EPTWhat Mr.X aka Insomnia has to say about BW and WC3 - Page 9
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
I'm not saying that this is how it is in WC3 (just seems to be the general opinion of the WC3 critics), but just an alternate way of looking at the situation from Jim's view. | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
We *were* talking about different things. I did, however, specify what i was talking about to begin with. (my first post on page 4 i believe). not that that really matters - we understand each other now. i agree that we don't know for sure how close nada and boxer are to being perfect, but i don't think we know for sure how close insomnia or any other player is to being perfect at warcrft3. Your right about me not knowing how smart he truly is. But i never claimed to. I claimed he has intelligence, and that i don't think an intelligent person would say what he said about perfection. This is why i interpreted what he said differently to begin with. I am not certain of my interpretation; i shared it in hopes that others would give it some thought instead of flaming him. | ||
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
 Guess I misunderstood. So I guess you weren't defending mrx's claim at all then? I was surely attacking it!Since we're talking theoretically there isnt really a way to determine if nadabwlevel/absolutebwhigh > insomniawclevel/absolutewchigh or the other way around, however war3 sure has to have some real depth to it to compare to broodwar (and remember macro in war3 is obsolete, it has to gain all it lacks in the macro department of skill from the micro, and bw sure has lots and lots of micro to it if played to perfection, I recall some older threads about who would the best race be if played to perfection, fun reads  )You did talk about his "obvious intelligence" , the obvious part was what got to me -_-; (wasnt obvious for me! ) Well anyway, enough of this  | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On February 06 2004 16:55 intotherei wrote: these paragraphs right here just prove how you havent been reading my posts. way back when i first started discussing this i said the counters were horrible (with the exception of faierie dragons and tauren) and some other stuff i guess you didnt read it. seeing as how you didnt read mines, i wont read the rest of yours. One entry found for ignorant. actually, i've kept up on your paragraphs just fine. On February 05 2004 18:50 intotherei wrote: war3 doesnt reward intelligence.. the counters in that game are so stupid. this is what i was talking about. That was the original point of debate. You say war3 counters is stupid. I said give me an example. U said faerie dragons etc. I said they are not stupid. And now u tell me i havent been reading what u said? So where did i go wrong? I asked u for an example of *stupid* counters. You said Faerie dragons. So i'm ignorant because *you* didn't give me an example of a stupid counter? Or are u just randomly calling me ignorant. Now that we have cleared this up, do u care to read the rest of my post? I make things very clear in that one too. | ||
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aBnarf
Bangladesh314 Posts
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
i said the counters are stupid except for faerie dragons and taurens which counter what theyre supposed to. taurens counter any other ground force and faerie dragons counter casters (albeit a little too much in the current state of the game) | ||
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Filthy.
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the same goes with tier 3, bears are probably the best tier 3 unit in the game with roar/rejuv, aboms rip up a tier 1 army and knights are potentially the biggest tanks in the game - however this does not mean that everyone rushes to make these units every game and skip tier 1, just as in bw you don't rush to guards or carriers etc. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On February 06 2004 15:36 intotherei wrote: ok so do you want me to direct to you the 4k.bond vs beyblade replay where 4k.bond tps to his main and loses his entier army except for his 2 heroes at 50% health simply because beyblade had 4 faerie dragons in mana flare mode? I didn't say anything with the counter was wrong. I'm not going to get into a big discussion of War3 with people who clearly haven't played the game very long. My point was just that the Blizzard forums are not gushing with wise philosophers or anything. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On February 06 2004 19:56 Filthy. wrote: rei pls if u think that destroyers or spellbreakers aren't good anti spell casters then u really dont know what u are talking about. i will admit that spirit walkers arent as a significant counter to spellcasters but ressurection makes up for that the same goes with tier 3, bears are probably the best tier 3 unit in the game with roar/rejuv, aboms rip up a tier 1 army and knights are potentially the biggest tanks in the game - however this does not mean that everyone rushes to make these units every game and skip tier 1, just as in bw you don't rush to guards or carriers etc. you sure you've played? bears arent a tier3 unit  | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4515 Posts
But theres 2 big things i dont like about warcraft over starcraft. 1 is theres no mass killing units like templars/reaver/carrier/lurker/ etc etc. Adds a lot of annoyance and fun to the game where if you dont protect from one thing it can destroy you 2ndly i remember sitting next to heman while he was playing on turtle rock. 20 minutes later after seeing each others army and running away every time until they did a battle at the very end. I almost fell off my chair from boredom as it was just building units and taking on the ferocious creeps. Though i must admit after i raised my eyebrow at him and asked him if that was counted as a general sort of game or if it was really boring, he did admit it was a boring one. Unfortunately i see the same sort of thing on television games (though i've seen some fun ones where they constantly attack anothers base early, but latish game tends to revert back? )No idea what i was sayign when i started this... so hmmmpf to you all | ||
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Filthy.
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Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On February 06 2004 18:05 aBnarf wrote: good prediction wax our friendly mod is enjoying himself too much -_- | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Adv. 1) Makes milk and cookies for strange men 2) I don't know what an adverb is | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
On February 05 2004 12:36 Orlandu wrote: Yikes you guys are incredibly narrow-minded. I far from agree with Insomnia, but you can't honestly believe you're right and that he's an idiot based off an opinion that you have. It's not fact that Brood War is a better game (it's an opinion many people share), that's all about taste and what each individual finds fun. You can't call him an idiot, or wrong, for stating his opinion. If he had more fun with Brood War he'd still be there. Is he wrong for trying to do what he finds fun? all old bw players that now plays wc3 only does it for the money... and yes it is a fact that bw>wc3... only 14 year old kids who doesn't know shit+money hungry ppl that thinks otherwise...(ya I know i'm 14 aswell but i'm unusually mature;)(playing bw is a proof of that!) | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On February 06 2004 16:11 Teroru wrote: Very true. good point. So what are the real numbers? Do you think that a person who has never played starcraft in their life will think that Starcraft requires the same amount of strategy as you or i do? Do you think that a person who has played starcraft on BGH for a year will understand how much strategy the game truly requires? Do you think that *i* or yourself know how much strategy the game requires in comparison to boxer or nada know? And finally, do you think there is a single war3 player how knows as much about war3 as nada or boxer does about starcraft? No, no, no But as of now, we can only use what we know up to now : o | ||
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baal
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:p PS: hovz u suck | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
I really hate how a lot of people are very unoriginal in their play though it sucks... that's why it's awesome to watch replays of people who do unique things, like CADX2-Craft, who uses blademaster against NE to great affect and TC vs humans and wins his games.. most other orcs just go FS harrass... which usually doesn't even doa nything... so boring And then humans... blah, AM/MK, never anything different And it's possible to beat others (quite easily) doing other strategies at my level (i play level 16-20's usually) but people never do anything different generally... something tha kinda pisses me off too, i told CAD to try TC first and he said that it was bad idea... this was back in december, now i see him going TC first all the time vs Humans and i see everyone saying how he's so revolutionary and stuff well, i guess i shouldn't complain because i love seeing non-FS first ---------------------------------------------- item drops... it has been a while since a game would be decided solely on item drops... even if two people are equally skilled, the game isn't gonna be decided solely on item drops... there has been items in the past that maybe we could of said this was true for... but i don't think so now and creep jacking is a skill, not luck... it's their decision to creep something, it's not mandatory... i mean, if i'm about to creep jack you i'm not creeping right? and you can always not do the same creeping pattern as almost everyone does like on turtle rock, group of turtles outside your base then 2 trolls/2 ogres... it's obvious, that's why people can creep jack so easily there =/if you keep an eye on your back you can usually easily run away with minimal damage taken anyways, and later on when you dont need all your units for the creeping, you can have a spotting unit a little ways from your creeping group so you dont get caught off guard | ||
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Commander{+}
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