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Fulgrim
United States560 Posts
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lololol
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On August 05 2010 23:07 TheAntZ wrote: I dont understand why so many people are against this, if it reconstructs your brain along with your body exactly as it was, its not a clone, it IS you. Just a reconstructed you. you'd essentially just be dead for a small amount of time So if it reconstructed multiples of "you", then all of them would be you? If not, which one would be you and which ones won't be you? | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:36 lololol wrote: So if it reconstructed multiples of "you", then all of them would be you? If not, which one would be you and which ones won't be you? There is no "you". "You" is an undefined form since you're constantly changing from one moment to the next, anyways. If you're asking which one was the original... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100512.gif) | ||
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SoManyDeadLings
Canada255 Posts
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Whyzguy
Canada263 Posts
On August 05 2010 19:11 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ...okay, are you asking whether i would let myself die just so a copy of me whose conciousness i don't share can go somewhere else real quick? fuck no, i'll take the bus. if my conciousness is transferred through and i just feel like i teleported, then fuck yeah! atoms is just atoms. Yeah, I agree with this. However, there would need to be some sort of verification process because who's to say that conciousness is the original you and not a copied you? yourself? Think about it. | ||
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RifleCow
Canada637 Posts
The prestige presented a version of this "thought" of teleportation, and is one of the deeper science fiction references in the movie. Alternatively, there was an episode of Star Trek where the dissassembler was not working, basically turning the teleporter into a cloning machine. Yea, this is a very interesting topic and primarily relies on what a person associates as their identity. I, however, do consider it teleportation, since at one moment you exist at one place the next moment you pop into existance somewhere else. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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lololol
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:49 Redmark wrote: But why is the second one not 'you'? The obvious answer is that the original 'you' is still there; not the case with this scenario. The point was that a duck does not have to have a certain molecular arrangement to be a duck, btw. edit: there does not have to be a soul for this to work. Humans think, but that is because of how the brain operates. Recreate the brain, and you recreate the human. I don't really see what you points is, maybe it's my lack of English reading skills. There would be two you at the moment of creating because there would be nothing to differentiate the two. If you switch the location of the copy and the original person you would not notice any difference. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:48 ramen247 wrote: there are too many paradoxes for this to work. what if the machine simply created an exact clone of you without killing the original? would consciousness suddenly be shared? No I dont think so. the clone would have a mind of its own. What do yo mean share consciousness? They would be the exact same person when created, then a natural progression would take place separating the two. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On August 06 2010 00:04 Zoler wrote: ok next question: just making a clone not killing yourself, nothing more, what the hell would happen? See the spoiler in my post above. | ||
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KristianJS
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Now, I don't believe in souls really, but I doubt I'd take this teleporter anyway. I know all our atoms are gradually switched out so our physical self isn't permanent, but at least the change is continuous in nature. A teleporter like this would cause a strongly discontinuous break in consciousness, and I'm not at all comfortable with that. I guess at the end of the day I wouldn't do it because it feels to much like dying and my instinct of self-preservation makes the idea hella scary to me! | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:48 ramen247 wrote: there are too many paradoxes for this to work. what if the machine simply created an exact clone of you without killing the original? would consciousness suddenly be shared? No I dont think so. the clone would have a mind of its own. Eh, this is nonsense. There's no such thing as "too many paradoxes for this to work", if it is truly a paradox, it is you premises that are false. And I don't see any paradox at all. A copy would be an exact copy at that one point in time. From there on, as other have noted, the two would diverge. No share consciousness. Why do you even bring that up, it is not a logical result of cloning? On August 05 2010 22:49 Redmark wrote: edit: there does not have to be a soul for this to work. Humans think, but that is because of how the brain operates. Recreate the brain, and you recreate the human. The soul was brought up because someone argued that you had no reason not to use this machine unless you believed in a concept of essence or soul. I don't agree there, as emotions are not rational. But it raised the point that when people argue that the second copy would not be you, is seems to imply that there is a soul or essence, which is either altered or lost. I wouldn't mind using such a device (provided it wasn't an unpleasant experience). In my eyes the second "me" would be just as much "me" as the initial one. | ||
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Like a lot have saif before, i wouldn't be me if i get killed. Its just a clone. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 06 2010 00:42 skindzer wrote: I tought the topic was about some grindcore/death metal kind of band. Like a lot have saif before, i wouldn't be me if i get killed. Its just a clone. Lets say I'm a real magician. I ask you to close your eyes and when you open then I have created an exact replica of yourself. Every single thing is exactly the same, both of you have the exact same memories. Both of you remember me asking you to close your eyes and have the same experience when opening them. How would you know if you are the clone or not? This assuming there isn't any visual stimulation that can tell you what direction you were facing or something like that. You wake up face to face having the exact same experiences. Who are the "real you"? | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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