On September 20 2010 00:31 WARHertz wrote: The Nony ones were totally failed, noo is same as noh, you wanna use new, and people pronounce it tie-ler not tayler
Its ih-dra like idiot
Noo is not the same as noh, as you can quite plainly see. One of them is noo. The other is noh. Anyway, if you go look up the word "new" on dictionary.com you will see the pronunciation guide says [noo]. I suppose I could give the IPA pronunciation guide but no one knows how to read those. I suppose I also could just make up what I think the most sensible pronunciation guide is for each word, but the dictionary.com method seems both sensible and consistent to me. If you don't know how "oo" should be pronounced, well, now you do. Congratulations, you just learned something.
Tyler is pronounced [tahy-lur] (first syllable like the word tie [tahy], second syllable like the work lurk [lurk], but without a k.) It's a joke. Because of Liquid`Nony aka Liquid`Tyler. If you don't get it just skip it.
On September 20 2010 00:52 EchOne wrote: Thanks for this! You cover a lot of common, bothersome mispronunciations. I wasn't aware Tyler could ever be pronounced that way, though. I hope you can back up the veracity of your claim.
Also, I don't see how claiming that many native English speakers are practically illiterate is relevant to rampant mispronunciation. Literacy has nothing to do with speech; it is the faculty to communicate via the written word, not the spoken.
Tyler is pronounced [tahy-lur] (first syllable like the word tie [tahy], second syllable like the work lurk [lurk], but without a k.) It's a joke. Because of Liquid`Nony aka Liquid`Tyler. If you don't get it just skip it.
"Illiterate" doesn't just mean "lacks the specific ability to read written text." I used it correctly. You are making incorrect simplifying assumptions. Also, clearly people that read a lot tend to have a better command of language than those that don't.
On September 19 2010 23:42 skuj wrote: for some of these ive never heard the supposed common mispronunciation. this kind of reminds me of in which he even mentions centrifugal
Stressing the wrong syllable of centrifugal is exceptionally common on both sides of the Atlantic. Just because a comedian makes funny jokes about something doesn't make it true. There is actually a correct way to say the word, his "British" pronunciation is not one of them.
On September 20 2010 01:03 Aeres wrote: Prelude Pronounced: [PREL-yood] Commonly mispronounced: [PRAY-lood] From: For lack of a better example, Ocarina of Time
I approve of this topic. Coincidentally, I've been reading a certain book lately + Show Spoiler +
and it's really enlightened me on how little I actually know English. I'd give it a read if you find it. (I don't mean to advertise, but it is relevant to the topic.)
Both [prel-yood] and [prey-lood] are acceptable pronunciations of prelude. The one that you prefer is actually less common in the United States, and sounds a bit like the person is putting on airs.
On September 20 2010 01:59 Metalwing wrote: if Nony is not [noh-nee] and Tyler is not [Tahy-lur], fuck their correct pronounciations.
Attention, those two (and only those two) were jokes. Everyone knows how to pronounce Tyler. Nony isn't a word, pronounce it however Nony himself pronounces it.
Melee Pronounced: [mey-ley] Commonly mispronounced: [muh-lee], [mee-lee] From: Lots of games Contributed by SUSUGAM.
I've heard British and Aussie players say "centrifyoogal" and "muh-LEE", it's just a dialect issue and not wrong as long as you're not transposing dialects.
Americans mispronounce both those words in precisely those ways as well. It's not dialect. It's mispronunciation.
On September 20 2010 01:50 keV. wrote: Good thread, though I think it has a more "You're dumb" vibe as opposed to a "Do better" feel.
I always try and pronounce things correctly. My mom always had a massive vocabulary that I envied and messing up a word in front of her always led to embarrassment.
I'm a little surprised by aegis. The etymology, if you will of "ae" is confusing. Blame the vikings.
The word stems from Greek, the vikings aren't to blame for that one...
Yes it does. The vikings are to blame because they pronounce/use it completely different...
On September 20 2010 02:47 SiguR wrote: A number of "proper pronounciations" in the OP are wrong.
And i'm not referring to the nony/tyler inside jokes. For example, If you want maelstrom pronounced as maelstrum, put the accent over the o. Maelstrom without the accent is pronounced mayl-strohm..
A few of the others ones are off as well, and some come down to dialect.
This may come as a surprise to you, but maelstrom is an English word, and has a correct English pronunciation. The pronunciation I gave is the correct one. If maelstrom is also a word in another language, and it has a different pronunciation in that language, that's fascinating but irrelevant.
The examples I've given so far do not boil down to differences in dialect. People that speak all dominant English dialects mispronounce them.
sen-tri-fyoo-guhl is OK according to dictionary.com
No it's not. [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] ≠ [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl], as would be plain to any idiot but you, as they ... (wait for it) ... aren't the same.
But on the other hand, I don't know how you can be so uptight about this that you actually bothered to make a post trying to correct everyone and prove how wrong they are, and how right you are.
Some people don't like sounding like idiots (you aren't one of them), and would correct themselves if they knew they were making a mistake. My post is for them.
You are aware that people from England, you know where English was created pronounce sen-tri-fyoo-guhl the right way.
I am aware that most people on either side of the Atlantic pronounce centrifugal incorrectly, including you.
Pronunciations vary from region to region. CentriFUgal is how everyone pronounces it around my region. It may be different where you live, but again don't tell people what is the proper way to pronounce things.
I am aware of the concept of regional accents. It's also exceptionally common for everyone that speaks with a particular accent to mispronounce a particular word. (It could even be argued that that particular word is correctly pronounced differently in that regional accent.) However, there do exist a few dominant accents (namely the neutral midwestern American accent and the received pronunciation British accent) that are generally accepted as being "correct" in a more substantial sense. Namely, they are the best accents to use for intelligible communication, they are taught in school, taught to foreigners, used by most people in the media, used by most actors not speaking in dialect, etc.
You, like most people, are looking for reasons not to learn. Maybe some day you'll take the blinders off. When you are ready, this thread will still be here.
On September 20 2010 03:08 Slivered Skin wrote: I'm going to leave these two links here, as I had problems with what you were saying in both cases. Please note that I really am trying to be polite, and I do not wish to attack you in any manner, shape or form. It is possible that I am wrong, but I thought I'd at least check out some other online dictionaries to see what they thought.
The pronunciations of aegis are so close they probably sound identical to most people. Neither of them is closer to [ey-jis] than they are to [ee-jis], and the main source of error in that word is people using a hard g instead of a soft g.
As for centrifugal, I will admit it appears some dictionaries have given in and added an exceptionally common mispronunciation to their lists. If you want to go on saying it that way, just be aware that educated people on both sides of the Atlantic may assume your language skills aren't up to snuff.
More than a good thread (as many have mentioned).. I only see Internet elitism in its full glory.
Nevermind the first post which (hopefully) was made with good intentions, the continuous bashing on anyone that disagreed, calling them idiots, uneducated or some such goes a long way to show what went on in the OP's mind when he replied to the thread.
Sc2 commentators are mis-pronouncing Sc2 Terms. In an attempt to rectify the crisis, Chex Mix has suggested that we all record their mistakes and return to this thread where we can correct them by substituting them into a dictionary-like format.
Our next hot topic coming up:
How to waste your time: We interview Chex Mix to find out more.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Aegis Pronounced: [ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ey-guhs], [ey-jis]
Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Centrifugal Pronounced: [sen-trif-uh-guhl], [sen-trif-yuh-guhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri-fyoo-guhl]
Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto.
Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Maelstrom Pronounced: [meyl-struhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm]
Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa.
Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience.
Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually "MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Visage Pronounced: [viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi-soj]
The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word.
On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote: Zealot Pronounced: [zel-uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming!
"Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct.
Just a little reminder:
Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct.
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
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this post saved me. Here I was thinking that my pronunciation was all wrong and this guy basically saved me.
Basically everything in that post was either blatantly incorrect, grossly misguided, completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, or, more often than not, all three. The only reason I am not responding to his post is because Mani told me to play nice, and I'd just go off on him if I did.
Anyway, if having an idiot tell you you don't need to learn proper English has saved you, then so be it. If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and just learn the correct way to pronounce things.
Or you could exercise some self-control and respond to his post WITHOUT going off at him. Until then your credibility is on the line.
If you want anyone that's educated to think that you, too, might be educated, well, you should get your head out of the sand and show us why you are right. Otherwise you too could just be spouting misinformation.
Good post. Chex Mix you need to explain yourself like Zoroth. As far as I can tell you expect people to take your information as the set-in-stone standard. Zoroth gave some reason as too why you're wrong and you need to either: shut up, or explain your argument. You're just a glorified troll right now.
It’s always exceptionally painful to dismantle poorly constructed and illogical arguments, for a number of reasons. One of them is that you know whoever you are correcting will ignore you and continue to believe whatever they want to believe, because they aren’t capable of rational thought. It’s like trying to argue the evidence for evolution with a religious fundamentalist.
Another reason is the nagging feeling that anyone else who can’t instantly see the really obvious holes in someone else’s argument just isn’t worth the time to enlighten. Their problem isn’t that they might be misinformed about a few things and just need to learn. Their problem is that they refuse to think critically, have lived their entire lives just believing the first thing they are told about anything, and have virtually zero capacity for true learning. Again I find myself wondering, why bother?
MadVillain, you say I need to “explain myself like Zoroth,” when in fact everything I’ve said I’ve backed up with legitimate reasoning and links to a reputable source supporting my claims. As opposed Zoroth who just says blatantly incorrect things without citation, but apparently people think he’s credible because he says “WRONG!” with an exclamation point.
For example, he talks about the “Latin pronunciation” of “aegis.” Aegis is not a Latin word. You will find it in no Latin dictionaries. Our English word aegis certainly has its roots in a Latin word (though it comes to us most recently from Greek, not Latin.) Our English word also has an accepted English pronunciation, and even if “aegis” were a Latin word (and I remind you that it’s not), the Latin pronunciation would hardly be relevant.
He then goes on to make the laughable claim that “maelstorm” is a word “likely invented by Blizzard.” (This is hilarious because that means he has been misreading maelstrom in every Blizzard game in which he’s seen it. It’s possible Blizzard has typoed maelstrom somewhere, but I can’t remember them doing so.) Anyway, do you really need me to tell you “maelstorm” is in no Earthly dictionary? “Maelstorm” is a common misspelling/mispronunciation because most people don’t read words letter by letter, and “strom” is much less common in English than “storm,” so a lot of people mistakenly see “storm” at the end of “maelstrom.” The fact that you can call a storm a maelstrom certainly doesn’t help!
And Zoroth’s “draconic” and “absolute correct” pronunciation for maelstrom? The only place it’s correct is in his head. He makes a lot of irrelevant digressions into how [meyl] is an anglicized corruption of æ and in whatever (presumably Nordic) language (that he never specifies) æ is pronounced differently … blah blah blah. Maelstrom is an English word with an accepted English pronunciation, correctly given by me in the original post, with a link to a reputable dictionary supporting my claim.
He then continues with a puzzling discussion of zeal and zealot. He appears to be arguing (“reminding me”) that zealot could be pronounced [zeel-awt] because of the way zeal is pronounced? It’s hard to pin down exactly what he’s trying to say there because his argumentation is so incoherent. I’m pretty sure he’s saying [zeel-awt] is ok, but [zel-uht] is ok, too. Well, he’s right about [zel-uht] being ok. It’s more than ok, it’s the only correct pronunciation. Whatever else he’s trying to say in that paragraph is wrong.
As for his final paragraph, I don’t even know what “internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism” is supposed to mean. They are certainly easy enough to verify, and in almost every case all the reputable internet dictionaries (as well as all the dictionaries you might find at the library) are in complete agreement with my claims. Some people have pointed out that there appears to be some wiggle room with respect to the pronunciation of centrifugal, so perhaps I’m being a bit nitpicky about that word in particular. (Though in my experience educated people on both sides of the Atlantic stress the second syllable, not the third.) Other than that minor quibble (which Zoroth never even talked about), there is no doubt that I’m right.
So if you really think I’m a “glorified troll” and “as far as [you] can tell” Zoroth might be right, all I can really say is that I pity you. Perhaps I’ll get warned again by the TL.net Bot for my “smarter than thou” attitude, but I am speaking plainly and truthfully. I pity you, and anyone else that has so little capacity for critical thought that Zoroth’s incoherent ramblings even begin to resemble reason.
Hey hey hey. Words are abstract concepts, and have vastly changed over the ages. If you go back and read a primary source of english of the old ages, say Chaucer, it is practically a different language. I know its easy to feel superior over the internet, but as long as the speech communicates the intended meaning, it does not matter how it is said.
Whilom, as olde stories tellen us, Ther was a duc that highte Theseus; Of Atthenes he was lord and governour, And in his tyme swich a conquerour, that gretter was ther noon under the sonne. Ful many a riche contree hadde he wonne, What with his wysdom and his chivalrie; He conquered al the regne of Femenye, That whilom was ycleped Scithia, And weddede the queene Ypolita, And broghte hir hoom with hym in his contree, With muchel glorie and greet solempnytee, And eek hir yonge suster Emelye. And thus with victorie and with melodye Lete I this noble duc to Atthenes ryde, And al his hoost, in armes hym bisyde.
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