EPTOn November 30 2009 09:51 koreasilver wrote:
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What sadomasochism and torture has to do with this issue o,o
I mean this pretty much fucked up but it is not christians vs muslims.
Switzerland bans Minarets - Page 11
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
What sadomasochism and torture has to do with this issue o,o I mean this pretty much fucked up but it is not christians vs muslims. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:51 koreasilver wrote: lol Martin Luther was anti-semetic to the core. Yeah so? Christianity wouldn't be much better or "open" than Islam without him. Learn your history. | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
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Tempest7
Canada15 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:36 TheAntZ wrote: In no muslim country is this condoned anymore. When it is done religion is the excuse, the problem is the idiots who perpetrate the stupidity, the country, not the religion. Bangladesh is an entirely muslim country with a muslim culture, and you never see shit like that being acceptable there. Why not? The predominant religion IS Islam. Or maybe...its the people/country/atmosphere they were raised in and not the religion? Its like saying Christianity is horribly wrong because of the crusades, and because its used as an excuse to discriminate against gays. Thats fucking stupid The problem IS Islam. Islam promotes violence against kafir, and the Koran explicitly states that those who don't believe in Islam are complete unintelligent trash. Please don't tell me that the words of the Koran can have different interpretations and the like, as the Koran is meant to be interpreted absolutely literally and preferably in Arabic. Those who do not take it literally are not truly Muslim. There is no grey area in this interpretation as there is in the Bible, because the Koran states it explicitly. Stuff like this does still happen and is still happening, and those who deny are only promoting the deaths of the innocent. I'll leave the comparison to Christianity for someone else to deal with. Here's an example of Islam in action in your own country. Be warned though a couple of the pictures are rather graphic. http://faithfreedom.org/content/humanity-assassinated-ethnic-cleansing-minorities-bangladesh "The police rarely allow rape victims to press charges against their rapists. Typically, if a rape victim goes to the police and insist on action, they are given the “run around” for a few days so the rape evidence disappears. The police officers themselves will then persecute the victims. This, of course, is followed by death threats or kidnapping (Source: The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 16, 2002)." ... Oh and as for the main topic. It is terrible that they suppress such fine architecture, but I can see how they could change the "look" of cities which have such a long architectural history. Perhaps the Swiss just think the Minarets look rather gaudy? | ||
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
On November 30 2009 08:04 distant_voice wrote: yeah, and Christianity is drinking blood, crusades, inquisitions and witch hunts. be more ignorant please. Im an atheist, I like Christianity about as much as Islam. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
Kind of cool? That IS cool... I've found my final destination :D | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:52 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: blasphemy is a sin in christianity too, but they dont riot because jesus got drawed in a funny way or a picture of god (who you may not draw in christianity) is draw where he is dissed. This. I've seen picture of Jesus drawn as a zombie (which was hilarious), as well as many many other 'blasphemous' depictions. | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:54 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote: I know this answer to this problem: I want to be friends with you. | ||
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kaizenmx
United States110 Posts
So no. No islam for me. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:59 Whiplash wrote: Im an atheist, I like Christianity about as much as Islam. Same, but I am damn grateful the Western World/Christianity allows me to choose such a path/to have such a mindset. AFAIK it's damn hard/nearly impossible to quit Islam. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:57 SuperArc wrote: Yeah so? Christianity wouldn't be much better or "open" than Islam without him. Learn your history. This is rather arguable. Although the schism that Luther started was the beginning of the end of the Vatican's great power over Western Europe, in the aftermath Luther ended up just being one of the many leaders of the Protestant movements, not the leader of the Protestant movement. There were many varying Protestant interpretations and many of them were quite extreme, perhaps even worse than the Catholic church at that time. It's not really directly Martin Luther that led to the softening of Christianity but rather the diminishing power of the Vatican and the Renaissance that really started it, although Martin Luther did have a pivotal role in cracking down the power of the Vatican. | ||
KwarK
United States44428 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:56 Boblion wrote: What sadomasochism and torture has to do with this issue o,o I mean this pretty much fucked up but it is not christians vs muslims. My argument was never about Christians vs Muslims, it was about how not all Muslims are the same, and how Muslim extremists are not the worst sort of people on the world of today. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 30 2009 09:58 Tempest7 wrote: The problem IS Islam. Islam promotes violence against kafir, and the Koran explicitly states that those who don't believe in Islam are complete unintelligent trash. Please don't tell me that the words of the Koran can have different interpretations and the like, as the Koran is meant to be interpreted absolutely literally and preferably in Arabic. Those who do not take it literally are not truly Muslim. There is no grey area in this interpretation as there is in the Bible, because the Koran states it explicitly. Stuff like this does still happen and is still happening, and those who deny are only promoting the deaths of the innocent. I'll leave the comparison to Christianity for someone else to deal with. Here's an example of Islam in action in your own country. Be warned though a couple of the pictures are rather graphic. http://faithfreedom.org/content/humanity-assassinated-ethnic-cleansing-minorities-bangladesh "The police rarely allow rape victims to press charges against their rapists. Typically, if a rape victim goes to the police and insist on action, they are given the “run around” for a few days so the rape evidence disappears. The police officers themselves will then persecute the victims. This, of course, is followed by death threats or kidnapping (Source: The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 16, 2002)." This thread is awesome, now whenever someone asks me how exactly islam/religion is fucked up I can use this thread as a source :D Also, yes you and anyone who argued against me is right, I was trying to see if it was possible to deny/refute these claims logically. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9111 Posts
Maybe it's just because I'm a "freedom loving American" but despite my discomfort and negative feelings in general towards the Middle East and Islam the banning of Minarets seems absolutely wrong with no grey area, unless Minarets are symbolic of something which I am unaware of but as far as I'm concerned it is just a historical way of decorating mosques. And after looking on wiki: "Minarets also function as air conditioning mechanisms: as the sun heats the dome, air is drawn in through open windows then up and out of the minaret, thereby providing natural ventilation." They actually have some purpose although that's probably more of a past use. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 30 2009 10:06 Athos wrote: Wow, I got to page 6 and I can't read this shit anymore. I can't believe how idiotic and stupid some of you people are. Jalstar and ghostwriter are either trolling or they honestly like oppressing personal freedoms. i didn't oppose personal freedom anywhere? nice try though | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 30 2009 10:06 koreasilver wrote: My argument was never about Christians vs Muslims, it was about how not all Muslims are the same, and how Muslim extremists are not the worst sort of people on the world of today. And so what ? Because you can find worse ( hi Hitler ) it means that intolerance, crimes and fanatism are normal ? Relativism and Godwin ftw. | ||
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kaizenmx
United States110 Posts
On November 30 2009 10:06 KwarK wrote: End of thread. | ||
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