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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:04 Rev0lution wrote: The pope hasn't been a relevant figure since the 1980's. As far as I know only 60 year old grannies listen to what the Pope has to say. That, and the many thousands who show up whenever he's in town ;3 | ||
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Polis
Poland1292 Posts
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On September 19 2010 16:45 blitzkrieger wrote: If Hitler used the Church for anything it was just that, to use them. I'm pretty sure Japanese aren't a master race according to Hitler (or Italians for that matter) yet he enlisted their aid to accomplish his own goals. If Hitler had won I am sure he would have disposed of not only the Church but also Japan when he saw fit. I mean even if you believe the Catholic Church helped Hitler I don't think anyone believes that Christian values and Nazism have any real similarities. And its in the Christian religion that the Church (organization) can and will become corrupt, it was said be Jesus too. If you take away religion you are just left with natural selection. And people will abuse that to say who is "fit" or not and be even more selfish. I mean WW2 already had that. Life is a FFA where every action is to gain and everyone are really enemies. There is no justification for anything except to further oneself. Things like abortion are already accepted by many and soon we will have designer babies because "its not a life". They already do selective abortion in China for women which is a huge problem, I read there will be 120million bachelors in China in a few years because they aborted so many female babies, wish I had the source... I think atheism is the most dangerous thing out there because it removes all restraints and takes away any morals and inserts nothing. Human beings are selfish and evil and taking off the restraints will unleash the monster. You can justify anything with atheism as long as if further's your own goals. Atheists are only accountable to themselves and can easily change any moral or value. We have already seen it with Hitler, Stalin, and Mao among others. Human beings become expendable and their is no value to life (look at abortion). People are already selfish and apathetic but the rise in militant atheism is going to make it even worse. Most people believe this even though the internet, and gaming are filled with young liberals/atheists for the most part so I'll get like 50 flames for this but I don't care. You can criticize me and the Pope all you want but I should be able to criticize atheism just as well. As an Atheist, I take offense to your post and bigotry. | ||
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:08 Polis wrote: Agnosticism does not exclude atheism you aren't one or the other, semantics aren't that hard people. I am agnostic about having fairies in my garden, and at the same time I don't believe in them, technically nothing is 100% certain it does not mean that some things are much less likely then other things. I don't know of any gnostic atheist. Yeh and to take it one step further I don't know any way to prove that anything except my own mind exists but I certainly don't walk around thinking everything is a figment of my own imagination. | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
I think there's absolutely no reason to assume that deism has any special validity. Atheism is all about assuming that gods don't exist. You can call this stupid, but I think it's quite a reasonable assumption. Proportedly having Einstein on your side doesn't help you, because intelligence is no substitute for complete understanding and knowledge. Einstein wished the universe to be "elegant" at its core. How exactly an elegant universe is evidence of intelligence is beyond me. The universe and what lies beneath is a great mystery. It could very well remain a great mystery forever. Instead of resorting to bogus arguments about why people choose not to believe in gods, you might like to expand on why there, in fact, most certainly is one. While you're at it, explain exactly what a god is. Or don't. You're off topic anyway. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
...really pope? you think atheism is comparable to nazism? how about you and i skim through the vatican archives and read up on the human rights violations, immorality, sexual crimes, authoritarianism, flagrant abuses of power, corruption, propaganda, hatred of non-catholics, violence, and the systemetic murder of non-...believers that makes up the history of the roman catholic church? Seriously though, its one thing to say that atheism is bad (not that I think it's true), but its another to say that atheism is bad and that your religion is better, when there has clearly been some major faults in it during the past. | ||
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nomsayin
United States124 Posts
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:23 nomsayin wrote: I am becoming more and more convinced that the pope is one of the most evil men alive today. That seems a tad far, in all honesty. Why do you think that? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/hitler%26bishop.gif) ![[image loading]](http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/Hitler-with-Muller.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/hitler_cardinal4.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/concordat.jpg) The Vatican was pretty friendly with Hitler. | ||
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nomsayin
United States124 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:26 NightRapier wrote: That seems a tad far, in all honesty. Why do you think that? The catholic church was systematically raping and torturing children, and he was the leader of this institution. He knew about the cases, and continued to put the public image of the church before the victims. Maybe not one of the most evil men alive, that may have been a bit reactionary, but nevertheless I was very disappointed when I learned he he wouldn't be arrested and brought to justice in Britian. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Pope should have a better understanding of German History. But for now I'll leave the off chance that he misspoke and what he seems to be saying was not his true intention. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On September 19 2010 17:47 cursor wrote: Ya about Morals. They are learned from your parents. Right and wrong. It has more to do with Empathy for other humans and is more GENUINE when it is as such. Just not doing something because "I'm afraid I'll go to hell" is the wrong reason to be good. You get your morals from your parents. They tell you when what you do is right or wrong. Atheist or no, good parenting or no, that's where you get it from. Lastly, to proclaim that religion has some how prevented more deaths than it has caused- with morals- vs its justification for wars- is a pretty silly argument for it. I read about 6 pages of the long argument, and I found this quote to be compelling. I leave people with their own decision on if they want to be religious or not. I am personally a Buddhist, but I would not force my own beliefs onto others. Sure I may explain why I am a Buddhist (I feel at peace when I enter a temple), but it does not mean I should disrespect or try to convince anyone else to join my faith, or indeed, to join a faith at all. I have had enough times of other religions telling me if I did not join them, that I would go to hell. Thank you very much, I prefer that the human populace just try to be decent human beings, instead of the finger game. That the world seems to like using too much nowadays. The Pope did indeed say some,er, interesting things (in my university, my theology teacher is forcing us to read a book he wrote, it's a Catholic U, go figure.) If he truly believes that, so be it, he's a theologian, as my teacher explained, not a charismatic leader. I personally do not condone what he wrote, but if if it's his view, then I will just quietly take note of it and strengthen my resolve in what I am doing in my own life everyday. | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:28 Zzoram wrote: The Vatican was pretty friendly with Hitler. I think you're only emphasize the point that if anyone would know what a nazi is or isn't like, that it would be this guy. Takes one to know one. | ||
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Sleight
2471 Posts
I think there are a lot strong opinions on both sides of the argument. If the Pope calls secularism akin to Nazism, I think we should give the man some credit. I mean he was in the Hitler youth as spry German lad, so I think that makes him the authority on the subject. I think that we all know that "it takes one to know one." Doesn't take God's insight to figure this one out. Duh. Cheers! | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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WilbertK
Netherlands210 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:16 wadadde wrote: Atheism is all about assuming that gods don't exist. That's not true. Atheism isn't about assuming anything. It's about NOT assuming gods DO exist. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:40 WilbertK wrote: That's not true. Atheism isn't about assuming anything. It's about NOT assuming gods DO exist. burden of proof goes both ways, to believe otherwise is committing a common logical fallacy | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On September 19 2010 21:23 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: It's a typo, I guess you've never made one. 0,05 = 5% = 1/20 I've corrected it. Well if you really meant 5% then I'd like to know what source Sky News has because my father is a forensic psychiatrist and he has very different numbers. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:34 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: To be fair, atheists and agnosticists spread lies about the Vatican as well. Just look at the joke images we have on the NSFW and SFW random pictures threads. Pope should have a better understanding of German History. But for now I'll leave the off chance that he misspoke and what he seems to be saying was not his true intention. Joke images are not lies, they are obviously parody. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On September 20 2010 01:42 GGTeMpLaR wrote: burden of proof goes both ways, to believe otherwise is committing a common logical fallacy Burden of proof only goes one way in many cases. The simplest explanation is the default unless there is evidence to the contrary. No gods exist is simpler than gods creating people in their image and giving them souls and free will to choose to believe in them or not, and punish these souls for not choosing to believe in them. | ||
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