In the end, the winners are the ones who bet correctly in the commodity market. If you can predict when the government will issue more debt or cut back on debt, then you know where to put your money in order to make the most on currency swaps. Guess who plays the commodity market correctly? That's right, international bankers.
The European Debt Crisis and the Euro - Page 20
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
In the end, the winners are the ones who bet correctly in the commodity market. If you can predict when the government will issue more debt or cut back on debt, then you know where to put your money in order to make the most on currency swaps. Guess who plays the commodity market correctly? That's right, international bankers. | ||
Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On May 27 2010 08:12 nard wrote: Money as Dept + Show Spoiler + http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544 That was really fucking scary. Dunno how i will even be able to sleep tonight. ![]() Oh well hopefully the system wont bring down the entire world once it implodes. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks closed lower Tuesday following new worries about Europe's debt problems. Treasury prices rose and gold settled at a new high as investors sought out safe assets. U.S. stocks followed European markets lower after news reports said banks in Europe may have more risky government debt on their books than was disclosed during "stress tests" earlier this year. That could mean fees from regulators and more capital-raising by the banks to bolster their balance sheets. Shares of major European banks including Barclays PLC and UBS fell, and the dollar rose against the euro. Source | ||
Apexplayer
United States406 Posts
Mod edit first post or wait and see what will happen in the next few days? | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
BERLIN (AP) -- The euro has slipped back below $1.27, giving up slight gains it made thanks to a relatively successful bond auction in Portugal. The euro bought $1.2693 in Thursday morning European trading, down from $1.2724 in New York late Wednesday. Strong investor interest in Wednesday's Portugese auction helped assuage concerns over the indebted country. Meanwhile, Ireland said it would split its most troubled financial institution, Anglo Irish Bank, as part of efforts to reassure lenders. Still, data showing German industrial production rose 0.1 percent on the month in July were disappointing. The British pound slid Thursday to $1.5437 from $1.5480. The dollar declined to 83.64 Japanese yen from 83.98 yen -- still above a 15-year low of 83.35 yen on Wednesday. Source SPLIT: Ireland plans to split its most troubled financial institution, Anglo Irish Bank, into a "good" deposit bank and a "bad" toxic-debt bank. The move comes as the nation seeks to reassure international lenders that it is dealing with the Irish debt crisis. BAIL OUT: The government has already plowed nearly euro23 billion ($29 billion) into the specialist lender. Analysts warn that the bill could top euro35 billion — a fifth of Irish GDP. STUNNING FAILURE: Anglo recorded more losses than any other bank worldwide in 2009 and appears on course to do the same this year. Source | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
DUBLIN (AP) -- Ireland will have to pump euro12 billion ($16 billion) more into the country's crippled banking system, dealing more grief to shellshocked Irish taxpayers. Coupled with the downgrade of Spain's bonds by a third ratings agency, the news Thursday from Dublin provided more evidence that Europe has not shed the debt troubles that shook the continent this spring as Greece teetered on the edge of bankruptcy. Irish government leaders described the total bill to fix their banks, about euro45 billion ($60 billion), as "horrible" -- but manageable. The bailout will swell Ireland's deficit this year to a staggering 32 percent of economic output, the biggest in post-World War II Europe. Source | ||
jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Ah and the SNP were trying to hold Ireland up as an example of a successful economy that an independent Scotland could emulate, lol. Damn you Alex Salmond! | ||
Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On March 01 2010 15:03 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: Greece can't pay its debts. So the EU, especially Germany, is wondering what to do. I hadn't thought too much about this and didn't think that it was a big deal. But then I read this article that claims that without precise actions the "euro may not survive." The article also mentions that even if the Greek crisis is dealt with that is only the beginning of the problem because there is a lot of debt in other countries, especially Spain, as well. So, please tell me how you see this difficult time in Europe playing itself out. Article Mod Edit: This is serious business. Anyone who posts trash in this thread will be banned. American poster talking about Euro debt? Take a look at your 13.6 Trillion, and what 14 trillion+ in liabilities first thanks. That being said, bad times all round, nobody is going to come well off any of this, we need a global economy to function at this current level of lifestyle, but we prove over and over again we are incapable of running even micro economies smoothly, never mind global economies. Much thanks to "Steady growth" and people becoming lobotomised by the industrial revolution, 99% useless idiots without a clue how to survive without things gift wrapped. Myself included. User was warned for this post | ||
TheNihilist
United States178 Posts
On October 18 2010 04:25 Scrimpton wrote: American poster talking about Euro debt? Take a look at your 13.6 Trillion, and what 14 trillion+ in liabilities first thanks. That being said, bad times all round, nobody is going to come well off any of this, we need a global economy to function at this current level of lifestyle, but we prove over and over again we are incapable of running even micro economies smoothly, never mind global economies. Much thanks to "Steady growth" and people becoming lobotomised by the industrial revolution, 99% useless idiots without a clue how to survive without things gift wrapped. Myself included. Many European countries are ahead of the U.S. in terms of public debt as a percentage of GDP including the United Kingdom, France, Italy, and Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
DUBLIN – Europe's debt crisis spread widening ripples Monday, with Irish officials denying that their talks with other eurozone governments were aimed at getting a bailout, while the Greek Prime Minister accused Germany of making things worse with talk of forcing creditors to take losses. The flare-up in tension adds to pressure on EU finance ministers, who will be in Brussels Tuesday for their monthly meeting. After spending their recent gatherings focusing on crisis prevention, a weeklong sell-off of Irish and Portuguese bonds has thrown them back into crisis management. The Irish Department of Finance said in a statement Monday it was pursuing "contacts at official level" with other eurozone governments and the EU, but aides to Finance Minister Brian Lenihan emphasized Ireland has no need for a lifeline from the euro750 billion financial backstop for the eurozone. Ireland says it had enough cash to last through mid-2011. Source | ||
Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
I will say this however: the European Union seems to be damn excellent at dodging financial crisis somehow. | ||
WindOw
Sweden407 Posts
The dollar is plummeting, again and yeah... the trend for the euro seem to be the same. The major diffrence is that the dollar has been falling all along since about 2001 compared to the euro thats been dropping quite hard whole of this year. (I would also like to remind everyone that, even if the dollar crashed, it would certainly affect europe, and vice versa in the end) I'm not sure what this is indicating but looking at the trend right now it's not positive. At the same time the value of gold has skyrocketed, why? Probably because most of the world currencies are getting more and more inflated would be my guess, more and more people starting to invest in it aswell.. But as I said, I'm no expert here and I'm just trying to figure stuff out. With these things in mind we should start looking on "what might happen" - if, we eventually face a economic disaster. My theory is that a plan for this is already set in motion by the economic and political factors of the western world. (Note: This might cross over to what can be considered as a conspiracy theory, oh save us from the alien invasion.. Well actually it isn't so conspiratorial if you really think about it, read below). A global currency might be introduced to "save us all", if this does happen; imo, it's a trap. A trap we will be unable to escape, we will basically be forced to borrow money from the banks. Remember that the banks are not charity organizations, they are also corporations looking to make profit on people like all other corporations. This lead me to thoughts about economic manipulation... ("Money as debt" and stuff beyond that) I won't go further here now though. But before I part I would like to leave a statment; If you have plenty of money, you can make plenty more, easily. Discuss! | ||
domovoi
United States1478 Posts
Also, let me just emphasize one thing that a lot of people don't realize: inflation is good (a little bit of it anyway). Except for stupid dick measuring contests on the internet, it's not necessarily bad for a currency to depreciate. It certainly does not indicate anything close to a currency's "collapse." Why do you think China keeps insisting on pegging the RMB to the dollar? The RMB could go way up in value if China loosened its capital controls. | ||
WindOw
Sweden407 Posts
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
Ever since the massive extension of the EU to lesser economies,everybody knows in the original 6 that EU will eventually not collapse,but more cool off like a sun.Same thing for the Eurozone. A new entity will rise with the original 6 +some more.We'll find a way to kick burden states out without being too direct,through some obscure law,but the result will be the same. It saddenes me that this HAS to happen,because countries like Greece are what defines Europe in the first place,but economics are what rules the world right now. | ||
Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
in greece this happened as a mandate from the imf and eu and attributed to the general fail of the corrupt government and the citizens, since the popular opinion is that u get what government u deserve as a population in spain, portugal, great britain and whoever else im not aware of there is no such mandate, there is only the fear the greece situation instilled in those populations and... acceptance the end result is that money is steadily flowing to the very very rich, the gap in living standards between rich and poor widens and this is amazingly also seen as fair and lawful and how it should be, like in the old days nobles were nobles because it was fair and lawful and how it should be but with a bit of macroeconomic spicing to muddle things a bit since populations have grown a bit more insightful over the years this is admittedly better than having to go to war every couple of decades so the rich have something to do but still ![]() as an aside, the euro / dollar back in march when this topic was started was 1.3525, today it is ... 1.3626, with various rumor fueled fluctuations over the year, just what you'd expect to see at a poker table but with a much smoother, relaxing curve! | ||
AlexDeLarge
Romania218 Posts
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