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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200001/live-forever | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
Think about your body right now. What is it made of? Nerves, bones, muscles, all consisting of cells. Every moment of every day, your dead skin cells are floating into the air. Your excretions are ejecting parts of your body away from you, and the food that you eat replaces them. Even the cells which aren't replaced (as often? dunno), brain cells or whichever, still replaces parts of themselves, and within time they'll be composed of different molecules than they were before. So, your body from a year ago no longer exists; it's dust which has been spread all around the Earth. There is no overlap between your body from a certain time ago, and your body now; you are brand-new. And yet you're still you. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, what's stopping it from being a duck? Certainly not the arrangement of the atoms which make it. | ||
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sLiniss
United States849 Posts
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
why would you need to die at the 'entry device' in order for the 'exit device' to remake a copy of you? you haven't transported someone if you just scan and delete him somewhere and copypaste him somewhere else; you've simply deleted him somewhere and copypasted him somewhere else... this is not teleportation... and I would not use such a device as it would mean my death... | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:32 Redmark wrote: It's not that simple. Think about your body right now. What is it made of? Nerves, bones, muscles, all consisting of cells. Every moment of every day, your dead skin cells are floating into the air. Your excretions are ejecting parts of your body away from you, and the food that you eat replaces them. Even the cells which aren't replaced (as often? dunno), brain cells or whichever, still replaces parts of themselves, and within time they'll be composed of different molecules than they were before. So, your body from a year ago no longer exists; it's dust which has been spread all around the Earth. There is no overlap between your body from a certain time ago, and your body now; you are brand-new. And yet you're still you. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, what's stopping it from being a duck? Certainly not the arrangement of the atoms which make it. you don't see the difference between very gradual replacement and sudden nonexistence and separate reconstitution? | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
I mean, there's the obvious difference that one is very gradual and one is sudden, but what difference does it make? I don't see how it changes the argument at all. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
Why ever disintegrate the original you? Because piecing the new you out of your old atoms makes you more youier. P.S. for all INTENTS AND purposes | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:32 Redmark wrote: It's not that simple. Think about your body right now. What is it made of? Nerves, bones, muscles, all consisting of cells. Every moment of every day, your dead skin cells are floating into the air. Your excretions are ejecting parts of your body away from you, and the food that you eat replaces them. Even the cells which aren't replaced (as often? dunno), brain cells or whichever, still replaces parts of themselves, and within time they'll be composed of different molecules than they were before. So, your body from a year ago no longer exists; it's dust which has been spread all around the Earth. There is no overlap between your body from a certain time ago, and your body now; you are brand-new. And yet you're still you. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and acts like a duck, what's stopping it from being a duck? Certainly not the arrangement of the atoms which make it. If it has the exact molecular arrangement as a duck I'd say... it's a duck. What exactly are your point? This conundrum boils down to whether or not you believe there is something more to life than the atoms we exists of, like a soul. I would argue that if you could create an exact copy of yourself down to the last atom, that would be you. At least at the exact moment of creating. After that the two "yous" would slowly start to separate since we are a product of our environment. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:47 nam nam wrote: If it has the exact molecular arrangement as a duck I'd say... it's a duck. What exactly are your point? This conundrum boils down to whether or not you believe there is something more to life than the atoms we exists of, like a soul. I would argue that if you could create an exact copy of yourself down to the last atom, that would be you. At least at the exact moment of creating. After that the two "yous" would slowly start to separate since we are a product of our environment. But why is the second one not 'you'? The obvious answer is that the original 'you' is still there; not the case with this scenario. The point was that a duck does not have to have a certain molecular arrangement to be a duck, btw. edit: there does not have to be a soul for this to work. Humans think, but that is because of how the brain operates. Recreate the brain, and you recreate the human. | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19264 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
i don't really think there is more to life than an arrangement of atoms, but think about what would happen if the 'original' you wouldn't be killed. The new you would have the same memories, the exact same character and everything, yet you will not see what your "clone" sees, nor will you feel what your "clone" feels. You don't see the world with 4 eyes and don't control the new body. Therefore nobody else would see the difference (and when you ask the cloned one if he is still the same, he would obviously answer yes) but you aren't alive anymore. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:07 TheAntZ wrote: I dont understand why so many people are against this, if it reconstructs your brain along with your body exactly as it was, its not a clone, it IS you. Just a reconstructed you. you'd essentially just be dead for a small amount of time yeah but it wouldn't be teleportation and if you could just scan someone up and make a copy why not just have a copy of yourself on the other end and agree on what needs to be done over there by the phone lol, the whole procedure isn't transportation it's real-time cloning and the technique would be much more useful in other areas the whole idea is stupid and is obviously the result of some chump thinking out possible solutions to the question 'how would teleportation work' which I guess is a worthwhile question to ask but I think this is not how, (if we ever develop teleportation) it would work | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
I've thought about this and then I realized that what makes your consciousness is only your short term memory. So I die every time I go to sleep, faint or get drugged before an operation. I figured this out when I was like thirteen. You would not believe the suffering I went through, I literally did not sleep for three days straight, curled up in a foetal ball at night and clawed myself to stay awake. There's a reason they shouldn't teach this sort of psychophilosophy to kids >.> | ||
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On August 05 2010 22:42 intrigue wrote: you don't see the difference between very gradual replacement and sudden nonexistence and separate reconstitution? You make it sound like something can gradually change and still be the same thing. If I take 1 and add 0.01 to it, I have 1.01 which is not equal in any sense to 1. Even the slightest change in your body renders you a different being - (or for that matter the slightest change in your brain). So I for one see no difference in having a little piece of my mind removed and replaced than I do in having my entire mind removed and replaced. Especially the fact that in the long run you'll have hte same result as if your entire mind was removed and replaced. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
Then there's the question of how would it feel to get killed by such machine. | ||
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