Poll: Thoughts on Nigel Farage trying to steal John Bercow's seat?
wtf no gtfo Farage (4)
57%
Ha, go for it! (2)
29%
I hate British politics (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Thoughts on Nigel Farage trying to steal John Bercow's seat?
(Vote): Ha, go for it! (Vote): wtf no gtfo Farage (Vote): I hate British politics
Well I'm no British person and UKIP sounds like a party I wouldn't like even if I were, but this Farage guy is hilarious
He was just born to deliver these tirades. Just compare these two over here:
Now maybe one was more factual than the other, but clearly one of these men knows how to deliver a tirade well and one of them doesn't. You'd be no patriot of your country if you couldn't ensure a seat for Mr.Farage!
On April 24 2010 05:45 Klive5ive wrote: He tried to justify his inheritance tax lift which I think is pretty much undefendable.
I dunno. I think inheritance tax is pretty much disgraceful in principle. The ability to pass on what you've earned do your kids is pretty huge imo. At present you have rich kids being essentially told that they have to earn and save hundreds of thousands of pounds for the taxman just to pass on to their kids what they were given. Now I don't particularly care for the rich but I do think that's really shitty.
On April 24 2010 05:45 Klive5ive wrote: He tried to justify his inheritance tax lift which I think is pretty much undefendable.
I dunno. I think inheritance tax is pretty much disgraceful in principle. The ability to pass on what you've earned do your kids is pretty huge imo. At present you have rich kids being essentially told that they have to earn and save hundreds of thousands of pounds for the taxman just to pass on to their kids what they were given. Now I don't particularly care for the rich but I do think that's really shitty.
I didn't think any body supported the inheritance tax. It's a stupid idea to just take a whole bunch of someone's money when they die. They've not worked all their life to give a portion of their savings and earnings to the government. They've been doing that their entire life.
On April 24 2010 05:45 Klive5ive wrote: He tried to justify his inheritance tax lift which I think is pretty much undefendable.
I dunno. I think inheritance tax is pretty much disgraceful in principle. The ability to pass on what you've earned do your kids is pretty huge imo. At present you have rich kids being essentially told that they have to earn and save hundreds of thousands of pounds for the taxman just to pass on to their kids what they were given. Now I don't particularly care for the rich but I do think that's really shitty.
I didn't think any body supported the inheritance tax. It's a stupid idea to just take a whole bunch of someone's money when they die. They've not worked all their life to give a portion of their savings and earnings to the government. They've been doing that their entire life.
That sounds like an argument against Tax in general or against balancing the tax system to make it fair. Tax is also about incentives. What inheritance tax does is encourage people to spend their money and spend it the way THEY want to. There are plenty of rich kids who gain money from relatives they never even knew, whilst other young people don't have that advantage. If you're close with your family then they can spend the money with you while they can.
I'm one of the people who will lose out from this tax since both my grand-parents would fall into the threshold... but I would rather they spend their money now on taking care of themselves rather than passing it to me, because quite frankly, I don't deserve it.
Here is the original encounter. Basically she implied that immigrants were taking benefits and that people who deserve them can't get them. Around 2.15 or so "People who aren't vulnerable are claiming benefits and those that are vulnerable cant...It's the.. you can't say anything about these immigrants, but all these Eastern Europeans that are coming in, where are they flocking from?"
But will let you decide for yourselves.
There is also a reaction on her part afterwards, link on the page. She just ignores that she was giving out about immigrants and pretends she was talking solely about the national debt. Maybe she should become a politician
On April 28 2010 22:11 Reach_UK wrote: Was she actually a bigot? I cant find scuffle they had just before that video.
BTW if anyone says 'bigotgate', I will kill you.
Well she's a stout Labour supporter so ironically yes! But bigoted in FAVOR of Brown. She'd already chosen Labour on her postal vote (despite her issues with the economy and immigration) but has now said she wont send it.
There are plenty of rich kids who gain money from relatives they never even knew, whilst other young people don't have that advantage. If you're close with your family then they can spend the money with you while they can.
The principle behind inheritance, whether of money or of rank, is not "fairness" but that an individual's labours may transcend his mortality, thereby giving a man's life continuity and meaning beyond the boundaries of birth and death. To rationalize the destruction of these most basic social bonds by a double subterfuge of assuming their impotence on one hand, and seeking to distribute those bonds indiscriminately to all humanity on the other, is to base castles on clouds.
I also don't see, given the UK's low household savings rate, and in light of her present public deficit problem, how it could be productive to encourage private spending. Surely the opposite is needed.
Final debate tommorow, whos pumped? it seems like all the parties are generally going to come out terribly with the latest fairly (to most people) expected and previously ignored about tax rises needed in the next government. However I can't help but think Clegg should have the upperhand in this debate, he has (in my opinion) the best chancellor candidate behind him so how can he do badly?
Also I have to say Hannan's speech in the post a little earlier is in my opinion a more powerful one than Farage's ramblings, though thats just me.
I completely agree with Brown and I can understand why he's pissed. Obviously he's a hugely busy man at the moment as PM, leader of a divided political party and a contestant in a general election. He has a team behind him trying to win that election, trying to put him in the best light, frame public interviews in which he answers reasonable questions from people the voters can relate to. Someone fucked up and instead he is put in a room with a bigoted woman who says Labour no longer satisfy her paranoia. He can either agree with her that immigrants are to blame or he can tell her she's a crazy xenophobe. It's a situation that never should have come up and if I was Brown I'd have come out of it hugely pissed off. I'd have had a similiar rant about how it's a waste of time to stick me in a room with a bigot and I could easily have forgotten the mic. The only thing about it I find annoying is his faux repentence but that's an electoral necessity because the bigot vote is one everyone is courting. This has actually made me like Brown more.
Absolutely agree with you Kwark. And same result for me as for you lol. I always liked Brown anyway, I sympathize with serious people.
As far as who I'm voting for...still interesting:
1. conservatives because I agree with them on education, policing and welfare
2. Greens because Caroline Lucas probably does deserve to be in parliament
3. Lib Dem because potentially a hung parliament and a change in the voting system would be a big change for our country, and might be interesting , something to tell the kids that I was there
4. Labour because I agree with their general social policy and philosophy
On April 28 2010 23:26 MoltkeWarding wrote: The principle behind inheritance, whether of money or of rank, is not "fairness" but that an individual's labours may transcend his mortality, thereby giving a man's life continuity and meaning beyond the boundaries of birth and death. To rationalize the destruction of these most basic social bonds by a double subterfuge of assuming their impotence on one hand, and seeking to distribute those bonds indiscriminately to all humanity on the other, is to base castles on clouds.
This argument will never work for me. It is fluffy and abstract. No one needs or deserves more than an inheritance of something like £100k. Everything else should be taxed, not cripplingly but pretty hard. Especially over 1m. Any ridiculous arguments about transcending morality and breaking the boundaries between life and death just pale in comparison to providing healthcare and policing for all. Couldn't care less about the choices of the rich ppl who want to give lil Johnny boy £10m. Seriously, couldn't give one shit. Johnny boy's not in any trouble.
20 minutes til the final debate. Will anyone mention Duffygate? Will anyone go against the rules and break the format? This is it, crunch time.
On April 30 2010 01:59 sc4k wrote: I always liked Brown
I just can't understand how anyone could say that.
As chancellor he made grave errors with public finances. Then he bullied his way into power without being voted in. Then he bottled out of an election and hung on to power as long as possible; despite the vast majority of the public wanting him to go. He frequently misleads the public and refuses to ever admit when he's wrong. As I said before I would almost admire his tenacity if he actually had any of this so called substance he rattles on about. His credibility is shot yet he hangs on by his teeth.
His errors as chancellor I don't know much about. Regardless, competence has nothing to do with liking or disliking. Don't care about bullying into power- just shows he wants control and to lead the country- who doesn't? Election- that's a non-issue, of course they held on. Misleads the public, bah he does what any politician would...
I just like him as a person and I think he has principles. JUst like I like richard nixon even though he made some mistakes.
Brown bombed, his tactics in this series of debates has just been abyssmal.
Cameron ignored the questions as per usual and spat out shit he thinks the morons who are willing to vote for him would've liked to hear.
Clegg I believe (though I'm obviously very partial) came out tops by far, although on the economy he was pretty damn shit as the dynamics of the 1st half was just ping pong cameron brown he seemed to do very well during the questions and toward the end argued his point brilliantly.
Will be interesting to see the media's response to this one I've gotta say.
EPT
, something to tell the kids that I was there 
