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On September 20 2010 09:17 ffreakk wrote:More than a good thread (as many have mentioned).. I only see Internet elitism in its full glory. Nevermind the first post which (hopefully) was made with good intentions, the continuous bashing on anyone that disagreed, calling them idiots, uneducated or some such goes a long way to show what went on in the OP's mind when he replied to the thread. + Show Spoiler +
"fuck you fucking idiots who dares to disagree with me are all fken tards.. im always fken right.."
is my guess..
Idiocy infuriates me, there is no doubt. I made a real effort to make a well organized and informative post, which many people responded to with baseless and incorrect arguments. Did you notice what happened when someone bothered to make a claim and cite a reputable source as a reference? I accepted their argument as correct and modified the original post to reflect my new understanding.
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People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me).
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This thread kinda bugs me, I mean everyone I know pronounces it zeelot. Even people who don't know what starcraft is, I mean I like the real pronunciation better but still.
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The pronunciation I gave is the correct one
That may be, but no one has any obligation to believe you unless you provide some sort of evidence. You may have a good grasp on the English language (easy to see from the way you write), but you have no idea what you are doing when it comes to discussing things on a forum. "I'm right" doesn't cut it here or anywhere.
Though it's ironic that you are going round calling people stupid (or implying) when you are committing an extremely obvious logical fallacy which anyone with no brain could recognise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_assertion_fallacy
I am pretty sure that you are the very definition of an asshat.
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On September 20 2010 09:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me).
I was just about to say this. I haven't run across many people who say zeelawt, but I've heard a lot (I'm looking at you HDstarcraft and Artosis) who say zelawt, which is also incorrect. Correctly pronounced, zealot should have a schwa on the last syllable. Zelawt comes from people reading the word before they hear it pronounced and phonetically putting a short o sound where it shouldn't be. It's a schwa people.
In conclusion: this /'zɛlət/ is correct, not this /'zɛlɑt/ or this (if you're a commonwealth speaker) /'zɛlɒt/, and certainly not this /'zilɑt/ or (commonwealth) this /'zilɒt/.
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I think Artosis can be linked to most of these mispronunciations.
Apparently most people also mispronounce IdrA but I cannot comment on the correct pronunciation because I actually do not know it.
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Lol, I pronounce pretty much all of those wrong.
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On September 19 2010 22:42 Chex Mix wrote:
It’s always exceptionally painful to dismantle poorly constructed and illogical arguments, for a number of reasons. One of them is that you know whoever you are correcting will ignore you and continue to believe whatever they want to believe, because they aren’t capable of rational thought. It’s like trying to argue the evidence for evolution with a religious fundamentalist.
Another reason is the nagging feeling that anyone else who can’t instantly see the really obvious holes in someone else’s argument just isn’t worth the time to enlighten. Their problem isn’t that they might be misinformed about a few things and just need to learn. Their problem is that they refuse to think critically, have lived their entire lives just believing the first thing they are told about anything, and have virtually zero capacity for true learning. Again I find myself wondering, why bother?
MadVillain, you say I need to “explain myself like Zoroth,” when in fact everything I’ve said I’ve backed up with legitimate reasoning and links to a reputable source supporting my claims. As opposed Zoroth who just says blatantly incorrect things without citation, but apparently people think he’s credible because he says “WRONG!” with an exclamation point.
User was temp banned for this post.
After reading this, I have troubles believing this post isn't a troll. It's so ironic.
Still, on most of these latin words, I wish they were made into english and behaved as english words instead of carrying around their own set of rules.
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What I like about this thread is that instead of the usual correction of each others spelling, grammar, sentence structure, word choice, this thread seems to have brought the majority of people together in asserting that these things aren't so important, that correcting each other is unnecessary and rude and the simple truth that language is an aid to communication.
Thanks OP, I've never seen so many people come together and voice tolerance for each others minor faults.
Hey Reason, you're not the internet police. Give it a break.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2010 03:52 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 03:39 Chronopolis wrote:Words Gamers Pronounce Correctly: Fuck OffPronounced: [fuhk awf] Commonly pronounced: [fuhk awf] From: Slang CommentsImo, nitpicking over pronounciation is a waste of time. Anyways often, the "proper" pronounciation of words sounds far less bad-ass or epic. Think of "ZEAL-lots" and "ZEL-ots" or "cen-TRIF-uga"l vs "cen-tri-FUGAL". Both pronunciations of centrifugal and correct and I seriously challenge you to make a decent case that ZEELots instead of ZELots sounds more "bad-ass" or "epic". http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=centrifugal&submit=SubmitI say ZEELots because I pronounced it wrong to begin with and it has stuck with me. I see no problem in mispronouncing a word so long as you know what the correct pronunciation is, which is what this thread is about. So for example though I still say "ZEELots" I will be the first to tell you that it is "ZELots". The website I linked is pretty awesome for what we are looking at here. I also think it should be a bannable offense to come into a thread to say the thread is a waste of time. If you think it's a waste of time then stay the fuck out. Seriously it's so annoying and it happens so often and it doesn't even make sense! NOBODY IS SAYING IT'S THAT IMPORTANT! JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THE CORRECT WAY TO DO/SAY SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NITPICKING. IF YOU HARASS PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE ABOUT IT THEN THAT IS NITPICKING. CREATING A THREAD TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE IS NOT NIT PICKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2010 04:13 Reason wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 04:05 QQplay wrote:On September 19 2010 20:43 Zoroth wrote:On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:AegisPronounced: [ ee-jis] Commonly mispronounced: [ ey-g uhs], [ ey-jis] Wrong! The latin pronounciation is eygus (or rather "Egus"). As such, because the word itself is latin and not anglican, both pronounciations are correct. Eyjis is incorrect, though, as you rightfully pointed out. On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:CentrifugalPronounced: [sen- trif- uh-g uhl], [sen- trif-y uh-g uhl] Commonly mispronounced: [sen-tri- fyoo-g uhl] Wrong! sentrifyoogal is a dialect pronounciation, it's not incorrect it's just more latin (and technically thus, more correct). Directly stems from centrifuge root word. You say tamato, I say tameyto. Similar example is Omniscient - It's correct to say "Omni-SAI-ent", but "Omnishint" is the far more common pronounciation. On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:MaelstromPronounced: [ meyl-str uhm] Commonly mispronounced: [meyl-storm] Partially right/wrong - Maelstrom and Maelstorm are both correct words, but both are also pronounced as such. E.g. mispronounced as Maelstrom when it reads Maelstorm and vice versa. Maelstrom comes from two words - Mal (latin "bad/wrong") and Strom ("current" (e.g. electric or watery) - scandinavian "strøm/ström"). Maelstorm is actually a modern word based on the original, historically correct word Malstrom/Maelstrom. The "storm" word was likely invented by Blizzard or some other game designer who wanted a more modern feel to the word for a younger audience. Actually, if we're gonna be draconic about it the absolute correct pronounciation for Maelstrom is actually " MAL-struhm" and not "meyl-struhm". The word "meyl" is and anglicized corruption of the word. "ae" is actually an "æ" (for the "Mael" permutation, but not "Mal"), but that letter doesn't exist in the english alphabet. On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:VisagePronounced: [ viz-ij] Commonly mispronounced: [vi- soj] The original correct pronounciation is "Viz-AH-dj", but as per english your example may also be correct. I'm not to familiar with any modern english version of the word. On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:ZealotPronounced: [ zel- uht] Commonly mispronounced: [zee-lot] This is probably the most mispronounced word in the history of gaming! "Zee-lot" (or "zeel-ot") may be far more obscure than "sentri-fyoo-gal", but let me remind you of the root word "zeel" (Zeal). But rightfully, Zellot and Zellus are typically correct. Just a little reminder:Have in mind that dictionaries - especially internet dictionaries that there's no way to double-check and that is highly subjective to the mind of the authors (as opposed to actual language-use in society, which is always developing and changing with the culture) - is NOT empirically correct. Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it. Mind blown twice. Do not quote an entire post and write a three line post. Even if you spoiler the quote it's pretty much a worthless post but to not even bother to spoiler is atrocious. I'm going to deliberately not spoiler the quote so when you scroll a billion miles down to read my post following the billion miles of scrolling past your own you hopefully realise the gravity of the crime you have committed. edit: DAMN IT!!!!! NESTED QUOTEEIJF{EFH@PJF(JRIKJJPOFIK{POEF Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 20:43 Zoroth wrote:
Internet dictionaries are void of any empiricism and book-form dictionaries are ever-changing. To start debating what is correct compared to what a dictionary claims is correct, is completely pointless. When certain things become common-place, the dictionaries change to reflect it.
This however is an absolutely golden point. At best we are contending the current pronunciations and very possibly we are arguing the old pronunciation versus what will in 10,20,50,100 years be the "correct" pronunciation. WE MAY WELL BE HOLDING BACK THE PROGRESSION OF MANKIND HOLY SHIT.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2010 03:00 Reason wrote:
Not going to bother with step by step correction as I see someone else is already doing it -_-
Cool to see you added so much more than the person who just quoted him. I spoilered it all for you though, so that should at least make you happy.
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Mjolnir/Mjollnir
Pronounced: [myol-neer]
Commonly mispronounced: [muh-joll-neer]
From: DotA
[i]God kills a kitten every time this word is mispronounced.
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On September 20 2010 13:34 Subversive wrote:
Hey Reason, you're not the internet police. Give it a break.
I lol'd.
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On September 20 2010 09:55 Kishkumen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 09:43 ZapRoffo wrote:
People who say "zel-lawt" annoy me even more than "zee-lawt", (because the first syllable error focuses my attention away from messing up the second syllable which is what sounds really horrible to me). I was just about to say this. I haven't run across many people who say zeelawt, but I've heard a lot (I'm looking at you HDstarcraft and Artosis) who say zelawt, which is also incorrect. Correctly pronounced, zealot should have a schwa on the last syllable. Zelawt comes from people reading the word before they hear it pronounced and phonetically putting a short o sound where it shouldn't be. It's a schwa people. In conclusion: this /'zɛlət/ is correct, not this /'zɛlɑt/ or this (if you're a commonwealth speaker) /'zɛlɒt/, and certainly not this /'zilɑt/ or (commonwealth) this /'zilɒt/.
I'm pretty sure anyone who says zelawt doesn't know what a schwa is, or how to read /'zɛlət/, heh.
Anyway, most mispronunciations don't bug me, but for some reason hearing zealot wrong really irks me.
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Thanks to the OP. Nice post.
I can't believe I've been saying 'aegis' wrong all these years! It's going to be hard to change though... nobody I know says it right.
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On September 20 2010 23:11 theSAiNT wrote:
Thanks to the OP. Nice post.
I can't believe I've been saying 'aegis' wrong all these years! It's going to be hard to change though... nobody I know says it right.
I know ey, it's like you go to a lan internet cafe and then you say 'ee-jis' and all your friends (for me that would be the entire internet cafe including the cashier dude) become silent and stare at you.
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On September 19 2010 17:39 Chex Mix wrote:CentrifugalAmerican pronunciation: [sen- trif- uh-g uhl], [sen- trif-y uh-g uhl] British pronunciation: [sen-tri- fyoo-g uhl], [sen- trif-y uh-g uhl] From: StarCraft 2 Not so much a mistake as originally thought, though if you are American and say it the chiefly British way, educated Americans might look at you funny.
Lol, educated Americans. Good joke? :p
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On September 19 2010 17:45 ZlaSHeR wrote:
I don't know who you're listening to if you think more people pronounce it ZEElot then zeh-lut. Also I don't think many people call is maelstorm, unless they just straight up can't read.
i've heard both of these, literally a million times since my time on TL began
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On September 20 2010 01:29 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 01:22 GreEny K wrote:
How the hell does Nony turn to noony? Im sticking with No-knee no matter how much it pisses you off. yeah and how is tyler teeler man. should bel ike tyler durden and stuff .
Wasn't Teeler just a joke? I didn't think people actually got that wrong...
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Medivac
Pronounced: med-uh-vak
Commonly mispronounced: drop-ship
From: every terran Sc2 cast ever
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On September 20 2010 23:54 Wargizmo wrote:MedivacPronounced: med-uh-vak Commonly mispronounced: drop-ship From: every terran Sc2 cast ever
lol.
that is true.
like tasteless loves calling them force fields stasis.
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surprised no one has yelled "language evolves, man".
posts like these are great for those who respect the english language and what is proper too it. thanks
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