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On July 19 2010 10:41 Kurr wrote:
So no, I'm not OK with torture. But I am OK with the current prison system. Like I said earlier, prison should not be enjoyable. And even if we tried to make it so, the people inside would still be a bunch of paranoid maniacs ready to stab you for no real reason.
What exactly is the difference between torturing a prisoner physically and torturing/potentially killing a person by putting them in this kind of environment other then this?
Most of the bad things described in the OP were not due to the COs, but by the convicts themselves.
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On July 19 2010 10:56 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 10:41 Kurr wrote:
So no, I'm not OK with torture. But I am OK with the current prison system. Like I said earlier, prison should not be enjoyable. And even if we tried to make it so, the people inside would still be a bunch of paranoid maniacs ready to stab you for no real reason. What exactly is the difference between torturing a prisoner physically and torturing/potentially killing a person by putting them in this kind of environment other then this? Show nested quote +
Most of the bad things described in the OP were not due to the COs, but by the convicts themselves.
You quoted the answer yourself... What exactly do you suggest? How exactly do you want to change the mindset of the convicts themselves? That is entirely THEIR OWN FAULT. It would cost too much money to remake the prison system and it might not even acheive any desired results if the convicts themselves refuse to change their ways.
Honestly I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. Are you trying to argue that murderers should have a fun time in prison? Fuck them, honestly.
When was I arguing with you?
Just assumed you were I guess.
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On July 19 2010 11:01 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 10:56 Half wrote:On July 19 2010 10:41 Kurr wrote:
So no, I'm not OK with torture. But I am OK with the current prison system. Like I said earlier, prison should not be enjoyable. And even if we tried to make it so, the people inside would still be a bunch of paranoid maniacs ready to stab you for no real reason. What exactly is the difference between torturing a prisoner physically and torturing/potentially killing a person by putting them in this kind of environment other then this?
Most of the bad things described in the OP were not due to the COs, but by the convicts themselves.
You quoted the answer yourself... What exactly do you suggest? How exactly do you want to change the mindset of the convicts themselves? That is entirely THEIR OWN FAULT. It would cost too much money to remake the prison system and it might not even acheive any desired results if the convicts themselves refuse to change their ways. Honestly I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. Are you trying to argue that murderers should have a fun time in prison? Fuck them, honestly.
When was I arguing with you? (besides in this post  )
It would cost too much money to remake the prison system and it might not even acheive any desired results if the convicts themselves refuse to change their ways.
This is just patently untrue. Theirs a middle ground between giving them little hotel rooms and wiis and what else the fuck not and letting them "rot" in their own filth. Sure its still going to be a shithole, but small services go a long way in prison.
Just assumed you were I guess.
Not really. I'm hardly on board the whole "Lets give Wiis to criminals" thing, but theirs a difference between poor management and luxury treatment.
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wow, i learned some interesting stuff about prison from this, but nothing too surprising.
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2 things I learned: You actually can't get a job with an arts degree.
Stay the fuck away from a prison.
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What a waste a life. A rich kid with a degree does all of that shit and doesn't even regret it.
Besides that, good read.
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Really really interesting thread. The solitary confinement part was especially disturbing.
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Just read the entire post.
Thanks for organizing it like that. That is a really great insight of one man's prison experience. I wish I had more to say, but I'm dumbfounded. Trying to soak it all in..
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hopefully some people who were going to end up in prison will read this and think twice before fkin up.
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On July 19 2010 09:28 CaucasianAsian wrote:
My roommate just got out of prison for 4 years 4 months ago, and his stories are much more interesting.
What is the point of this post?
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On July 20 2010 12:50 LOcDowN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2010 09:28 CaucasianAsian wrote:
My roommate just got out of prison for 4 years 4 months ago, and his stories are much more interesting. What is the point of this post?
Agreed. Why the hell would you tell us his stories are much more interesting and not share any stories?
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Holy crap... I read about half of it... Jaw dropping. I don't want to go to prison, scary stuff right there...
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Wow. Consider my understandinig of prison shaken.
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This was an incredible read. Wow.
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how is everyone debating whether ppl should be chucked into this environment?
its disgraceful. *some* of the people in prison deserve the horrible conditions they are in. but seriously, if you didnt harm anyone while committing your offense, you shouldnt be thrown into a degenerate shithole. the idea of prison itself is that it could rehabilitate the offender and they can rejoin society as a positive and useful member and pay taxes, etc, have a normal life. otherwise we should just be executing everyone who breaks the law and saving billions of $$$ used on prisons for schools and medical.
the reason this guy posted this in the first place was to draw attention to a situation that he felt many people were unaware of, and that he also felt was not acceptable practice within his country. i believe both are valid, and that nearly every citizen of the US is basically unaware of exactly what conditions their fellow americans are being subjected to within their justice system.
imo murderers and rapists have no rights, but for everyone else, ie drug offenses, non-violent crime, weapons offenses not involving attempted murder, assault, etc, you shouldnt have to exist in an environment where you fear for your life.
prison is already privatized for profit. part of the responsibilities of those corporations administering the program should be to ensure the safety of all prisoners, including the violent offenders and sexual predators who dont really deserve it. otherwise joe whitecollar criminal, or freddy the weed dealer, or some 18 year old kid selling crack for a street gang to feed his family are gona end up taking way more punishment than they deserved for the wrongs they committed.
obv you cant keep everyone safe all the time, and people will always get murdered in prison, there will always be drugs in prison, etc, but a much better job could be done than what is currently the standard in most, if not all, major max security prisons on US soil. this guy isnt describing an isolated situation here, his prison is probably on the mean as far as supermax level 5s go. if not better than most.
so for everyone saying they all deserve it, just think how easily u could get set up, or make a mistake while drunk/high, and end up in there. think about how stupid you were when you were 18. think about temptation and risk, and how easily the lines of right and wrong can become blurred. there are plenty of very nice people involved in illegal activities of some sort or another, and they dont deserve the treatment they get from the US federal justice system.
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I was trying to find a source on this so I googled it. I've seen other people post on other forums that this story is a troll
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On July 20 2010 15:13 nEAnS wrote:
I was trying to find a source on this so I googled it. I've seen other people post on other forums that this story is a troll
I tried to find the source post and also didn't find it. That OP is mesmorizing, though--I almost can't believe someone could pull it out of thin air
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