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On November 30 2009 10:08 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 09:58 Tempest7 wrote:On November 30 2009 09:36 TheAntZ wrote:On November 30 2009 09:28 jalstar wrote:On November 30 2009 09:24 TheAntZ wrote:On November 30 2009 08:08 jalstar wrote:On November 30 2009 08:04 distant_voice wrote:On November 30 2009 08:02 Whiplash wrote:On November 30 2009 07:52 Foucault wrote:
I don't really see a reason to spread religion in the world to be honest. Islam to me is oppression and women being held down by ridiculous religious beliefs. Of course there are nice things to arabic culture, but Islam is not it I agree completely, and I think this is the consensus of most people in Switzerland. yeah, and Christianity is drinking blood, crusades, inquisitions and witch hunts. be more ignorant please. Islam still has honor killings, excuses for rape including blaming the victim, the death penalty for homosexuality, and no rights for women. How many of the Christian things you mentioned are still around? you are a dumb motherfucker. like really, really dumb. None of that is true, you're completely ignorant. Do you live in a muslim country? Have you experienced the culture of one firsthand? no? then shut the fuck up Did I say all Muslim countries? And there have even been honor killings in the US, though they are of course illegal. In no muslim country is this condoned anymore. When it is done religion is the excuse, the problem is the idiots who perpetrate the stupidity, the country, not the religion. Bangladesh is an entirely muslim country with a muslim culture, and you never see shit like that being acceptable there. Why not? The predominant religion IS Islam. Or maybe...its the people/country/atmosphere they were raised in and not the religion? Its like saying Christianity is horribly wrong because of the crusades, and because its used as an excuse to discriminate against gays. Thats fucking stupid The problem IS Islam. Islam promotes violence against kafir, and the Koran explicitly states that those who don't believe in Islam are complete unintelligent trash. Please don't tell me that the words of the Koran can have different interpretations and the like, as the Koran is meant to be interpreted absolutely literally and preferably in Arabic. Those who do not take it literally are not truly Muslim. There is no grey area in this interpretation as there is in the Bible, because the Koran states it explicitly. Stuff like this does still happen and is still happening, and those who deny are only promoting the deaths of the innocent. I'll leave the comparison to Christianity for someone else to deal with. Here's an example of Islam in action in your own country. Be warned though a couple of the pictures are rather graphic. http://faithfreedom.org/content/humanity-assassinated-ethnic-cleansing-minorities-bangladesh"The police rarely allow rape victims to press charges against their rapists. Typically, if a rape victim goes to the police and insist on action, they are given the “run around” for a few days so the rape evidence disappears. The police officers themselves will then persecute the victims. This, of course, is followed by death threats or kidnapping (Source: The Daily Janakantha, Feb. 16, 2002)." This thread is awesome, now whenever someone asks me how exactly islam/religion is fucked up I can use this thread as a source :D Also, yes you and anyone who argued against me is right, I was trying to see if it was possible to deny/refute these claims logically.
What an interesting and effective tactic lol
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I'm shocked so many people in this thread seem to believe this is ok. How can anyone be ok with a law the clearly persecutes a religious group? I understand not be a fan of a religion, but no one gets to decide whats right for other people. You can't make it hard for them to practice there beliefs because you dislike them. I thought all western nations had adopted religious freedom long ago.
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Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not.
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This is one of those times when I question if most people really deserve a say in their governance.
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On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not.
Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else.
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On November 30 2009 10:10 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:06 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 09:56 Boblion wrote:On November 30 2009 09:51 koreasilver wrote: What sadomasochism and torture has to do with this issue o,o I mean this pretty much fucked up but it is not christians vs muslims. My argument was never about Christians vs Muslims, it was about how not all Muslims are the same, and how Muslim extremists are not the worst sort of people on the world of today. And so what ? Because you can find worse ( hi Hitler ) it means that intolerance, crimes and fanatism are normal ? Relativism and Godwin ftw.
Huh? I never said it's normal, nor have I ever agreed with any of this. I only posted those pictures because jaystar can't reply logically and I thought it might just be easier to point out his hypocrisy. Just because American and other various troops have tortured and killed innocent people in the war that is still going on doesn't make all Americans and their allies terrible people. He also seriously believes that Muslim extremists have more power and influence than other extremists in the world which is really ignorant.
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On November 30 2009 10:14 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I'm shocked so many people in this thread seem to believe this is ok. How can anyone be ok with a law the clearly persecutes a religious group? I understand not be a fan of a religion, but no one gets to decide whats right for other people. You can't make it hard for them to practice there beliefs because you dislike them. I thought all western nations had adopted religious freedom long ago.
you didnt understand shit.
you are simply lying. in switzerland NOONE is persecuted. stop posting bullshit, k thx bye.
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On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else.
Because they were Jews? The Nazis were not religiously motivated, and they killed the Jewish population because of their hereditary bloodline, not their religion, although they did kill Jewish converts that were not hereditary Jews.
Are you seriously going to try to argue that the Nazis killed the Jews due to religious beliefs?
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On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not.
Please take a look through http://faithfreedom.org/ before you say that Islam doesn't motivate people to be violent. It's run by ex-Muslims and has really opened my eyes to a religion that I first believed was peaceful due to the misnomer of Islam.
If you could also look into the credibility of the website, because I have had some trouble discrediting it as most of the articles are sourced well.
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how am i arguing with logical fallacies? all you've posted are false equivalencies: "the west is as bad as muslim extremists", "christians are as bad as muslim extremists", etc.
Even if what you were saying were true that would in no way make the actions of Muslim extremists right.
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On November 30 2009 10:21 Tempest7 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Please take a look through http://faithfreedom.org/ before you say that Islam doesn't motivate people to be violent. It's run by ex-Muslims and has really opened my eyes to a religion that I first believed was peaceful due to the misnomer of Islam. If you could also look into the credibility of the website, because I have had some trouble discrediting it as most of the articles are sourced well.
Red herring.
Also doesn't change the fact that atrocities occur regardless of whether there is religious motivation or not.
The world really would be better off without Abrahamic religions though.
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On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews were secretly smuggled to Israel because of something else.
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On November 30 2009 10:20 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else. Because they were Jews? The Nazis were not religiously motivated, and they killed the Jewish population because of their hereditary bloodline, not their religion, although they did kill Jewish converts that were not hereditary Jews. Are you seriously going to try to argue that the Nazis killed the Jews due to religious beliefs?
Uh yeah, the Jews were persecuted because they were Jews. I'd say that has a lot to do with their religious beliefs.
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On November 30 2009 10:26 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:20 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else. Because they were Jews? The Nazis were not religiously motivated, and they killed the Jewish population because of their hereditary bloodline, not their religion, although they did kill Jewish converts that were not hereditary Jews. Are you seriously going to try to argue that the Nazis killed the Jews due to religious beliefs? Uh yeah, the Jews were persecuted because they were Jews. I'd say that has a lot to do with their religious beliefs.
Are you seriously retarded.
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On November 30 2009 10:22 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:21 Tempest7 wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Please take a look through http://faithfreedom.org/ before you say that Islam doesn't motivate people to be violent. It's run by ex-Muslims and has really opened my eyes to a religion that I first believed was peaceful due to the misnomer of Islam. If you could also look into the credibility of the website, because I have had some trouble discrediting it as most of the articles are sourced well. Red herring. Also doesn't change the fact that atrocities occur regardless of whether there is religious motivation or not. The world really would be better off without Abrahamic religions though.
That is true, but Islam promotes people to more frequently cause the death/rape of others in just following what is taught. Islam is the ultimate red herring though. It can seduce even the most intelligent of people.
I'll point you to this article http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
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Have you ever actually read about Nazi Germany before? The Holocaust?
Holy fuck.
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Oh I'm sorry my argument is completely independent of anything related to the Holocaust.
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On November 30 2009 10:27 Tempest7 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:22 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:21 Tempest7 wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Please take a look through http://faithfreedom.org/ before you say that Islam doesn't motivate people to be violent. It's run by ex-Muslims and has really opened my eyes to a religion that I first believed was peaceful due to the misnomer of Islam. If you could also look into the credibility of the website, because I have had some trouble discrediting it as most of the articles are sourced well. Red herring. Also doesn't change the fact that atrocities occur regardless of whether there is religious motivation or not. The world really would be better off without Abrahamic religions though. That is true, but Islam promotes people to more frequently cause the death/rape of others in just following what is taught. Islam is the ultimate red herring though. It can seduce even the most intelligent of people. I'll point you to this article http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Yeah, I can't completely disagree with that.
edit: oh lol no I didn't mean that to you. I wrote that before you posted so it just got posted right underneath you.
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On November 30 2009 10:27 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:26 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:20 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else. Because they were Jews? The Nazis were not religiously motivated, and they killed the Jewish population because of their hereditary bloodline, not their religion, although they did kill Jewish converts that were not hereditary Jews. Are you seriously going to try to argue that the Nazis killed the Jews due to religious beliefs? Uh yeah, the Jews were persecuted because they were Jews. I'd say that has a lot to do with their religious beliefs. Are you seriously retarded.
Are you? Jews are Jews because of their religious beliefs, is this a difficult concept to grasp?
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On November 30 2009 10:32 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:27 Tempest7 wrote:On November 30 2009 10:22 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:21 Tempest7 wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Please take a look through http://faithfreedom.org/ before you say that Islam doesn't motivate people to be violent. It's run by ex-Muslims and has really opened my eyes to a religion that I first believed was peaceful due to the misnomer of Islam. If you could also look into the credibility of the website, because I have had some trouble discrediting it as most of the articles are sourced well. Red herring. Also doesn't change the fact that atrocities occur regardless of whether there is religious motivation or not. The world really would be better off without Abrahamic religions though. That is true, but Islam promotes people to more frequently cause the death/rape of others in just following what is taught. Islam is the ultimate red herring though. It can seduce even the most intelligent of people. I'll point you to this article http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence Yeah, I can't completely disagree with that. edit: oh lol no I didn't mean that to you. I wrote that before you posted so it just got posted right underneath you.
Oh haha oops.
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