On August 04 2010 23:36 SolHeiM wrote: I don't think they are being exploited. I think they're the ones doing the exploiting because they understand they will make bank being a little slutty. Miley Cyrus is being slutty simply because it sells, and horny teenage boys jack it endlessly to her when she comes on stage while Chris Hemsworth or w/e his name is actually gets to stick it in her vajayjay.
There is nothing wrong with what they are singing. God, people are such prudes these days it's shocking how people get offended by the most ridiculous things.
Just because they happen to be making money doesn't mean that they're not being exploited. And what Miley Cyrus does or sings comes nothing close to this. I don't think anyone is particularly offended by it, but rather somewhat troubled.
I think you could extrapolate quite a lot from a song called "can't be tamed" She has had a very recent uh...slutty transformation actually.
You say they are being exploited but it is well within their rights to just not do anything. You can claim outside pressure sure but the fact of the matter is that most of them know this sells and they want more money. I think Sol was right, they are the exploiters.
Dakota Fanning could have made way more bank than she did but she refused to do roles that weren't appropriate for her age...something im sure will fly right out the window when she turns 18 but regardless....
I pretty much died laughing when "I want to experience adult pleasure" popped up on the screen
That G-Masta MV.... holy fuck haha
I initially thought this was pretty bad, but it's not like sex hasn't been introduced in lots of pop culture songs already. Although this just seems worse at any way I look at it.
On August 05 2010 00:54 LegendaryZ wrote: Please go look up what "prude" actually means... -_-
prude (pruːd)
— n a person who affects or shows an excessively modest, prim, or proper attitude, esp regarding sex
mod·est [mod-ist] Show IPA –adjective
3. having or showing regard for the decencies of behavior, speech, dress, etc.; decent: a modest neckline on a dress.
prim1 [prim] –adjective 1. formally precise or proper, as persons or behavior; stiffly neat.
prop·er [prop-er] –adjective 1. adapted or appropriate to the purpose or circumstances; fit; suitable: the proper time to plant strawberries.
I win?
So being against the idea of having 15-18 year old girls in schoolgirl uniforms blatantly singing about wanting a guy to take her clothes off, penetrate her, potentially impregnate her (which I interpret from the "if something happens, it'll work out"), all while she doesn't care if other people are watching and that is just how high school girls are is being excessively modest, prim, or proper"? If that's your definition of a "prude", then I'm a bit scared to ask what your definition of "normal" would be... The keyword for prude is excessive, not modest. So no, you don't win. Try again, please.
Besides, in what reality do you live in where this is what is going through the mind of the average adolescent girl and how do you feel it benefits society to have them singing these types of songs to a bunch of middle aged men (probably their primary audience)? I think you might be letting all the contrived porn stories skew your view of the world a bit...
And frankly, this is one of the more tame videos I've seen from them. I know you're probably attracted to cute young girls and stuff, but there should be a line drawn somewhere...
You seriously think that 15-18 year old girls doesn't have fantasies about being fucked beyond their wildest dreams? Women are a lot more private when it comes to their sexual fantasies than men are, and the reason they can say stuff like that in a song is because there are virtually no consequences because they can just deflect by saying that it's "just a song lyric."
You should read the book called "My Secret Garden" by Nancy Friday and open your minds about female sexuality. Women aren't fucking angels. They enjoy no strings attached, down and dirty sex just as much as any guy.
I must admit I kinda did not expect that but come to think of it I've heard alot worse lyrics coming from the US and stuff. Although when I heard it I just thought that they were some really slutty japanese girls and I kinda agree with OP ...wtf :p
But they aren't children. A few of them are older teenagers and the majority are adults. Quite a few of them are in their early 20's. If this was a C-ute song, I'd see your point. But most of these girls are adults, and all of them are well above the japanese age of consent.
I've never understood why teenage sexuality is frowned upon but once you're 2 years older (18) it's perfectly alright. If these girls were 12, 13, or whatever I think it would be completely different. For a lot of teenagers, sexuality is a new and exciting part of their life so it's not surprising that it's in the music they listen to or that is targeted to them.
I'm perfectly fine with mainstream songs being as sexual as they wish to be, even if it was being sung by a teenager. What bothers me are lyrics that are sexist or demeaning, something that objectifies and cheapens sexuality.
This is absolutely no different than the crap you hear on the radio here. You don't think innuendo is a huge part of lyrics by slutty little 17 year old singers here?
This is just a lame attempt to get people to listen to shitty K-Pop. Ban the op BAN HIM
On August 05 2010 04:19 Hawk wrote: This is absolutely no different than the crap you hear on the radio here. You don't think innuendo is a huge part of lyrics by slutty little 17 year old singers here?
This is just a lame attempt to get people to listen to shitty K-Pop. Ban the op BAN HIM
You're so wrong on the type of music though lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. And no, Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese people aren't the same k thx
On August 05 2010 00:54 LegendaryZ wrote: Please go look up what "prude" actually means... -_-
prude (pruːd)
— n a person who affects or shows an excessively modest, prim, or proper attitude, esp regarding sex
mod·est [mod-ist] Show IPA –adjective
3. having or showing regard for the decencies of behavior, speech, dress, etc.; decent: a modest neckline on a dress.
prim1 [prim] –adjective 1. formally precise or proper, as persons or behavior; stiffly neat.
prop·er [prop-er] –adjective 1. adapted or appropriate to the purpose or circumstances; fit; suitable: the proper time to plant strawberries.
I win?
So being against the idea of having 15-18 year old girls in schoolgirl uniforms blatantly singing about wanting a guy to take her clothes off, penetrate her, potentially impregnate her (which I interpret from the "if something happens, it'll work out"), all while she doesn't care if other people are watching and that is just how high school girls are is being excessively modest, prim, or proper"? If that's your definition of a "prude", then I'm a bit scared to ask what your definition of "normal" would be... The keyword for prude is excessive, not modest. So no, you don't win. Try again, please.
Besides, in what reality do you live in where this is what is going through the mind of the average adolescent girl and how do you feel it benefits society to have them singing these types of songs to a bunch of middle aged men (probably their primary audience)? I think you might be letting all the contrived porn stories skew your view of the world a bit...
And frankly, this is one of the more tame videos I've seen from them. I know you're probably attracted to cute young girls and stuff, but there should be a line drawn somewhere...
Dude, you are overreacting. You seem to imply that something really horrible is coming out of this. Do you expect this song to turn those middle aged men into rapists or something, in Japan where rape stats are among the lowest in the world? (Yes, I know, rape stats aren't the most reliable, but still indicate well whats the situation.)
And hell, even when I entered puberty, at the age 13 or so, I started thinking alot about sex and got interested in it. I thought that was natural and NECCESSARY for our species to survive? Who is to say girls don't think about sex too? Also considering most of these girls are indeed in their teens and even older... It's not like these girls are 10.
Here's something that might shock you: Girls think about sex too. They just don't go about it and announce it the way men do, and there's social reasons for that too. For example: A guy says I love sex. People respond: Cool. Girl says I love sex, people respond: Slut. Maybe this is the reason you are so shocked? Your just not used to girls announcing and bouncing their sexuality around in this manner?
And in their age it is perfectly normal to think about sex, maybe these lyrics were a bit too suggestive, but no where near to start flipping out. Naturally, it's not ALL they think about, but I'm 100% sure it's what pops in their mind more often then we think.
The United States is way worse when it comes to lyrics, but this song is much more sexually explicit. And I can't help but imagine that there are a variety of middle aged men out on the internet finding amusement in these videos.
As much as I'd love to bash on weird Japanese fads, critics here are being pretty ridiculous.
Not only is the video tame compared to much more prominent pop standards, the lyrics aren't that much worse than shit by Zeppelin, Zappa, Third Eye Blind, Janet Jackson, etc. Even My Sharona and Afternoon Delight are pretty explicit songs.
Oh my little pretty one, pretty one When you gonna give me some time Sharona When you make my motor run, my motor run Gun it coming, off the line Sharona
*Never gonna stop, give it up Such a dirty mind, always get it up For the touch of the younger kind My my my i yi woo My my my my Sharona
Come a little closer huh, ah will ya huh, Close enough to look in my eyes Sharona Keeping it a mystery gets to me Running down the length of my thighs Sharona
(Repeat *)
When you gonna give it to me Give it to me It's just a matter of time Sharona Is it just destiny, destiny Or is it just a game in my mind Sharona
First off, AKB48 is just a name. There is more or less than 48 girls in it depending on the time, and it's always more if you count the "student" members that are not officially part of the group. In fact, the AKB Project is actually made of three groups based in three places, with a fourth group upcoming in September. AKB48 is based in Akihabara, Tokyo. SKE48 is based in Nagoya. SDN48 is the 20+ only "semi-retirement" group (Japanese adulthood, e.g. for beer drinking, is at 20) and is not based anywhere that I know of. NMB48 is the new upcoming group based in Nanba. They total more than 120 members as of now.
Second, who sings what is decided by the producer, Akimoto Yasushi. It can be anyone from any group, though mostly the girls form units within their groups. The members chosen depend on the lyrics, etc. Akimoto is known for racy lyrics, having produced another idol group in the 90s called Nyanko Club. He made off with one of the girls after she retired from the group (she was 18 and he was in his twenties at the time). For the big single releases, the fans elect the girls and they can come from any of the three groups (mostly from AKB48 and two or three from SKE48).
Third, the average age is high now in AKB48 because they started 5 years ago with pretty much the same core members. SKE48 is lower (but still high, like 16 or so) and thus they don't have have as much racy lyrics.
Fourth, while I think their music mostly sucks, they are now a household name in Japan, with their big single topping the Oricon chart last year (the reference music chart in Japan). Pretty much like Morning Musume, only with 100+ members. Names most people know : Maeda Atsuko since she plays in TV dramas (she sucks ass imo) and Oshima Yuko since she does variety programs and movies (I'm a fan). Name people will know : Matsui Jurina, she's only thirteen and in 2009 was 19th in popularity, now in 2010 she's 10th.
Fifth, the main concept of the AKB Project is "Idols you can meet". Thus they are not necessarily the best looking girls around, nor the most talented singers/dancers. They're mostly a bunch of interesting girls that can appeal to the broadest audience, so that everyone will have a desire to meet at least one of the girls in private. They're mostly normal girls, with some exceptions for those that want something out of the ordinary. Hence the girls do a lot of variety shows, which is not something most idols do because they have to maintain their image of false purity. The only purity these girls have is the "no boyfriend" rule that's common in showbiz for idols. Still, many are probably not virgins, especially the girls that enter in their late teens or the SDN48 girls. Also, you can actually meet them face to face and shake their hands at a "handshake event" if you buy one of their CDs. Not a bad deal considering, especially if you actually like the music anyway. And yeah, there are also girls at handshake events nowadays, and there is even some girl wotas because of them.
If you want to know what variety idols can do for you, and you know Japanese (or not?), watch AKBINGO! It's one of those crazy Japanese program like Takeshi's Castle, only with lots of young girls, which makes it auto-win.
EPT
, and no I don't support this group at all
