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hey guys I don't know shit about this either, and there seem to be some knowledgeable people here. I also need to prime for SC2!
I got these things:
Nvidia geforce 7950 GTX
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5N32 motherboard
2GB of Corsair DDR2 ram...DRAM frequency 400 mhz, whatever that means 
some 400w power supply
Can or should I use anything of this looking forward, or go for an overhaul? I'm thinking the ATI radeon 5750 looks nice because of price + DX11, but then again maybe it will be too weak for many DX11 games and it's better to wait for the 5850 to go down in price or something...Also, do I need a different motherboard and such to run radeon? I am so clueless I shake my head at myself.
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so here is my most recent try of putting something together 
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Decide on your gpu by taking your monitor in consideration. What is the native resolution? If you have a big ass monitor with very high native resolution, you need lots of memory on your videocard. If you still use a 19" running 1024x768 don't even bother getting a videocard with 1GB memory unless you want to upgrade your monitor along the way.
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On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:so here is my most recent try of putting something together
I have the same CPU and mobo
I think the 4850 could still be an option if you can get it for 90 euros.
I mean the 5750 has Dx11 but is it worth 25 euros ? i doubt.
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atm i have a crappy old 15" monitor but im going to get a 17" or 19" monitor.
i use 1024x768 right now, but i plan on going a bit higher with a new monitor -> but i cant buy a monitor right now, its a plan for the near future.
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On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI. The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap. cpu bottleneck article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.htmlathlon x4 620 games performance http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money. This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.
Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following:
GTS 250 512mb ram
AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz
4gig DDR2 Ram
Gigabyte board AM2socket board.
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get good GPU, dont ever skimp on the GPU
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On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:so here is my most recent try of putting something together
ok. so am i good to go with this?
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On February 22 2010 01:42 sc4k wrote:hey guys I don't know shit about this either, and there seem to be some knowledgeable people here. I also need to prime for SC2! I got these things: Nvidia geforce 7950 GTX Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Asus P5N32 motherboard 2GB of Corsair DDR2 ram...DRAM frequency 400 mhz, whatever that means some 400w power supply Can or should I use anything of this looking forward, or go for an overhaul? I'm thinking the ATI radeon 5750 looks nice because of price + DX11, but then again maybe it will be too weak for many DX11 games and it's better to wait for the 5850 to go down in price or something...Also, do I need a different motherboard and such to run radeon? I am so clueless I shake my head at myself.
Since you haven't posted enough details on your psu, I 'm going to play safe and advice a HD 5670 so you won't blow up your pc
On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:so here is my most recent try of putting something together
I don't trust the psu, does it have a label?
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I do think it can run the system fine. Also try to find some cheaper ram
On February 22 2010 02:58 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI. The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap. cpu bottleneck article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.htmlathlon x4 620 games performance http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money. This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price. Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following: GTS 250 512mb ram AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz 4gig DDR2 Ram Gigabyte board AM2socket board.
Most likely a cpu bottleneck. Go to the Gigabyte site and look for you motherboard, if gigabyte has released a bios with support for AM3 cpu's you can upgrade to an athlon II/phenom II cpu
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Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory
Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of:
You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.).
This comp would last you for years.
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On February 22 2010 03:50 Manit0u wrote:Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of: You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.). This comp would last you for years.
actually that setup would be only faster in single core optimized apps.
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if you are running a 32 bit operating system then 2g or 3x1g would be better as windows in 32 bit doesnt actually make use of all the memory of 4g, thats assuming you have 32 bit OS, could save a little money.
as for your latest spec, looks good to me.
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On February 22 2010 03:50 Manit0u wrote:Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of: You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.). This comp would last you for years.
The new i5 are too expensive. The only i5 worth all this money is the i5-750.
Also Nvidia isn't competitive atm.
955 BE + 5770 > your config but anyway those two configs are too expensive for a 400 euros budget.
It is 500 euros lol
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According to the benchmarks released of SC2 by the legion hardware guys, the 4850/70/90 are all pretty underwhelming. I would go for the 5750 to be honest if playing SC2 with that graphics card was my main goal.
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So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:
AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II
all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€
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On February 22 2010 21:45 green.at wrote:
So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:
AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II
all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€
Why not get rid of the quad and get a couple more gigs of RAM? probably would offer better performance. I'm convinced a well OC'd (3.6ghz+) Athlon II X2 will work just fine, and be a good amount cheaper.
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well i plan on getting more RAM later.
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On February 22 2010 02:58 UdderChaos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI. The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap. cpu bottleneck article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.htmlathlon x4 620 games performance http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money. This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price. Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following: GTS 250 512mb ram AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz 4gig DDR2 Ram Gigabyte board AM2socket board.
TF2 is one of the exceptions. It's well known that it requires far more CPU than GPU.
edit: To actually answer your question you should buy the highest clocked/overclockable cpu you can afford, if TF2 is all you care about. Game doesn't scale with more than 2 threads, I'm pretty sure.
2nd edit: Actually now that I think about it - back when I was still playing TF2 - people with 3.6ghz+ C2Duos would often complain about bad dips exactly like yours. How much weight this holds, I don't know. Overall I'd say it's not a terribly well optimized game.
You could certainly get better performance with any overclocked c2d/i3/i5 750/phenom II.
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Can someone pls give me an OK on my latest specs
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On February 22 2010 21:45 green.at wrote:
So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:
AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II
all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€
ok looks fine
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