On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
This is like saying all Christians are ignorant murderers because some lunatics bombed abortion clinics.
A few people bombing abortion clinics is the same thing as millions of people rioting all over the world?
So they aren't allowed to defend their beliefs while it's okay for them to be trampled all over by external powers.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
You do know there are many varying opinions on issues amongst Muslims, right? You are quite ignorant if you believe all Muslims believe in the extreme interpretation of the Shariah that came into effect when the Taliban gained power.
No, not all do but alot of muslims do. While some are more liberal or want to come across as more liberal in order to gain influence in the western world, they are quite stone age about many things like womens rights and even the not-so-hardcore muslims still have strong opinions on many subjects which I don't agree with at all.
Yeah are you kidding me? I merely pointed out an example of where religion can take people; this obviously doesn't implicate that all people that are members of that religion also behave in a similar manner. No one said anything about 'all Muslims' so keep your unfounded accusations of ignorance to yourself.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
This is like saying all Christians are ignorant murderers because some lunatics bombed abortion clinics.
A few people bombing abortion clinics is the same thing as millions of people rioting all over the world?
So they aren't allowed to defend their beliefs while it's okay for them to be trampled all over by external powers.
Makes sense.
Defending their beliefs HA! You can't defend a belief when there's no evidence for it.
On November 30 2009 07:52 Foucault wrote: I don't really see a reason to spread religion in the world to be honest. Islam to me is oppression and women being held down by ridiculous religious beliefs. Of course there are nice things to arabic culture, but Islam is not it
I agree completely, and I think this is the consensus of most people in Switzerland.
yeah, and Christianity is drinking blood, crusades, inquisitions and witch hunts.
be more ignorant please.
Islam still has honor killings, excuses for rape including blaming the victim, the death penalty for homosexuality, and no rights for women.
How many of the Christian things you mentioned are still around?
you are a dumb motherfucker. like really, really dumb. None of that is true, you're completely ignorant. Do you live in a muslim country? Have you experienced the culture of one firsthand? no? then shut the fuck up
Did I say all Muslim countries? And there have even been honor killings in the US, though they are of course illegal.
Its like saying Christianity is horribly wrong because of the crusades, and because its used as an excuse to discriminate against gays. Thats fucking stupid
The crusades aren't still going on. Islam isn't the problem, the people spreading hate through the guise of Islam are.
Yes, absolutely. There are more or these because islam is the predominant religion in the area where such folk normally come form. If christianity was the main religion there, they'd quote the bible for their purposes and still do pretty much the same shit no doubt.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
This is like saying all Christians are ignorant murderers because some lunatics bombed abortion clinics.
A few people bombing abortion clinics is the same thing as millions of people rioting all over the world?
So they aren't allowed to defend their beliefs while it's okay for them to be trampled all over by external powers.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
There are of course extreme christians as well but I'll bet my left pinkie that there are far more fundemental muslims and that their attitudes to violence are more liberal than most christians.
On November 30 2009 09:38 KwarK wrote: Stupid fuckers worship cows. What is up with that lol. We eat your God. Idiot Musli.
hinduists do that. They also worship many headed/armed deities lmao what is up with that. Thats ridiculous. Everyone knows my invisible friend is the real one
BTW why do we have a topic about this silly thing (its not like Switzerland is banning an important building, Moshes are still allowed.) but we don't have a topic about the Islam discriminating women (forcing to wear them burqas, arranged marriages, no right to divorce iirc), honor killings, rape?
And the only reason Christianity doesn't have that anymore is Martin Luther. We should be damn grateful to him.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
There are of course extreme christians as well but I'll bet my left pinkie that there are far more fundemental muslims and that their attitudes to violence are more liberal than most christians.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
There are of course extreme christians as well but I'll bet my left pinkie that there are far more fundemental muslims and that their attitudes to violence are more liberal than most christians.
far more? definitely. Attitudes to violence are more liberal? Definitely varies from person to person, but untrue as a blanket statement
On November 30 2009 09:40 ghostWriter wrote: Yeah are you kidding me? I merely pointed out an example of where religion can take people; this obviously doesn't implicate that all people that are members of that religion also behave in a similar manner. No one said anything about 'all Muslims' so keep your unfounded accusations of ignorance to yourself.
What lol
I think you replied to the wrong post or didn't read my post at all. I wasn't responding to your post and wasn't arguing anything you have said
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
Uhhh Christian outrage at a huge step in personal freedoms and gay rights is not the same as Muslim outrage at a drawing in a magazine. Muslim outrage was also way more hardcore. The guy who drew that now is basically undercover of the rest of his life.
On November 30 2009 09:13 MasterReY wrote: i think its good. would muslime ever let us build churches in their countries? lol If they dont accept other religions in countries where other religions are the majority then they dont deserver their religion too.
They started it is not an argument adults use.
no but its: "they begin to tolerate other religions in their countries, we are fine with MORE of them too." we already tolerate them in our countries and most islamic countries still dont tolerate other religions so its fair.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
Uhhh Christian outrage at a huge step in personal freedoms and gay rights is not the same as Muslim outrage at a drawing in a magazine. Muslim outrage was also way more hardcore. The guy who drew that now is basically undercover of the rest of his life.
Why is it not the same? In the quran it is stated that depicting the prophet is a horrible sin, just as in the bible homosexuality is similarly vilified. You've never heard of psychos wanting to kill gay people, and people killing others because they're gay? Really?
On November 30 2009 09:38 KwarK wrote: Stupid fuckers worship cows. What is up with that lol. We eat your God. Idiot Musli.
hinduists do that. They also worship many headed/armed deities lmao what is up with that. Thats ridiculous. Everyone knows my invisible friend is the real one
i no rite. i mean juses sed he was god rite. and then he died or sumthin but he cam back agan. wat more do u wnt. jeuss cud take a cow n e day.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
Uhhh Christian outrage at a huge step in personal freedoms and gay rights is not the same as Muslim outrage at a drawing in a magazine. Muslim outrage was also way more hardcore. The guy who drew that now is basically undercover of the rest of his life.
Why is it not the same? In the quran it is stated that depicting the prophet is a horrible sin, just as in the bible homosexuality is similarly vilified. You've never heard of psychos wanting to kill gay people, and people killing others because they're gay? Really?
Because it isn't the same. It is similar in that it is offensive to both religions. But Practically, it's COMPLETELY different. And I repeat the reactions by Muslims eclipsed Christian reactions completely.
Edit (To expand): I didn't like the christian reaction to gay marriage, but the fact is that the countries reaction was not influenced as much by Christianity because it was filtered with logic and civility. The people understood that even though being gay is a 'sin' in christianity, people deserve rights. That's like if Muslims knew that it is a sin to depict the prophet, but then realized that it is just a fucking picture in a magazine, and that the whole thing is just silly and outdated.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
You do know there are many varying opinions on issues amongst Muslims, right? You are quite ignorant if you believe all Muslims believe in the extreme interpretation of the Shariah that came into effect when the Taliban gained power.
No, not all do but alot of muslims do. While some are more liberal or want to come across as more liberal in order to gain influence in the western world, they are quite stone age about many things like womens rights and even the not-so-hardcore muslims still have strong opinions on many subjects which I don't agree with at all.
Yeah are you kidding me? I merely pointed out an example of where religion can take people; this obviously doesn't implicate that all people that are members of that religion also behave in a similar manner. No one said anything about 'all Muslims' so keep your unfounded accusations of ignorance to yourself.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
This is like saying all Christians are ignorant murderers because some lunatics bombed abortion clinics.
A few people bombing abortion clinics is the same thing as millions of people rioting all over the world?
So they aren't allowed to defend their beliefs while it's okay for them to be trampled all over by external powers.
Makes sense.
Defending their beliefs HA! You can't defend a belief when there's no evidence for it.
Foucault talked about Islam in general, and the way he wrote back he is pretty much implying Islam as a whole. And since when does evidence have to be a precursor to a belief? It obviously isn't so in the case of jaystar.
On November 30 2009 09:43 SuperArc wrote: BTW why do we have a topic about this silly thing (its not like Switzerland is banning an important building, Moshes are still allowed.) but we don't have a topic about the Islam discriminating women (forcing to wear them burqas, arranged marriages, no right to divorce iirc), honor killings, rape?
And the only reason Christianity doesn't have that anymore is Martin Luther. We should be damn grateful to him.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
This is like saying all Christians are ignorant murderers because some lunatics bombed abortion clinics.
A few people bombing abortion clinics is the same thing as millions of people rioting all over the world?
So they aren't allowed to defend their beliefs while it's okay for them to be trampled all over by external powers.
On November 30 2009 08:24 Yizuo wrote: IMO this ban is pure bullshit, the people are blinded by fear of different cultures and religions. "The free western world" should always uphold their values of open-mindedness and tolerance, the decision made by the swiss people is a step in the wrong direction.
imo, this is bullshit because Islam isn't known to be a very open-minded religion. Why should we go about promoting islam for the sake of being politically correct when instead we should promote ideas that are actually good for people. Women wearing burkas and hardly having any rights is not something I want to push for.
Agreed. Also, look at the reaction when some relatively obscure Danish newspaper printed a comic that showed a representation of the prophet Mohammed.
Yeah. Those comics created a monumental shitstorm in the arabic world. I was watching it unfold in disbelief, and the pictures weren't even that bad. It shows how diehard alot of muslims are; foreign embassies were threatened and attacked, it was ridiculous. They burned danish flags and they filmed people saying that all danish citizens deserve to die and what not.
Yeah, watch a few videos of american redneck reactions when gay marriage was legalized. So, Christians are all extreme ok np?
Uhhh Christian outrage at a huge step in personal freedoms and gay rights is not the same as Muslim outrage at a drawing in a magazine. Muslim outrage was also way more hardcore. The guy who drew that now is basically undercover of the rest of his life.
Why is it not the same? In the quran it is stated that depicting the prophet is a horrible sin, just as in the bible homosexuality is similarly vilified. You've never heard of psychos wanting to kill gay people, and people killing others because they're gay? Really?
blasphemy is a sin in christianity too, but they dont riot because jesus got drawed in a funny way or a picture of god (who you may not draw in christianity) is draw where he is dissed.
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