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lol quite the typical game u had there  it hardly proves anything, besides my whole point was thats why most people i know like w3 more than bw, your endless list of 'strategies' only prooves my point they are either never used (were talking in semi serious games here... there are many 'crazy' strategies in w3 that number just as many as ur list there), or are tiny variations of the same basic strat.... which you claim are strategy for bw but for w3 you bunch all these under the same strategy
and for rei, the two seasons i played enough games to get high on wgt i came top 8 in 1v1 and top 4 in 2v2.
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On February 06 2004 09:43 Filthy. wrote: lol quite the typical game u had there it hardly proves anything, besides my whole point was thats why most people i know like w3 more than bw, your endless list of 'strategies' only prooves my point they are either never used (were talking in semi serious games here... there are many 'crazy' strategies in w3 that number just as many as ur list there), or are tiny variations of the same basic strat.... which you claim are strategy for bw but for w3 you bunch all these under the same strategy and for rei, the two seasons i played enough games to get high on wgt i came top 8 in 1v1 and top 4 in 2v2.
HoHO..never used?-_-;; Cuz you always play fastest?
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w/e just believe what u want >_<]
tired of debating 
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Don't argue with fools,they scorn the wisdom of your words.
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wc3 is boring anyways argument closed
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United States33451 Posts
On February 06 2004 10:44 Pumpkin wrote:
I played BW for 4 years on a high level for most the time and recently switched to war3. I've played some good people on war3 and trust me there's alot more micromanagement and attacks in war3 then BW. In BW you normally didnt focus on attacking until 8 ~ 10 minutes unless you rushed. In war3 you can be attacked around 1:30 and keep getting attacked until 10 minutes + before he decides he can't slow you down anymore. Look at it this way, the base war3 units have 300 Hp, for 1 building add on, your working with units with 550 to 700 life. If you take a hydra with 80 hp and a huntress with 600 hp the huntress is able to take almost 8 times the hits as that hydra. What im saying is each unit in war3 has the potential to do alot more throughout the game then units in BW can. War3 doesnt have the macro level like BW because its focused more on microing heros/unit management. And for people who say war3 has no resource management, in repute to your belief, war3 does have an upkeep management which is a HUGE part of the game. A good player may be able to stay under the 50/50 level for upkeep and save 1,000 gold and be able to out micro the oponnent while he out macros you. You would win in the long run because of that extra gold and ur ability to hang with someone who is in low upkeep when your in no upkeep. War3 is an intense game and full of action on all the levels of BW is. I'd say they are both about the same. And to all people who talked shit that war3 sucks, you either A) Played for a week when it 1st came out on ROC and talk shit about it since its tremendous amount of updates or B) follow what everyone else said from A and continue to be ignorant to the fact that there's other games out there besides bw =[
Pumpkin[s.R]
good post, but you're just overlooking one thing.
logic doesn't work here
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I actually played it long enough and I actually have 3 of the best players in the world playing in the same club as me.Insomnia included.I gotta hit him hard sometimes for insulting BW now that I think of it  .And watching them play is REALLY boring...
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United States33451 Posts
On February 06 2004 11:48 Beast_Bg wrote: I actually played it long enough and I actually have 3 of the best players in the world playing in the same club as me.Insomnia included.I gotta hit him hard sometimes for insulting BW now that I think of it .And watching them play is REALLY boring...
when will breeze get back?
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On February 06 2004 11:48 Beast_Bg wrote: I actually played it long enough and I actually have 3 of the best players in the world playing in the same club as me.Insomnia included.I gotta hit him hard sometimes for insulting BW now that I think of it .And watching them play is REALLY boring...
That's one thing I never enjoyed about War3, it's always been somewhat boring to watch unless it was like a live tournament game. It doesn't have the same spectator appeal to me that BW does =[
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I've only read through the first 3 or so pages so this may be redundant..
1. As many of you know this guy played a ton of BW and was very good at it, so he does understand both games as well as anyone. Probably better than you..
2. By perfection if you're retarded and take that literally (hi, everyone on this thread including cyric).. He's referring to the fundamental "skill" parts of the game like micro/macro.. It's fairly easy to not unnecessarily lose units, and even easier to keep your excess low throughout the game..
This puts a "skill cap" on W3 that did not exist for BW, which just means there are more people with 'enough' natural talent to be good, creating a bigger "top" player population..
I guess one parallel is APM.. Some people just arent physically capable of getting 200+ APM (or arent capable of simultaneously doing micro/macro at the same time).. People like this might be able to do so in W3, and will be able to compete at high lvls of play..
Luck? Yes of course, but thats true for BW as well. Also strategic moves and counters all play in.. It becomes more who has the better strategy than the other in w3.. Whereas in BW if the skill differential was big enough strategy could be overcome by speed/ability etc
Though I personally still feel BW is a better game, i can completely understand where hes coming from.. And jesus christ, i think 99% of you have never played war3 (and getting your ass kicked a few times does not count) so why the fuck are you even talking.. You're all bitching about how gamespy picked total annihilation over BW as the best RTS, and you are all doing the exact same thing here.. ignorant statements backed by personal bias 
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Bejje the day u play bw at a high level is the day im on the PGA tour
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On February 06 2004 12:24 Sadist wrote:
Bejje the day u play bw at a high level is the day im on the PGA tour
which one is bejje? lol
cuz in this post there are like 4-5 unknow people who claim to have played in the competitive level of bw
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Sweden33719 Posts
On February 06 2004 09:43 Filthy. wrote: lol quite the typical game u had there it hardly proves anything, besides my whole point was thats why most people i know like w3 more than bw, your endless list of 'strategies' only prooves my point they are either never used (were talking in semi serious games here... there are many 'crazy' strategies in w3 that number just as many as ur list there), or are tiny variations of the same basic strat.... which you claim are strategy for bw but for w3 you bunch all these under the same strategy and for rei, the two seasons i played enough games to get high on wgt i came top 8 in 1v1 and top 4 in 2v2.
Yes it was a typical game in the amount of attacks I mounted ; ( The ending however, was not typical. Btw, I always do non stop attack when I think I can afford it, just as whoever else said there is in war3. Everytime I gundam I attack from the time my first vulture is out to when I win or lose. Sometimes I even push out with scv marine before that- - Then non stop attack. Same in most matchups, only when you are being contained do you not attack --
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Eventually a game is going to come out with the best of both games and everyone will drop warcraft like two bit whore. But people some people will still play starcraft sometimes (and a few all the time) because its a classic and also low system req. By the way I beat insomnia once on warcraft and I suck balls at starcraft. Also futuristic/sci fi theme is more interesting than cliched tolkien ripoff fantasy. But a modern or almost modern theme would kick ass even more.
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On February 06 2004 01:12 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Show nested quote +On February 05 2004 23:24 Teroru wrote:
ur exactly right. I clearly wrote it "i wish he meant...". I didn't say *thats what he means*. Im saying that based on his obvious intelligence, i would wish and hope he meant something different, and i voiced it.
I find it hard to comprehend that someone who has obvious high intelligence would honestly believe that u can be perfect at everything. Whether its war3, bw, or whatever the fuck else crosses ur mind.
Cyric, i nearly always affirm with what you say. But i must give pause if u believe that ones lack of reasons for his opinion is justification for anothers lack of reasons in theirs. If one is inherrantly wrong, the other is as well. Despite his lacking skills in communication, i *was* trying to bring the level up a notch by not being arbitrary. Apparently i fucked up.
I owe an apology to the lot of you: go back to your mindless flaming, the majority supports it, so it must be A-OK!. I was a bit careless with my statement about Mr.X's bad reasoning being justification for the rest of the idiocy going on in this thread. What I meant to say was that Mr.X's opinion is no better than any of the other unsupported flame posts.
ok, thanks for clearning that up. *_*
i agree``
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On February 06 2004 07:35 aseq wrote:
Ok, the skills comparison makes sense to me. In Warcraft, it's easier to play near perfect, so more players will be (near) top level, so competition is harder at top level. All true.
But then Blizzard made the decision to put in some random elements. Random item drops and random damage are most important out of these, i have little problems with creeps. Now everyone plays "perfect", the randomness will start to have a HUGE impact on the outcome of a game, since player levels are so close. So top-level games are now more decided by luck than ever before...
Also, the fact that counters in WC never are insanely useful as in BW (rvr vs lings, valk vs muta, etc.etc.), it matters less whether you scout well, if you react late to a build it is less of a problem, since you can still use all you have and do relatively well. So scouting has become less important also.
Those two alone make WC a less competitive game than BW. Also, the guy who said how does speed matter in an untimed game of chess. We're talking top level here, top level chess games are always timed. In fact, i don't like playing without timer since i get annoyed by ppl taking really long to think. You have to think faster to outplay, that's the skill here.
Another thing is the attack and armor types, which are confusing in WC. There are about 6 attack and armor types, protectors do piercing damage, (how are stones piercing), and attack types doing EXTRA damage, how can anything ever do EXTRA damage vs an armor??? If i were that unit I'd just take off the armor to receive less damage^^.
Unclear to me how Mr.X explains all this, but time will probably tell if he's right. Myself, I can't see a top level player being consistent since luck is such a big factor, and will always lose him some games, even if he's the best ever.
Sorry for long post, could go on for pages, so much to say about this.
100% agreed. If your from the netherlands (as it says beside your name) u have extremely good english. Hey, even if you weren't from the ntherlands.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Yeah, in warcraft you don't get the same feeling when something raids your base versus a 2 templar drop behind your very important mineral line. Things just take too damn long to die.
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