he 'samples' are great, without them he would be nothing.
couldnt get mroe then afew minutes into this, probably because of my already bias opinion.
Are you one of those 14 year olds who so valiantly defend daft punk. Because I have never heard of anything they ever did before they got sampled.
EDIT: LOL at whitesheep picking Wayne over Kanye
If you're talking about never hearing of Daft Punk before Kanye sampled them, then I say your music knowledge was probably very narrow and limited, in which case that's probably the reason. If you're saying you never heard of them until they were sampled for the first time then ok.
I just flipped through it and thought "what the fuck?" I'm clearly missing the context because I'm not a fan of Kanye at all, but the whole phoenix girl thing seems pretty weird at a glance...
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