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green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-22 14:05:59
February 20 2010 14:43 GMT
#1
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Heho TL,

As i'm not an expert on hardware i hope some of you guys can help me out.

I got a recomendation to buy this setup:

AMD Athlon II X4 620 Box AM3
78,74 €

Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
44,97 €

4GB-Kit A-Data XPG-G PC3-10667 CL8
86,59 €

BE Quiet! Pure Power 430 Watt / BQT L7
40,02 €

MSI 785GM-E51, Sockel AM3, mATX, PCIe
65,74 €

MSI N240GT-MD512-OC/D5, 512MB, PCI-Express
78,81 €

Do you think this will be enough to run starcraft2 on high details (i dont mean the beta),
and if this is overall a good setup. I know there are only requirements for the beta but i think its predictable if this will work or not ( i cant predict it but i'm confident someone here can:D )

Thanks in advance fellow TLusers.


It is finaly done :D

i go with:

AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II

Thanks to all who helped me with this. TL rocks!
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Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
February 20 2010 14:52 GMT
#2
i think your good to go with that setup, only thing that may restrict playing it on the highest detail is the graphics card, but i doubt it.

man its saddening how much more money i spent a year ago, for a computer not nearly as powerful as this one..
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
February 20 2010 14:53 GMT
#3
Buy cheapest possible memory and good quality power.
Progamertwitter.com/welmu1 | twitch.com/Welmu1
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
February 20 2010 14:57 GMT
#4
On February 20 2010 23:53 Welmu wrote:
Buy cheapest possible memory and good quality power if you want to waste your money.


Welmu forgot part of his recommendation so I added it for him. You get what you pay for with memory.
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
February 20 2010 14:58 GMT
#5
this will run sc2 on high details with ease. maybe you want to spend a little more on the graphics part (for example radeon 5750 or 5770) to get directx 11 support and some more fps in general.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 15:25:20
February 20 2010 14:59 GMT
#6
nvm didn't see the GT240


edit: The x4 620 is pretty good but i think you can find better price/performance ratio than the GT240
brb checking prices.*

there is a 4850 for 94$ on Newgg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102824&cm_re=4850-_-14-102-824-_-Product

mmm since you are from Austria you probably won't buy stuff at newgg but i think you should take a look to the prices of the 4850.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
February 20 2010 15:39 GMT
#7
What resolution will you be running at? The gt240 isn't bad, but it's a bit underwhelming for its price. I'd also stay well away from no name power supplies. Decent brands only cost a little bit more and they're significantly better, most of the time.

Maybe link an online store you are buying from too. I've little knowledge on Austrian prices, if that's where you are.
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 15:40:58
February 20 2010 15:40 GMT
#8
The only two things are: to maybe wait, seeing as nvidia will bring out thier fermi cards soon, porbally dropping the price of the gt240. And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 20 2010 15:43 GMT
#9
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
The only two things are: to maybe wait, seeing as nvidia will bring out thier fermi cards soon, porbally dropping the price of the gt240. And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.

The athlon II x4 620 is a quad -.-
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 20 2010 15:57 GMT
#10
On February 21 2010 00:43 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
The only two things are: to maybe wait, seeing as nvidia will bring out thier fermi cards soon, porbally dropping the price of the gt240. And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.

The athlon II x4 620 is a quad -.-


lololololoololololol

but yeah, you're good to go... starcraft 2 on max settings might lag a little imo, but that's not too big a deal.
:)
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 20 2010 15:58 GMT
#11
thanks so far. i check for prices of the parts when i get home.
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faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 16:38:33
February 20 2010 16:10 GMT
#12
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.



I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI.

The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap.

cpu bottleneck article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.html

athlon x4 620 games performance
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8



Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money.

This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 16:39:36
February 20 2010 16:39 GMT
#13
On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.



I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI.

The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap.

cpu bottleneck article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.html

athlon x4 620 games performance
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8

This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.


Like i said i may be wrong, and I am it seems ^^ that article is a real eye opener didn't realise how ridiculously one sided gaming was! Thanks for the lesson :D
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
jetpower
Profile Joined July 2007
Poland85 Posts
February 20 2010 18:20 GMT
#14
I would personally buy Radeon HD5670 instead of GT240. It is a faster card and about the same price (if not cheaper).
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18288/5
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 20 2010 18:28 GMT
#15
ok now

i have to say i dont mind spending a bit more if i can get something much better

so i see it like this: you guys want me to exchange the graphics card?
the options are 4770/4850/gts 250 and radeon HD5670
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 18:33:28
February 20 2010 18:32 GMT
#16
I don't see why you're getting the x4 620.
It would be better to get the x2 240 or x3 410, and just overclock them a good amount. This would be cheaper and allow you to get a better graphics card (by about $30) so you could have a much better video card.

On February 21 2010 03:20 jetpower wrote:
I would personally buy Radeon HD5670 instead of GT240. It is a faster card and about the same price (if not cheaper).
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18288/5

Not only that, but the new 5570 actually isn't that bad. Its faster than a 4670 (especially when overclocked) and is a great performer for it's price.
U Gotta Skate.
faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 18:44:04
February 20 2010 18:40 GMT
#17
The big question is what resolution do you run or intend to run? And also to clarify is 400 euros the limit of your budget? or just the cost of this build?


The 5670 like the gt 240 is pretty poor value imho.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 20 2010 20:02 GMT
#18
The 5670 is a pretty terrible value. The 240 GT is a fine card at its price and should play SC2 just fine.

If you can, you should switch it out for a 4850 1GB. It will offer much better performance, and allow high details at higher resolutions. The 240 might not be able to handle high details at higher resolutions!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
flamez[666]
Profile Joined February 2010
11 Posts
February 20 2010 20:49 GMT
#19
AMD Athlon II X2 250
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3
4GB G.Skill 1333MHz CL7
HD 5670 or HD 4770 or 9800 GT
be quiet Pure Power 350W
Samsung F3 500GB

Look here : http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=215394
hubson
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden93 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 21:01:40
February 20 2010 20:59 GMT
#20
On February 21 2010 05:49 flamez[666] wrote:
AMD Athlon II X2 250
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3
4GB G.Skill 1333MHz CL7
HD 5670 or HD 4770 or 9800 GT
be quiet Pure Power 350W
Samsung F3 500GB

Look here : http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=215394

those graphic cards are so outdated however have very good performance. (ok except 5670)
430W PSU is absolute minimum for the setup you suggested!! go for 500W, it is just slightly more expensive
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
February 20 2010 21:02 GMT
#21
better card, the rest seems good to go
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 20 2010 21:02 GMT
#22
depends on the PSU you buy. A 9800 might need extra watts, but running 4770 on 400W isn't exactly hard.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
February 20 2010 22:33 GMT
#23
I'm buying a new PC next week too. A 19inch monitor will cost me ~120euro and then I plan to spend like 400euro for the computer. Here is what I thought:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93Ghz
Video: Nvidia GeForce 9800GT
Ram: 4GB

Any thoughts on this? I'm not a computer expert; I just like Intel/Nvidia, and picked what seemed the best options for a 400euro PC.
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
February 20 2010 22:34 GMT
#24
i should really need a new pc.
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
flamez[666]
Profile Joined February 2010
11 Posts
February 20 2010 22:58 GMT
#25
On February 21 2010 05:59 hubson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 05:49 flamez[666] wrote:
AMD Athlon II X2 250
Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3
4GB G.Skill 1333MHz CL7
HD 5670 or HD 4770 or 9800 GT
be quiet Pure Power 350W
Samsung F3 500GB

Look here : http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=215394

those graphic cards are so outdated however have very good performance. (ok except 5670)
430W PSU is absolute minimum for the setup you suggested!! go for 500W, it is just slightly more expensive


Sure the cards are outdated but they have good price-performance ratio.

a 350W PSU sure can run the setup. You can check here : http://www.enermax.outervision.com/PSUEngine. But as you suggested, a 430W PSU cost just like 5€ more and have some reserve capacity for later upgrade.

Don't go for a 4850 because with ~ 100€ u can buy a 5750, quicker and more energy-efficient + DX11.
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
February 21 2010 12:01 GMT
#26
please could the op post the full spec when he's decided? I'm going to build a computer when I get chance (which may be soonish) so it would be really useful.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 13:03 GMT
#27
On February 21 2010 21:01 betaben wrote:
please could the op post the full spec when he's decided? I'm going to build a computer when I get chance (which may be soonish) so it would be really useful.


I will. But I'm somekind of lost with all this recommendations.

I think about the 5750 (btw what brand is it, im a real hardware noob sry)
do i need to change the power supply too in this case?
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
February 21 2010 13:05 GMT
#28
5750 is made by ATI ( AMD )
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 13:07 GMT
#29
this one?

http://www3.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28913&agid=1004
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flamez[666]
Profile Joined February 2010
11 Posts
February 21 2010 13:26 GMT
#30
AMD produced chips and reference design. Another Vendors ( Asus, MSI, Club3d, Powercolor, Sapphire...) sell cards with their own design (mostly another fan) and cards with reference design too.
The quality ist almost the same, so you can take the cheapest one u can find.

I recommend a Price Search Engine like Geizhals.at

http://geizhals.at/?cat=gra16_512&asuch=5750&sort=p
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 13:35 GMT
#31
ok i give it another try

AMD Athlon II X4 620 Box AM3
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
4GB-Kit A-Data XPG-G PC3-10667 CL8
BE Quiet! Pure Power 430 Watt / BQT L7
MSI 785GM-E51, Sockel AM3, mATX, PCIe
Club3D Radeon 5750 1024MB, ATI Radeon 5750, PCI-Express

I think this is almost the final build -> unless i need to exchange the power supply.
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Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 21 2010 14:15 GMT
#32
On February 21 2010 22:35 green.at wrote:
ok i give it another try

AMD Athlon II X4 620 Box AM3
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
4GB-Kit A-Data XPG-G PC3-10667 CL8
BE Quiet! Pure Power 430 Watt / BQT L7
MSI 785GM-E51, Sockel AM3, mATX, PCIe
Club3D Radeon 5750 1024MB, ATI Radeon 5750, PCI-Express

I think this is almost the final build -> unless i need to exchange the power supply.


your motherboard has an integrated gfx, get a 770 motherboard
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
February 21 2010 14:23 GMT
#33
I agree with Pakje. mATX = micro board. Less expansion slots and significantly smaller than a regular ATX motherboard, usually for about the same price of a lower/mid end board.
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 21 2010 14:24 GMT
#34
On February 21 2010 07:33 cyclone25 wrote:
I'm buying a new PC next week too. A 19inch monitor will cost me ~120euro and then I plan to spend like 400euro for the computer. Here is what I thought:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93Ghz
Video: Nvidia GeForce 9800GT
Ram: 4GB

Any thoughts on this? I'm not a computer expert; I just like Intel/Nvidia, and picked what seemed the best options for a 400euro PC.


CPU: outdated technology
Video: same
Ram: I'm not sure you can squeeze 4 gig in a 400euro computer

for that budget the parts will look more like this
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 15:00 GMT
#35
@Pakje
the problem is i cant find a 770 on the site i want to order from..

http://www.hardwareversand.de
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flamez[666]
Profile Joined February 2010
11 Posts
February 21 2010 15:33 GMT
#36
i typed 770 at the search bar and found a ton of 770:
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=26970&agid=1232
vonkillburn
Profile Joined September 2009
1 Post
February 21 2010 15:44 GMT
#37
Like it was mentioned before. Go for at least 500W PSU. I'm not sure if 430W will even be able to handle all this stuff and if it will, it's going to run at it's full capacity thus being louder than 500W on lesser load.
flamez[666]
Profile Joined February 2010
11 Posts
February 21 2010 15:46 GMT
#38
btw with if u want an intel PC

[image loading]
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
February 21 2010 16:05 GMT
#39
How about a Radeon 4850 for the graphics card?
http://geizhals.at/a406223.html
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 16:45:57
February 21 2010 16:08 GMT
#40
edit2: omg im a noob :D

im going to post a picture of what i have in a sec.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
February 21 2010 16:42 GMT
#41
hey guys I don't know shit about this either, and there seem to be some knowledgeable people here. I also need to prime for SC2!

I got these things:

Nvidia geforce 7950 GTX
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5N32 motherboard
2GB of Corsair DDR2 ram...DRAM frequency 400 mhz, whatever that means
some 400w power supply

Can or should I use anything of this looking forward, or go for an overhaul? I'm thinking the ATI radeon 5750 looks nice because of price + DX11, but then again maybe it will be too weak for many DX11 games and it's better to wait for the 5850 to go down in price or something...Also, do I need a different motherboard and such to run radeon? I am so clueless I shake my head at myself.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 16:58:57
February 21 2010 16:58 GMT
#42
so here is my most recent try of putting something together

[image loading]

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Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
February 21 2010 17:00 GMT
#43
Decide on your gpu by taking your monitor in consideration. What is the native resolution? If you have a big ass monitor with very high native resolution, you need lots of memory on your videocard. If you still use a 19" running 1024x768 don't even bother getting a videocard with 1GB memory unless you want to upgrade your monitor along the way.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 17:02:52
February 21 2010 17:01 GMT
#44
On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:
so here is my most recent try of putting something together

[image loading]


I have the same CPU and mobo

I think the 4850 could still be an option if you can get it for 90 euros.
I mean the 5750 has Dx11 but is it worth 25 euros ? i doubt.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 17:02 GMT
#45
atm i have a crappy old 15" monitor but im going to get a 17" or 19" monitor.
i use 1024x768 right now, but i plan on going a bit higher with a new monitor -> but i cant buy a monitor right now, its a plan for the near future.
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UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
February 21 2010 17:58 GMT
#46
On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.



I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI.

The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap.

cpu bottleneck article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.html

athlon x4 620 games performance
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8



Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money.

This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.


Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following:

GTS 250 512mb ram
AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz
4gig DDR2 Ram
Gigabyte board AM2socket board.



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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
February 21 2010 18:03 GMT
#47
get good GPU, dont ever skimp on the GPU
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 21 2010 18:22 GMT
#48
On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:
so here is my most recent try of putting something together

[image loading]




ok. so am i good to go with this?
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Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 21 2010 18:26 GMT
#49
On February 22 2010 01:42 sc4k wrote:
hey guys I don't know shit about this either, and there seem to be some knowledgeable people here. I also need to prime for SC2!

I got these things:

Nvidia geforce 7950 GTX
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5N32 motherboard
2GB of Corsair DDR2 ram...DRAM frequency 400 mhz, whatever that means
some 400w power supply

Can or should I use anything of this looking forward, or go for an overhaul? I'm thinking the ATI radeon 5750 looks nice because of price + DX11, but then again maybe it will be too weak for many DX11 games and it's better to wait for the 5850 to go down in price or something...Also, do I need a different motherboard and such to run radeon? I am so clueless I shake my head at myself.


Since you haven't posted enough details on your psu, I 'm going to play safe and advice a HD 5670 so you won't blow up your pc

On February 22 2010 01:58 green.at wrote:
so here is my most recent try of putting something together

[image loading]



I don't trust the psu, does it have a label?
[image loading]


I do think it can run the system fine. Also try to find some cheaper ram

On February 22 2010 02:58 UdderChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.



I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI.

The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap.

cpu bottleneck article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.html

athlon x4 620 games performance
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8



Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money.

This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.


Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following:

GTS 250 512mb ram
AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz
4gig DDR2 Ram
Gigabyte board AM2socket board.



Most likely a cpu bottleneck. Go to the Gigabyte site and look for you motherboard, if gigabyte has released a bios with support for AM3 cpu's you can upgrade to an athlon II/phenom II cpu
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17386 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 18:51:54
February 21 2010 18:50 GMT
#50
Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory

Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of:
[image loading]


You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.).

This comp would last you for years.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 21 2010 19:04 GMT
#51
On February 22 2010 03:50 Manit0u wrote:
Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory

Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of:
[image loading]


You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.).

This comp would last you for years.


actually that setup would be only faster in single core optimized apps.
Narwhal
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom314 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 19:17:48
February 21 2010 19:17 GMT
#52
if you are running a 32 bit operating system then 2g or 3x1g would be better as windows in 32 bit doesnt actually make use of all the memory of 4g, thats assuming you have 32 bit OS, could save a little money.

as for your latest spec, looks good to me.
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 19:32:53
February 21 2010 19:30 GMT
#53
On February 22 2010 03:50 Manit0u wrote:
Holy crap, this shop has some really expensive memory

Were I you though, I'd scrape ~100E more and go with something along the lines of:
[image loading]


You can of course get it ~50E cheaper or even more if you'll go with less expensive stuff (US3L instead of UD3 mobo, cheaper ram etc.).

This comp would last you for years.

The new i5 are too expensive. The only i5 worth all this money is the i5-750.
Also Nvidia isn't competitive atm.


955 BE + 5770 > your config but anyway those two configs are too expensive for a 400 euros budget.
It is 500 euros lol
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
February 21 2010 20:50 GMT
#54
According to the benchmarks released of SC2 by the legion hardware guys, the 4850/70/90 are all pretty underwhelming. I would go for the 5750 to be honest if playing SC2 with that graphics card was my main goal.
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green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 22 2010 12:45 GMT
#55
So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:

AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II

all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€
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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
February 22 2010 13:05 GMT
#56
On February 22 2010 21:45 green.at wrote:
So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:

AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II

all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€

Why not get rid of the quad and get a couple more gigs of RAM? probably would offer better performance. I'm convinced a well OC'd (3.6ghz+) Athlon II X2 will work just fine, and be a good amount cheaper.
U Gotta Skate.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 22 2010 13:08 GMT
#57
well i plan on getting more RAM later.
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faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-22 13:29:21
February 22 2010 13:18 GMT
#58
On February 22 2010 02:58 UdderChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 01:10 faseman wrote:
On February 21 2010 00:40 UdderChaos wrote:
And also that processor seems a bit underpowered, 2.6 DualCore with a 240 and 4 gigs seems a bit disproporitionate especailly if your buying an am3 socket motherbaord. Other than that seems like a solid pc. On the processor i have a 250gts and a 5000+ which is basicly the same as yours but dual instead of quad and i find my processor really is a bottleneck in a massive way. Maybe the quad might make the difference but i would advise a Phenom II X4 personaly. But maybe I'm wrong.



I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. In any decently coded game the GPU is almost always the bottleneck. As long as you run at a decent resolution. I really don't know where people get the idea of cpu bottlenecks in gaming. I see this everywhere. It only ever happens on the extremely high end cards and SLI.

The athlon x4 620 is amazing value. Quad core, easily overclockable to 3.4+ ghz if you put some effort in, and retardedly cheap.

cpu bottleneck article
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-balanced-platform,2469-9.html

athlon x4 620 games performance
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-ii-x4-620-review-test/14
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3638&p=8



Yeah I just looked through some gt240 reviews again. Go a tier up in power to 4770/4850/gts 250 if you can squeeze like $30 more out of yourself. They are roughly 50-100% better for not much more money.

This processor is seriously a good choice. It can keep up with cpus that cost twice or three times it's price.


Actually on investigation i really dont see/understand how this works. In tf2 I've tried going from 16x AA, 16xAF 1600x1000 full HDR highest graphics down to a 700 res on lowest graphics no AA or AF, and my fps doesn't change, i still get around a solid 60 fps dipping into 30/40 sometimes, and when not v-synched, somtimes going into 70's/90's. (this is on my 250gts using a amd5000+ card) So i really don't understand how that tom's hardware article is accurate, it seems there may be some factor it doesn't consider perhaps. Anyhows do you consider any upgarde to fix this? or a reason that my tf2 example here happens, im using the following:

GTS 250 512mb ram
AMD 64 X2 Dual core 5000+ 2.6ghz
4gig DDR2 Ram
Gigabyte board AM2socket board.





TF2 is one of the exceptions. It's well known that it requires far more CPU than GPU.

edit: To actually answer your question you should buy the highest clocked/overclockable cpu you can afford, if TF2 is all you care about. Game doesn't scale with more than 2 threads, I'm pretty sure.

2nd edit: Actually now that I think about it - back when I was still playing TF2 - people with 3.6ghz+ C2Duos would often complain about bad dips exactly like yours. How much weight this holds, I don't know. Overall I'd say it's not a terribly well optimized game.

You could certainly get better performance with any overclocked c2d/i3/i5 750/phenom II.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 22 2010 13:22 GMT
#59
Can someone pls give me an OK on my latest specs
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Pakje
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium288 Posts
February 22 2010 13:58 GMT
#60
On February 22 2010 21:45 green.at wrote:
So, because money is tight i have downgraded a little bit:

AMD Athlon II x4 620
Gigabyte GA-MA770 AMD 770
2x Kingston 1GB DDR2 Valueram PC800/6400
Club3D Radeon5750 1GB PCIe
Super-Flower ATLAS 450W
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB SATA II

all in all (with case and dvdrom and stuff) im at 420€


ok looks fine
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 22 2010 14:03 GMT
#61
Thanks a lot and allso thanks to all who helped me out

i cant wait to get it.
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
Narwhal
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom314 Posts
February 22 2010 15:07 GMT
#62
Nice one congrats, now comes the hard part...Waiiiitttinggg

I'm currently waiting for my new pc after the first one they sent had problems.

Your setup is pretty sweet, I would recommend upgrading the ram when the time comes although you didn't say anything about an operating system, I hope you didn't forget ect, installing a fresh system with an OS can be a little difficult.
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