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Lyzon
United Kingdom440 Posts
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On August 06 2010 00:42 skindzer wrote: Like a lot have saif before, i wouldn't be me if i get killed. Its just a clone. But noone who said this argued what changed.. what is this "you" that cease to exist? Why isn't the "clone" you? I am not saying it would be hard to tell the difference etc, I am asking, what the hell is the difference? "I would be dead", doesn't make sense to me in this respect. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:25 hefty wrote: But noone who said this argued what changed.. what is this "you" that cease to exist? Why isn't the "clone" you? I am not saying it would be hard to tell the difference etc, I am asking, what the hell is the difference? "I would be dead", doesn't make sense to me in this respect. the difference is that it's a different person.. the same as the difference between you and me. why am i not you? how is this not obvious? if you think the copy being "the same" as you would *make it you* then explain what happens when there is 2 copies. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Why destroy the body on one end in the first place???? That said what would you think if you were cloned and looking at yourself? | ||
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Empyrean
17053 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:32 MangoTango wrote: Well I'm pretty sure I'd never volunteer to be the first test subject. Really? I totally would. It's an opportunity to be a part of history! | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On August 05 2010 18:36 UniversalSnip wrote: This is a common thing in science fiction where you are 'teleported' by a machine that kills you, then reconstructs an exact copy of your body and mind at another point. ITS EXACTLY YOU!!! So I don't get it... OFC i wanna teleport. You guys dum er sumthn? Like if I was in mid thought... I want cake... but I vaporized at I want... And I come out as a clone... I'd finish with cake right? I love cake! | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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mesohawny
Canada193 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:35 SuperJongMan wrote: ITS EXACTLY YOU!!! So I don't get it... OFC i wanna teleport. You guys dum er sumthn? Like if I was in mid thought... I want cake... but I vaporized at I want... And I come out as a clone... I'd finish with cake right? I love cake! notice the KILLS, and the EXACT COPY part? lol @ cake... pie is better than cake dummy | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
Basically, what Travis said. NOW, imagine a different situation. The machine makes the copy first, and then kills the original you 30 seconds later. You would realize that your consciousness didn't transfer, and obviously would not after you were killed. /end | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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datscilly
United States529 Posts
As humans live, the atoms in our body get constantly replaced, so that the atoms in our bodies now, are not the same atoms that made up our bodies five years ago. This includes the brain too, so what essentially defines you is not your current components, but the pattern that persists throughout the years. If it was possible to copy that pattern, then it would be you. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:35 SuperJongMan wrote: ITS EXACTLY YOU!!! So I don't get it... OFC i wanna teleport. You guys dum er sumthn? Like if I was in mid thought... I want cake... but I vaporized at I want... And I come out as a clone... I'd finish with cake right? I love cake! Except it's not. YOU die. A clone of you is made. Just because it's a clone of you with all your same DNA, etc. does not make it YOU. It's a copy. Why should I die so a copy can live my life. Sure, that copy might not have realized it died, etc. But it's still no longer me. I go to heaven, hell, or am merely dead, depending on how you view the afterlife. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:33 Empyrean wrote: Really? I totally would. It's an opportunity to be a part of history! Yea, and/or splattered onto the wall somewhere. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:35 SuperJongMan wrote: ITS EXACTLY YOU!!! So I don't get it... OFC i wanna teleport. You guys dum er sumthn? Like if I was in mid thought... I want cake... but I vaporized at I want... And I come out as a clone... I'd finish with cake right? I love cake! Well let's assume that the technology to precisely clone a human being exists in the first place down to every last detail. What if we take out the part where in a single instant one ceases to exist and another is created as in this teleportation example, but instead say that this machine simply cloned another version of you so that now suddenly in an instant there are two copies. Would you consider the "other" you to be the same exact person, or would you consider him to be a perfect physical replica, but not the same person? Assuming that "you" as an individual human being is not only defined by your physical constitution, but also by your unique position in space and time, that copy of you would not actually be the same person because while he may begin with the same physical constitution, the simple fact that you are here and he is there means that your paths as individuals have diverged at that point. Though he is physically you, he cannot relate to your 100% simply because he is no longer experiencing the world exactly the way you do and indeed cannot simply because he cannot co-exist in the same exact point in space and time that you do. Instantly you'd be breathing different air, being subject to different amounts of radiation, having your bodies changed by your unique environments in different ways. Though the changes may initially be unnoticeable to our eyes, in the instant a machine makes a clone of you, your physical constitution diverges from that of your clone as does your consciousness and experience. When you remove the issue of "teleportation" and simply think of it as cloning (which is what it essentially is), then you realize that it's really not a simple as you might make it seem. One could certainly argue that this is happening everyday and in every single moment, of course depending on your own belief in the way the universe, reality, and space-time works. Unfortunately there are still a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to the nature of reality so I'm pretty sure I would never use this technology simply due to the uncertainty... | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:56 LF9 wrote: Consciousness would not follow. As I said, imagine a scenario where you die just 30 seconds AFTER the copy is made. This alone PROVES that consciousness does not follow. Well if consciousness transferred, your old body would probably fall lifeless and limp the moment you teleported. Does the soul/consciousness transfer with the process, or is it simply deconstruction and reconstruction with a spark of life zapped into it? All depends on if you can create life (Dr. Frankenstein style), or if you can only transfer it and the teleportation only completes with the transfer of consciousness. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On August 06 2010 01:33 Empyrean wrote: Really? I totally would. It's an opportunity to be a part of history! What if the machine accidentally the whole you? Oops. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Mayerling
United States34 Posts
One day you discover that you are not your "original." You find out you are the copy that came out the other end. How would you feel about that? | ||
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