EPTIpad, is it worth buying? - Page 15
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Kezzer
United States1268 Posts
How can anyone take this thing seriously? I mean just thinking about it makes me laugh. Imagine you're out at a restaurant or something, need to check your email. It would look somewhat natural just pulling out your phone and checking. But not with the iPad. You turn over and unzip your backpack and lug out your iPad. You lay it down on the table but have to clear it off because of its massive size. "One sec honey let me just check my email." You are huddled over like a retard maniacally tapping your gimmicky touch screen to check your email. Mission success! But on a serious note, when are you actually going to use this? No USB, no flash... If you're at home, mind as well use a keyboard. Is it just me or is touch screen kind of stupid? I really don't see how people are so obsessed with it. When you're on the go I'm sure you'll feel totally cool pulling out your 10 pound email device. This thing really is useless compared to cell phones and laptops/desktops. | ||
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hoptime
Australia35 Posts
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Fruscainte
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On March 21 2010 12:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: If I can quote Maddox... Old but still applies. "Nokia uses a technology that's even more advanced than the iPhone's tap screen, allowing you to actually feel the keys you press as you're pressing them! The technology is called "tactile response," and it allows you to do things like dial a phone number without staring at your screen like a shit-chucking ape. In fact, every other cellphone ever made has this technology, sometimes called "buttons."" I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively. Quoting John Gruber: "The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly." And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them. On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do? No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook, | ||
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hoptime
Australia35 Posts
On March 21 2010 12:46 Fruscainte wrote: And you can't do that on one of those mini netbooks or whatever that cost 200 bucks, can do the job just as well, but actually can do everything else any normal computer can do? cases can sometimes be extraordinarily long and dense and most people print them out since reading them on a computer is extremely impractical. the amount of money saved on toner and paper during a law degree will probably well and truly exceed $500 also as an aside the thing will be utterly fantastic to read comics on, in my opinion | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 21 2010 13:42 VManOfMana wrote: I am pretty sure that explains why Google and Microsoft are ditching physical keyboards with the Nexus One and Windows Phone 7 Series, respectively. Quoting John Gruber: "The iPhone introduced a new model. A true great leap forward in the state of the art. Not a small screen that shows you things which you manipulate indirectly using buttons and trackballs occupying half the device’s surface area, but instead a touchscreen that occupies almost the entirety of the surface area, showing things you manipulate directly." And this is what will make the iPad stand out over netbooks. Really, we no longer are in an era where specs are that important. Specs are important on certain domains (gaming) but "computing on the go" is not one of them. No, it can't. Long time reading can be very uncomfortable on a netbook, So basically, users that like to feel a false sense of empowerment should buy the iPad? And also, can you really consider the use of the functions of the iPad as "computing?" | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On March 21 2010 14:15 synapse wrote: So basically, users that like to feel a false sense of empowerment should buy the iPad? And also, can you really consider the use of the functions of the iPad as "computing?" You missed the point by a long shot. The model Gruber refers to is the interaction model, which is one of the biggest but often ignored bottlenecks in modern computers (in my opinion, at least). Tuan Nguyen from Tom's Hardware is more straightforward: "Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done." "People have 10 fingers, so design an interface that uses what we have already. This is the number-one reason why the iPhone took off in such a big way. Despite some popular belief, it isn't the Apple loyalty or marketing machine that made the iPhone what it is today. It's the fact that the iPhone OS and the excellent finger interface were designed well and people caught on to it. The iPhone's popularity was significantly driven by its ease of use and would still be popular today with or without Apple's marketing machine. This is why mobile phone OSes these days all have similar interfaces. Even Microsoft had to eventually ditch its Windows Mobile and stylus-pecking interface for phones--yet it still continues to be lazy on the tablet front." "Take clues from what Apple has done with its office productivity suite: Apple literally had to redesign and retool iWork from scratch with a brand-new user interface designed specifically for easy tablet use." Source: http://bit.ly/bVWfA9 The article is mostly a discussion on why TabletPCs failed and nobody cared for tablets until the iPad, but a lot of it is relevant to the iPhone/iPad/netbook discussion. Apple did not create the iPad interface from the ground up, but its an evolution of the iPhone OS, adapting a new interaction model to the tablet's form factor. It is not just an iPhone on a bigger screen, and there are new APIs and features specific to the iPad and not applicable to the iPhone/iPod Touch. Yes, even the most "mundane" things that a computer is used for, such as e-mail, web, youtube, twitter, reading newspapers, magazines and Team Liquid can be considered computing. | ||
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I've seen the screen and I also have no desire to ever use an LCD or LED screen for ebook reading over eink. I've tried ebooks on this phone, and it's simply more irritating. EDIT: Just to clarify, multimedia browsing is totally different and not so good on the phone, but that's usually dependent on Flash. For news/sports/forums/TL, I don't know that even my laptop is significantly better than the phone besides the typing experience. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 21 2010 15:34 Faronel wrote: I like the awesome idea of a data pad. It's the way of the future! The Ipad is a dedicated web browser from what I heard. But honestly, wait few months then talk about it. I seriously doubt it's gonna go higher. Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around. yeah they do the same thing for OSX right? it's probably because adobe didnt feel like coding a flash plugin for the iTouch OS or whatever it uses. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
More businesses should begin creating, targetting, and repeatedly assfucking for money the same audience. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On March 21 2010 15:02 VManOfMana wrote: You missed the point by a long shot. The model Gruber refers to is the interaction model, which is one of the biggest but often ignored bottlenecks in modern computers (in my opinion, at least). Tuan Nguyen from Tom's Hardware is more straightforward: "Cramming a full desktop OS into a tablet is pure laziness. Cramming a desktop OS into a tablet but rebuilding the user interface from the ground up? That's what needs to be done." "People have 10 fingers, so design an interface that uses what we have already. This is the number-one reason why the iPhone took off in such a big way. Despite some popular belief, it isn't the Apple loyalty or marketing machine that made the iPhone what it is today. It's the fact that the iPhone OS and the excellent finger interface were designed well and people caught on to it. The iPhone's popularity was significantly driven by its ease of use and would still be popular today with or without Apple's marketing machine. This is why mobile phone OSes these days all have similar interfaces. Even Microsoft had to eventually ditch its Windows Mobile and stylus-pecking interface for phones--yet it still continues to be lazy on the tablet front." "Take clues from what Apple has done with its office productivity suite: Apple literally had to redesign and retool iWork from scratch with a brand-new user interface designed specifically for easy tablet use." Source: http://bit.ly/bVWfA9 The article is mostly a discussion on why TabletPCs failed and nobody cared for tablets until the iPad, but a lot of it is relevant to the iPhone/iPad/netbook discussion. Apple did not create the iPad interface from the ground up, but its an evolution of the iPhone OS, adapting a new interaction model to the tablet's form factor. It is not just an iPhone on a bigger screen, and there are new APIs and features specific to the iPad and not applicable to the iPhone/iPod Touch. Yes, even the most "mundane" things that a computer is used for, such as e-mail, web, youtube, twitter, reading newspapers, magazines and Team Liquid can be considered computing. wow are you kidding? the reason why the iPhone was so successful is the reason why the iPad won't be successful. the iPhone was a consolidated device, you got a phone and an interface for light browsing that was small enough to be held with one hand and operated with the other. the iPad is ten inches. let me repeat that TEN INCHES. unless you enjoy holding and carrying something the size of a clipboard all day, smart phones are superior to the iPad in every way. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
On March 21 2010 15:56 mahnini wrote: ... that was small enough to be held with one hand and operated with the other. the iPad is ten inches. let me repeat that TEN INCHES. unless you enjoy holding and carrying something the size of a clipboard all day, smart phones are superior to the iPad in every way... Some of us were given this burden by nature, while others buy an iPad to compensate. On the topic of the iPad though, I am just not sure there is any time in the day for me to use it. My smart phone (and *gasp* a novel) work while I am on the go, my computer at work is far superior, and my laptop at home takes up most of my screen time there. Unless I am taking the thing to bed, or to meals with me, there is no nook in my life that I really need to have it. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 21 2010 15:48 zomgzergrush wrote: The cult-like business model apple has going on though I have to admit is pretty clever. No longer have to make products that make sense, but simply rely on the trendy apple followers you already have in your grip with an advertisement for a product that has no significant change over previous products, but the same cookie cutter commercial. More businesses should begin creating, targetting, and repeatedly assfucking for money the same audience. This business model drives me insane, it honestly disgusts me. I feel like it is competition for all the wrong reasons. Apple doesn't try to make a better product, just a more shiny one. Microsoft then tries to make their programs more "user friendly" when it is already pretty fucking simple. I work at bestbuy and happily talk as many people out of going to Apple as I can. I just talked to a lady today who was convinced Mac's were better computers and I got her to buy a PC just buy simply explaining the facts about them. Mac's have inferior specs on them and are overpriced. Windows computers are compatible with virtually everything. Mac's can get viruses like any other computer, it is however less common. But like r1ch said in that amazing PC protection post. Enable DEP and 90% of viruses won't touch your shit. and the entire user base being filled with pricks makes me hate them even more. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On March 21 2010 15:34 Faronel wrote: I like the awesome idea of a data pad. It's the way of the future! The Ipad is a dedicated web browser from what I heard. But honestly, wait few months then talk about it. I seriously doubt it's gonna go higher. Also for people saying how "oh how dumb it doens't handle Flash", Apple decided not to include flash because it's a security liability for people trying to hack into the iPad for data. Honeslty because of apple's dominance I see Flash bending over to make something new for Apple and not the other way around. Not really. Other than the fact that Flash's performance is still pretty poor in mobile devices and kills battery life, it's all about control. Apple designs the software and hardware of the iPhone/iPad, they control the implementation, and they are not going to allow themselves to depend on a third party implementing a piece of the software stack (Adobe). There are third party applications, but Apple controls the API. Apple does not controls the web nor its content, but nobody else control the specs (web standards are open) and they can control the delivery method (Webkit/mobile safari). Apple's motivations are not the most noble, but I want to see the end result. Personally, I can't wait for HTML5 video and canvas to mature and have Flash become irrelevant just like ActiveX. Popular devices not supporting Flash will help the transition to non-Flash content delivery. | ||
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intrudor
Canada446 Posts
sure the current form of the iPad may not be the greatest product ever, but they DID come up with some great legitimate products over the years (you know who they are) as far as their traditional computers are concerned (desktops + laptops) i think they're pretty nice and somehow justify their premium even though i'd never go for a Mac when buying an actual computer due to my personal taste Give the iPad a chance and maybe in a few years it'll be mainstream and not some "cult" thing | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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sky_slasher
United States328 Posts
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