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Orlandu
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
China2450 Posts
February 07 2004 02:25 GMT
#181
On February 07 2004 11:19 Commander[SB] wrote:
Fact is, any mu on war3 is about exciting to watch as a pvp game.


I've actually always enjoyed watching PvP's over most matchups.
We cant give up just because things arent the way we want them to be.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
February 07 2004 02:36 GMT
#182
this is too much. we should have a war3 vs starcraft debate tournament, with brackets. 2 people would debate for 30 minutes and then judges would vote on who wins, results and debate posted. and then we'd find out who the winner is.
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
February 07 2004 07:58 GMT
#183
On February 06 2004 19:56 Filthy. wrote:
rei pls if u think that destroyers or spellbreakers aren't good anti spell casters then u really dont know what u are talking about. i will admit that spirit walkers arent as a significant counter to spellcasters but ressurection makes up for that

the same goes with tier 3, bears are probably the best tier 3 unit in the game with roar/rejuv, aboms rip up a tier 1 army and knights are potentially the biggest tanks in the game - however this does not mean that everyone rushes to make these units every game and skip tier 1, just as in bw you don't rush to guards or carriers etc.
a ghoul army will beat a knight or abom army T_T

its pretty well known that destroyers suck as an anti caster too =\, only use is vs orc where they have to use HH to kill them
Filthy.
Profile Joined December 2003
57 Posts
February 07 2004 12:25 GMT
#184
rei please be quiet you really don't know what you're talking about :/
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
February 07 2004 12:33 GMT
#185
lol..i dont think you do. knights being a good tank? knights suck man. whatever im not about to argue war3 w/ you on a bw forum. but w/e -_-
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
February 07 2004 12:39 GMT
#186
actually you prolly should be about to argue war3 on a bw forum, but w/e
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
February 07 2004 12:42 GMT
#187
On February 07 2004 21:33 intotherei wrote:
whatever im not about to argue war3 w/ you on a bw forum


i concur!
sideproject: twitch.tv Starcraft II Viewers data - http://twitchsc2data.com/
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
February 08 2004 00:47 GMT
#188
intotherei you dont know what your're talking about
i can tell that you dont have a top 100 account with any of the races on any of the realms

knights and destroyers dont suck. any good hu or ud would know that.
they both serve a purpose.
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33648 Posts
February 08 2004 01:28 GMT
#189
On February 08 2004 09:47 mindspike wrote:
intotherei you dont know what your're talking about
i can tell that you dont have a top 100 account with any of the races on any of the realms

knights and destroyers dont suck. any good hu or ud would know that.
they both serve a purpose.


this is true
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
February 08 2004 01:34 GMT
#190
my micro is amazing
('''(G_G/'''')
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-02-08 09:00:34
February 08 2004 08:43 GMT
#191
On February 08 2004 10:34 Heen wrote:
my micro is amazing
heen are knights great? tell these hasus...
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
February 08 2004 08:44 GMT
#192
On February 08 2004 09:47 mindspike wrote:
intotherei you dont know what your're talking about
i can tell that you dont have a top 100 account with any of the races on any of the realms

knights and destroyers dont suck. any good hu or ud would know that.
they both serve a purpose.
knights suck, destroyers suck as anti casters, but overall are mediocre units. good vs orc though.
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
February 08 2004 11:32 GMT
#193
I think knights are good with the right support (such as priest and pala). 20 footies cant substitute for 10 knights

but they are also weak at the same time because they are only slightly better than a grunt.

destroyers are pretty nice but I would never mass them. 3 at most.

but what does it matter, BW is a more 'complete' game right now but many ppl play TFT because it is modern and has more attention.
('''(G_G/'''')
Pumpkin
Profile Joined December 2003
United States1141 Posts
February 08 2004 12:10 GMT
#194
--- Nuked ---
BeJJeLove
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
February 08 2004 12:45 GMT
#195
gyrocopters
spirit walkers
banshees

all serve no purpose.

what else have I missed.
('''(G_G/'''')
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
February 08 2004 12:50 GMT
#196
i'd add war3 to that list
sideproject: twitch.tv Starcraft II Viewers data - http://twitchsc2data.com/
zdragon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States150 Posts
February 08 2004 12:58 GMT
#197
Here's a bit of theorycraft for you guys to think about:
BW is much better than WC3, but most people shrug off WC3 for the wrong reasons:

The economic and fundamental balance of the game is VERY different from SC. There are simpler BOs, less units/techs, less economy, but ALL of this is offset by the addition of heroes (in terms of strategy/army) and creeps (economic). Angel (halpmeh) once pointed out correctly that WC3 is truly just about heroes. That's what it comes down to- balancing hero vs unit dynamics per matchup. Because of the consolidation of power into a few units, there seems to be less possiblities, while at the highest levels there still remains enough innovation to keep the game from falling flat on its face.

WC3 is not a crappy game JUST because there are no hard counters- units are not the focus- counters have to work together with heroes (which greatly amplify any effect). It's not bad just because of virtually non-existant economy or macro- offset by new addition of RPGish creeping/creepjacking dynamics (creeping/creepjacking is equivalent in some ways to powering/peon dropping).

Nevertheless, WC3 is innovative, but at the current state, there exist some weak areas where there just isn't enough room to excercise the potential of the game...
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
February 08 2004 12:59 GMT
#198
Heen

without spirit walkers human could own a 20 tauren army with polymorph
(i have done it myself vs orcs that dont know how to use spirit walkers)
also spirit link is a viable option


gyrocopters are weak, but they can be used in certain situations
they cant be shackled so thats a plus...and they have invisibility detection so they are GREAT scouting units

banshees are great.. but seldom used mainly because ud players like to go the route of hero nuking
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-02-08 13:03:14
February 08 2004 13:01 GMT
#199
i'm just insulted by the whole ROC thing. i dont doubt TFT is decent or will be decent enough someday. b ut there were just so many fucking things wrong/inferior in ROC, it is just too insulting, i cant reward blizzard's behavior. i am staying away from TFT in protest. ROC is just has juicy dumb shot in every hole. they dont even admit that they fucked up, instead they bitch about people warezing the game they "worked so hard on, gave so much of their lives" etc. well fuck them. i hope those bastards are reading this shit. i dont care how hard you worked, it was fucking stupid. you playtested it right? and yout hought it was good? i can see how you can think some of ROC's innovations were a good idea on paper, in the planning room, but how the fuck did they survive development and testing? and the beta! you fucking released a beta basically. so fuck you war3 makers.
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
February 08 2004 13:01 GMT
#200
oh and ive seen many pro games where ud MASS destroyers

zerg/human - vancouver, canada
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