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darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
June 04 2010 19:39 GMT
#381
Greece, because it's part of the EURO cannot just inflate away their debt. Even if greece had their own currency the end result is the same just hidden. With their own currency, people holding the currency take a loss to their savings, with the EURO, the EURO takes a loss if there is inflation. Maybe this will teach Greece responsibility and the dangers of government debt. The United states would be in the same problem, but the government has learned to introduce inflation at low rates every year thereby discouraging savings.

In the end, the winners are the ones who bet correctly in the commodity market. If you can predict when the government will issue more debt or cut back on debt, then you know where to put your money in order to make the most on currency swaps. Guess who plays the commodity market correctly? That's right, international bankers.
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Kreedit
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden373 Posts
June 04 2010 21:07 GMT
#382
On May 27 2010 08:12 nard wrote:
Money as Dept
+ Show Spoiler +
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544



That was really fucking scary.

Dunno how i will even be able to sleep tonight.

Oh well hopefully the system wont bring down the entire world once it implodes.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 08 2010 06:46 GMT
#383
Bump worthy?


NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks closed lower Tuesday following new worries about Europe's debt problems. Treasury prices rose and gold settled at a new high as investors sought out safe assets.

U.S. stocks followed European markets lower after news reports said banks in Europe may have more risky government debt on their books than was disclosed during "stress tests" earlier this year. That could mean fees from regulators and more capital-raising by the banks to bolster their balance sheets.

Shares of major European banks including Barclays PLC and UBS fell, and the dollar rose against the euro.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Apexplayer
Profile Joined September 2009
United States406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 07:09:22
September 08 2010 07:08 GMT
#384
Certainly stealth, good post...
Mod edit first post or wait and see what will happen in the next few days?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 07:13:47
September 09 2010 07:11 GMT
#385

BERLIN (AP) -- The euro has slipped back below $1.27, giving up slight gains it made thanks to a relatively successful bond auction in Portugal.

The euro bought $1.2693 in Thursday morning European trading, down from $1.2724 in New York late Wednesday.

Strong investor interest in Wednesday's Portugese auction helped assuage concerns over the indebted country. Meanwhile, Ireland said it would split its most troubled financial institution, Anglo Irish Bank, as part of efforts to reassure lenders.

Still, data showing German industrial production rose 0.1 percent on the month in July were disappointing.

The British pound slid Thursday to $1.5437 from $1.5480. The dollar declined to 83.64 Japanese yen from 83.98 yen -- still above a 15-year low of 83.35 yen on Wednesday.


Source


SPLIT: Ireland plans to split its most troubled financial institution, Anglo Irish Bank, into a "good" deposit bank and a "bad" toxic-debt bank. The move comes as the nation seeks to reassure international lenders that it is dealing with the Irish debt crisis.

BAIL OUT: The government has already plowed nearly euro23 billion ($29 billion) into the specialist lender. Analysts warn that the bill could top euro35 billion — a fifth of Irish GDP.

STUNNING FAILURE: Anglo recorded more losses than any other bank worldwide in 2009 and appears on course to do the same this year.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 30 2010 18:57 GMT
#386

DUBLIN (AP) -- Ireland will have to pump euro12 billion ($16 billion) more into the country's crippled banking system, dealing more grief to shellshocked Irish taxpayers.

Coupled with the downgrade of Spain's bonds by a third ratings agency, the news Thursday from Dublin provided more evidence that Europe has not shed the debt troubles that shook the continent this spring as Greece teetered on the edge of bankruptcy.

Irish government leaders described the total bill to fix their banks, about euro45 billion ($60 billion), as "horrible" -- but manageable. The bailout will swell Ireland's deficit this year to a staggering 32 percent of economic output, the biggest in post-World War II Europe.


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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
September 30 2010 21:29 GMT
#387
On October 01 2010 03:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +

DUBLIN (AP) -- Ireland will have to pump euro12 billion ($16 billion) more into the country's crippled banking system, dealing more grief to shellshocked Irish taxpayers.

Coupled with the downgrade of Spain's bonds by a third ratings agency, the news Thursday from Dublin provided more evidence that Europe has not shed the debt troubles that shook the continent this spring as Greece teetered on the edge of bankruptcy.

Irish government leaders described the total bill to fix their banks, about euro45 billion ($60 billion), as "horrible" -- but manageable. The bailout will swell Ireland's deficit this year to a staggering 32 percent of economic output, the biggest in post-World War II Europe.


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Ah and the SNP were trying to hold Ireland up as an example of a successful economy that an independent Scotland could emulate, lol. Damn you Alex Salmond!
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
October 17 2010 16:39 GMT
#388
Is the DOLLAR going down ?
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
October 17 2010 18:24 GMT
#389
dollar gonna be at a all-time low here in sweden if it continues to go down , its almost down to 6 SEK (it was 9+ just a few years ago), thats a 30% decrease in value
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
October 17 2010 19:25 GMT
#390
On March 01 2010 15:03 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:
Greece can't pay its debts. So the EU, especially Germany, is wondering what to do. I hadn't thought too much about this and didn't think that it was a big deal. But then I read this article that claims that without precise actions the "euro may not survive." The article also mentions that even if the Greek crisis is dealt with that is only the beginning of the problem because there is a lot of debt in other countries, especially Spain, as well. So, please tell me how you see this difficult time in Europe playing itself out.

Article

Mod Edit: This is serious business. Anyone who posts trash in this thread will be banned.



American poster talking about Euro debt? Take a look at your 13.6 Trillion, and what 14 trillion+ in liabilities first thanks.

That being said, bad times all round, nobody is going to come well off any of this, we need a global economy to function at this current level of lifestyle, but we prove over and over again we are incapable of running even micro economies smoothly, never mind global economies.

Much thanks to "Steady growth" and people becoming lobotomised by the industrial revolution, 99% useless idiots without a clue how to survive without things gift wrapped. Myself included.

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TheNihilist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States178 Posts
October 17 2010 20:56 GMT
#391
On October 18 2010 04:25 Scrimpton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2010 15:03 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:
Greece can't pay its debts. So the EU, especially Germany, is wondering what to do. I hadn't thought too much about this and didn't think that it was a big deal. But then I read this article that claims that without precise actions the "euro may not survive." The article also mentions that even if the Greek crisis is dealt with that is only the beginning of the problem because there is a lot of debt in other countries, especially Spain, as well. So, please tell me how you see this difficult time in Europe playing itself out.

Article

Mod Edit: This is serious business. Anyone who posts trash in this thread will be banned.



American poster talking about Euro debt? Take a look at your 13.6 Trillion, and what 14 trillion+ in liabilities first thanks.

That being said, bad times all round, nobody is going to come well off any of this, we need a global economy to function at this current level of lifestyle, but we prove over and over again we are incapable of running even micro economies smoothly, never mind global economies.

Much thanks to "Steady growth" and people becoming lobotomised by the industrial revolution, 99% useless idiots without a clue how to survive without things gift wrapped. Myself included.


Many European countries are ahead of the U.S. in terms of public debt as a percentage of GDP including the United Kingdom, France, Italy, and Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt


{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 16 2010 06:19 GMT
#392

DUBLIN – Europe's debt crisis spread widening ripples Monday, with Irish officials denying that their talks with other eurozone governments were aimed at getting a bailout, while the Greek Prime Minister accused Germany of making things worse with talk of forcing creditors to take losses.

The flare-up in tension adds to pressure on EU finance ministers, who will be in Brussels Tuesday for their monthly meeting.

After spending their recent gatherings focusing on crisis prevention, a weeklong sell-off of Irish and Portuguese bonds has thrown them back into crisis management.

The Irish Department of Finance said in a statement Monday it was pursuing "contacts at official level" with other eurozone governments and the EU, but aides to Finance Minister Brian Lenihan emphasized Ireland has no need for a lifeline from the euro750 billion financial backstop for the eurozone. Ireland says it had enough cash to last through mid-2011.


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Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 06:22:23
November 16 2010 06:21 GMT
#393
I don't know whether i should be glad or not that Denmark didn't get in on the Euro, because we're pretty dependant on the Euro even if we don't have it here..

I will say this however: the European Union seems to be damn excellent at dodging financial crisis somehow.
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WindOw
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden407 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 08:02:41
November 16 2010 07:57 GMT
#394
I'm not really into economics hence I'm not a expert in this area however with some googling and common sense I can see two major things going on.

The dollar is plummeting, again and yeah... the trend for the euro seem to be the same.
The major diffrence is that the dollar has been falling all along since about 2001 compared to the euro thats been dropping quite hard whole of this year. (I would also like to remind everyone that, even if the dollar crashed, it would certainly affect europe, and vice versa in the end)

I'm not sure what this is indicating but looking at the trend right now it's not positive.
At the same time the value of gold has skyrocketed, why?
Probably because most of the world currencies are getting more and more inflated would be my guess, more and more people starting to invest in it aswell..
But as I said, I'm no expert here and I'm just trying to figure stuff out.

With these things in mind we should start looking on "what might happen" - if, we eventually face a economic disaster. My theory is that a plan for this is already set in motion by the economic and political factors of the western world.

(Note: This might cross over to what can be considered as a conspiracy theory, oh save us from the alien invasion.. Well actually it isn't so conspiratorial if you really think about it, read below).

A global currency might be introduced to "save us all", if this does happen; imo, it's a trap.
A trap we will be unable to escape, we will basically be forced to borrow money from the banks.
Remember that the banks are not charity organizations, they are also corporations looking to make profit on people like all other corporations.

This lead me to thoughts about economic manipulation... ("Money as debt" and stuff beyond that)
I won't go further here now though. But before I part I would like to leave a statment;

If you have plenty of money, you can make plenty more, easily.

Discuss!
AKA WindOw[InCa] (BW) | TheMisT (SC2) | NaNiwa FC founder
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:14:14
November 16 2010 09:10 GMT
#395
A global currency would be a terrible idea, just as terrible as the Euro idea, except on a much larger scale. Why has the euro been a terrible idea? Because European labor markets are not fully integrated like they are in the US, so macroeconomic situation of each member state can be quite varied. On the one hand, you have Germany which is doing pretty well and has mostly recovered from its recession. On the other hand, you have Greece, which is getting closer and closer to bankruptcy because its economy is still in a recession and it can no longer raise enough revenue to sustain governmental services. The macroeconomic policy prescription for each country is the complete opposite of the other. If they were not under a unified currency, Germany could begin appreciating its currency to prevent any overheating of its economy and Greece could get the inflation that it so sorely needs by printing more Greece bucks. Unfortunately, Greece can't do jack about its macroeconomic troubles, because Germany controls the ECB and Germany does what's best for Germany. Greece is stuck with deflation, and even worse, has pressure from the IMF and Germany to reduce its debt, a pretty stupid idea when your country is still in a recession. But that's what happens when you lose your monetary independence and have to rely on Germany to save you.

Also, let me just emphasize one thing that a lot of people don't realize: inflation is good (a little bit of it anyway). Except for stupid dick measuring contests on the internet, it's not necessarily bad for a currency to depreciate. It certainly does not indicate anything close to a currency's "collapse." Why do you think China keeps insisting on pegging the RMB to the dollar? The RMB could go way up in value if China loosened its capital controls.
WindOw
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden407 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 09:29:01
November 16 2010 09:13 GMT
#396
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/08/imf-documents-illustrate-plan-turn-drawing-rights-global-currency/



AKA WindOw[InCa] (BW) | TheMisT (SC2) | NaNiwa FC founder
clementdudu
Profile Joined September 2010
France819 Posts
November 16 2010 14:24 GMT
#397
Eurozone is bound to die....to rise from its ashes.
Ever since the massive extension of the EU to lesser economies,everybody knows in the original 6 that EU will eventually not collapse,but more cool off like a sun.Same thing for the Eurozone.
A new entity will rise with the original 6 +some more.We'll find a way to kick burden states out without being too direct,through some obscure law,but the result will be the same.

It saddenes me that this HAS to happen,because countries like Greece are what defines Europe in the first place,but economics are what rules the world right now.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
November 16 2010 14:59 GMT
#398
There is just not a proper match between the northern countrys such as france, netherlands, belgium, germany and the southern countries like spain, portugal, Italy, greece. There should have just been a northern european union
Taguchi
Profile Joined February 2003
Greece1575 Posts
November 16 2010 15:22 GMT
#399
the major point of this crisis that no one talks about is that a whole bunch of countries are cutting spending, reducing wages, hiking up taxes and generally taking money from the population to pay off their lenders, ie basically the very very rich people, and people are mostly ok with it!

in greece this happened as a mandate from the imf and eu and attributed to the general fail of the corrupt government and the citizens, since the popular opinion is that u get what government u deserve as a population

in spain, portugal, great britain and whoever else im not aware of there is no such mandate, there is only the fear the greece situation instilled in those populations and... acceptance

the end result is that money is steadily flowing to the very very rich, the gap in living standards between rich and poor widens and this is amazingly also seen as fair and lawful and how it should be, like in the old days nobles were nobles because it was fair and lawful and how it should be but with a bit of macroeconomic spicing to muddle things a bit since populations have grown a bit more insightful over the years

this is admittedly better than having to go to war every couple of decades so the rich have something to do but still

as an aside, the euro / dollar back in march when this topic was started was 1.3525, today it is ... 1.3626, with various rumor fueled fluctuations over the year, just what you'd expect to see at a poker table but with a much smoother, relaxing curve!
Great minds might think alike, but fastest hands rule the day~
AlexDeLarge
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania218 Posts
November 16 2010 15:33 GMT
#400
@ Rothbardian and a few others with great and intelligent replies, just out of curiosity.. how old are you guys and what is your background/education?
Its only after we’ve lost everything that we’re free to do anything
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