EPTObama wants $33 Billion more for the War - Page 12
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KwarK
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Jibba
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QibingZero
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It's just one BS excuse after the next for continuing war. America must have enemies. America must protect it's (corporations' ) interests abroad. The legislative branch of government is, by an extreme amount, catering to large wealthy corporations which are believed to be the reason America is so well off. Maybe back when most American companies actually worked hard to produce the best products, this was the case. Certainly it's not now (lol GM). The dollar should be in serious crisis at this point, but the American government knows that military power is a good persuader. Our entire livelihood in the 21st century is based off of our past reputation and our willingness to blow people up. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest_group_liberalism This is what exists in America. This is what has always existed in America. If you think there was ever a "golden age" where it wasn't like this, you're wrong. If you think America is unique in trying to protect economic interests, you're wrong. If you think America does it more than most of the first world, you're wrong. If you think the only interest groups that matter are corporations, you're wrong. Basically, everything you've written is wrong. There's cultural, political and economic factors for entering the war in Iraq. Some are more important than others, but no single factor was enough to start a war, as there was during WWII. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
but this war...it's really stupid to continue because looking at the former Soviet Union, one of the major factors it collapsed was because they spent too much money in Afghanistan, and they STILL failed there. What the U.S. is doing is almost the same thing, and i'm afraid it's economy won't be able to hold out with all this money being spent on it. | ||
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QibingZero
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But yes, of course America has long catered to interests. The difference is that in the past those interest groups actually had something to offer to the world. Now they're able to get away with anything, as long as their PR departments are top-notch. Yes, 'protecting economic interests' has been the norm for quite a while. In the post-empire age it's mostly been relegated to a countries 'sphere of influence', with other powers seeing it as a perfectly agreeable business as long as it's not done near them. It's the new age version of imperialism, and yes it's not unique to America. However, acting like America isn't the biggest culprit is wishful thinking at best. Ever since we decided that we were the world power, and that we would keep everyone 'safe', our scope has been nearly unlimited. Now we're surprised whenever this ideology upsets someone. What, you don't want your country 'improved' by our exceptional ways? You primitive third-world beasts! | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 16 2010 22:33 ghostWriter wrote: Do you even read? Americans have KILLED more than we LOST. As in the number of Americans that died is much lower than the number of Iraqi and Afghan bystanders that died because of American military power. Americans killed in 9/11 3000 Americans killed in Iraq and Afganistan 6000 Number of Afghan civilians that were killed? 2,118 in 2008 and 2,412 in 2009 according to the UN. This is just in Afghanistan, 4,500 dead in just 2 years (the war has been going on for 8 years so far). These are just numbers to you, but these are real people with real families. Yeah, you guys both kind of got my point out. If we are in Afghanistan terrorizing everyone's lives then it doesn't boggle my mind that they want some sort of retribution. I read that the number of Iraqis/Afghans killed is quite large, but the effect we have had on the water and electrical supply has ruined the lives of many many more. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
The 'WWII helped our economy' argument has been used to sell every war since. Contrary to even the most basic common sense, people still believe it. /QUOTE] It is true. Deficit spending can help spur the economy. I don't know where you found your common sense, but I'm pretty sure that this is kind of a general economic principle. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On January 17 2010 01:23 Trezeguet23 wrote: It is true. Deficit spending can help spur the economy. I don't know where you found your common sense, but I'm pretty sure that this is kind of a general economic principle. Broken window fallacy for wars. Wars is wealth destruction, that we do a lot of it forces people to work hard if they want to maintain their current living standards. It does increase economic activity. But economic activity (aka lots of hard work) doesn't mean anything because all of that work is put to destructive ends. As for deficit spending, that's just mortgaging the future. If you are talking about imprudently living above your means, then deficit spending "spurs the economy." | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On January 15 2010 01:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Vietnam was fucking awesome, what are you trying to say here? You're kidding right, i hope its sarcasm. I think Rebirth has a point, voters these days are just becoming apathetic. On January 17 2010 01:18 Trezeguet23 wrote: Yeah, you guys both kind of got my point out. If we are in Afghanistan terrorizing everyone's lives then it doesn't boggle my mind that they want some sort of retribution. I read that the number of Iraqis/Afghans killed is quite large, but the effect we have had on the water and electrical supply has ruined the lives of many many more. Exactly the terrorism we know only really came about since WWII after Israel was founded and pakistanis were kicked out. Also Taliban and Al Khaida were also both funded by the US during the cold war, so was Saddam Hussein. Basically we are fighting what we created, yet the more people we kill, the more we can expect their families to try and kill us. | ||
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