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On November 30 2009 10:58 cUrsOr wrote:
Wow. I'll just make a simple post that says this sucks.
Telling people what to wear, and I was under the impression that they had a very liberal government. Very sad day. Suppose next they will be banning books or something? I'm sure there are many other signs of Islamisation there as well.
Huh? Telling people what to wear?? A minaret is a building...
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On November 30 2009 10:57 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:54 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:51 KwarK wrote:
Wait, so why is it that Hitler hated minarets? Godwin's Law in action. So not only did you not know the reasons behind the Holocaust but you apparently also do not know when Godwin's Law applies and does not apply.
Says the kid who brings up the Holocaust out of nowhere in a thread about Switzerland banning minarets. Did you even know that was the op?
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On November 30 2009 10:58 cUrsOr wrote:
Wow. I'll just make a simple post that says this sucks.
Telling people what to wear, and I was under the impression that they had a very liberal government. Very sad day. Suppose next they will be banning books or something? I'm sure there are many other signs of Islamisation there as well.
lmao
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On November 30 2009 10:14 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I'm shocked so many people in this thread seem to believe this is ok. How can anyone be ok with a law the clearly persecutes a religious group? I understand not be a fan of a religion, but no one gets to decide whats right for other people. You can't make it hard for them to practice there beliefs because you dislike them. I thought all western nations had adopted religious freedom long ago.
Have you lived in Africa, or the Middle East? Would you like to hear Islamic broadcasts 5 times a day, broadcast through loud speakers? Are you speaking out of ignorance, or do you know something of the reality of minarets? They want to practice their religion, they can practice it privately. I don't need to hear their prayers when I'm walking home at 5PM.
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On November 30 2009 10:58 cUrsOr wrote:
Wow. I'll just make a simple post that says this sucks.
Telling people what to wear, and I was under the impression that they had a very liberal government. Very sad day. Suppose next they will be banning books or something? I'm sure there are many other signs of Islamisation there as well.
you let me into your house. you let me live there. you let me decorate my own room. but do you let me hang my dick photos into your room and all the public rooms? rather not. its very simple, in switzerland ppl living there (20%, but the important 20%) dont want to see minarets when they look out of the window, and its their right to make the country look like they want it. not?
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What could be more hostile than huge phallic symbols constructed for allah?
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I want to clarify that I'm all against banning religious stuff when it doesn't matter. Muslims can wear burkhas anywhere, it doesn't bother me. However, I wouldn't like minarets in some places where I wouldn't mind mosques.
If there would be some sort of compromise (someone wrote they don't need to have the shouting function), I'm all for adding minarets!
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On November 30 2009 11:02 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:57 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:54 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:51 KwarK wrote:
Wait, so why is it that Hitler hated minarets? Godwin's Law in action. So not only did you not know the reasons behind the Holocaust but you apparently also do not know when Godwin's Law applies and does not apply. Says the kid who brings up the Holocaust out of nowhere in a thread about Switzerland banning minarets. Did you even know that was the op?
Rofl I gave a list of examples of atrocities that occurred outside of religious motivation and YOU were the one that picked out the Holocaust out of my several examples to try to be smart to make my point invalid.
On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else.
Stop crying over your self-ownage and just keel over from this thread.
edit: Also, I couldn't care less if you're a "fellow Korean" or not. That shit is meaningless, and why the hell would I care what you are?
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On November 30 2009 10:56 TS-Rupbar wrote:They, for a non-muslim, randomly scream shit in Arabic. How is that not annoying when the majority of the population doesn't give a shit?
Hey bro, I feel for you. I was on the bus one day and 2 black guys came on. They were talking like "WHUTS GOOD NIGGA" "CHECK MY ICE" and it was annoying because the majority of the people on the bus didn't give a shit. We then decided to ban black people from the bus and everyone was happy  .
Hey bro, I feel for you. Once upon a time our city had a chinatown where you could get some pretty sweet food. One day I went there, and everyone was nattering in some weird bird language. This had to stop, because the majority of us didn't give a shit. We had the city evict everyone and bulldozed chinatown to make a strip mall. No more fake pagodas .
Starting to make sense, or should I continue?
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On November 30 2009 11:09 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:02 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:57 koreasilver wrote:On November 30 2009 10:54 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:51 KwarK wrote:
Wait, so why is it that Hitler hated minarets? Godwin's Law in action. So not only did you not know the reasons behind the Holocaust but you apparently also do not know when Godwin's Law applies and does not apply. Says the kid who brings up the Holocaust out of nowhere in a thread about Switzerland banning minarets. Did you even know that was the op? Rofl I gave a list of examples of atrocities that occurred outside of religious motivation and YOU were the one that picked out the Holocaust out of my several examples to try to be smart to make my point invalid. Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:17 ghostWriter wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 koreasilver wrote:
Violence isn't limited to religious ideology. The Holocaust was not religiously motivated, the Holodomor was not religiously motivated, the genocide of the American Natives was not religiously motivated, the Rape of Nanking was not religiously motivated, etc. etc. etc.
All this shit is politics more than religion, and the social mentality that that took place in all these atrocities were similar regardless of whether the ideology was religious or not. Huh. I guess all those Jews died because of something else. Stop crying over your self-ownage and just keel over from this thread.
hahaha
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On November 30 2009 11:10 L wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:56 TS-Rupbar wrote:On November 30 2009 10:53 JWD wrote:
How are minarets "annoying"? They, for a non-muslim, randomly scream shit in Arabic. How is that not annoying when the majority of the population doesn't give a shit? Hey bro, I feel for you. I was on the bus one day and 2 black guys came on. They were talking like "WHUTS GOOD NIGGA" "CHECK MY ICE" and it was annoying because the majority of the people on the bus didn't give a shit. We then decided to ban black people from the bus and everyone was happy . Hey bro, I feel for you. Once upon a time our city had a chinatown where you could get some pretty sweet food. One day I went there, and everyone was nattering in some weird bird language. This had to stop, because the majority of us didn't give a shit. We had the city evict everyone and bulldozed chinatown to make a strip mall. No more fake pagodas . Starting to make sense, or should I continue?
people can just not take the bus or not go to chinatown, you'd have to move to get away from a guy screaming in a minaret every morning
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On November 30 2009 11:13 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:10 L wrote:On November 30 2009 10:56 TS-Rupbar wrote:On November 30 2009 10:53 JWD wrote:
How are minarets "annoying"? They, for a non-muslim, randomly scream shit in Arabic. How is that not annoying when the majority of the population doesn't give a shit? Hey bro, I feel for you. I was on the bus one day and 2 black guys came on. They were talking like "WHUTS GOOD NIGGA" "CHECK MY ICE" and it was annoying because the majority of the people on the bus didn't give a shit. We then decided to ban black people from the bus and everyone was happy . Hey bro, I feel for you. Once upon a time our city had a chinatown where you could get some pretty sweet food. One day I went there, and everyone was nattering in some weird bird language. This had to stop, because the majority of us didn't give a shit. We had the city evict everyone and bulldozed chinatown to make a strip mall. No more fake pagodas . Starting to make sense, or should I continue? people can just not take the bus or not go to chinatown, you'd have to move to get away from a guy screaming in a minaret every morning
Just not take the bus? How exactly do you do that when you can't afford a car? Move?
How can I avoid chinatown if its on my way to work? Move?
How do I avoid the synagogue on saturdays if its next to my house? Move?
How do I avoid the buskers? Work somewhere different?
How do I avoid the guys with turbans who go to the temple down the street? Move?
How do I avoid the brown parts of town? Move?
How can't I do the exact same shit with a minaret?
Maybe I shouldn't 'move' from any of them and just let people do whatever the fuck they want to do. If the minaret annoys me so much maybe I can invest in an MP3 player and listen to some music like half of the world does.
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Another example then: I live in Frankfurt we had a population of 630.000 in 2006 (http://frankfurt.de/sixcms/media.php/678/K02_Bev%C3%B6lkerungx.pdf) . 300.000 were Christians.
Christians are a minority here, but in every part of the city you hear Church Bells. They are loud and annoying especially on days were I can sleep longer. Why aren`t church bells forbidden in parts of cities were the christians are a minority? Im sure switzerland has those with 22% immigrants.
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On November 30 2009 11:13 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:10 L wrote:On November 30 2009 10:56 TS-Rupbar wrote:On November 30 2009 10:53 JWD wrote:
How are minarets "annoying"? They, for a non-muslim, randomly scream shit in Arabic. How is that not annoying when the majority of the population doesn't give a shit? Hey bro, I feel for you. I was on the bus one day and 2 black guys came on. They were talking like "WHUTS GOOD NIGGA" "CHECK MY ICE" and it was annoying because the majority of the people on the bus didn't give a shit. We then decided to ban black people from the bus and everyone was happy . Hey bro, I feel for you. Once upon a time our city had a chinatown where you could get some pretty sweet food. One day I went there, and everyone was nattering in some weird bird language. This had to stop, because the majority of us didn't give a shit. We had the city evict everyone and bulldozed chinatown to make a strip mall. No more fake pagodas . Starting to make sense, or should I continue? people can just not take the bus or not go to chinatown, you'd have to move to get away from a guy screaming in a minaret every morning
Yeah, those situations are really not parallel at all. You can avoid those hypothetical situations, but you can't avoid a call to prayer 5 times a day going on in your neighborhood. Would you want some random guy calling you to prayer on a loudspeaker for a religion you don't believe in, in a language you don't understand, five times a day in the country where your ancestors have lived for centuries, by people who recently immigrated?
On November 30 2009 11:21 Yuljan wrote:
Another example then: I live in Frankfurt we had a population of 630.000 in 2006 (http://frankfurt.de/sixcms/media.php/678/K02_Bev%C3%B6lkerungx.pdf) . 300.000 were Christians.
Christians are a minority here, but in every part of the city you hear Church Bells. They are loud and annoying especially on days were I can sleep longer. Why aren`t church bells forbidden in parts of cities were the christians are a minority? Im sure switzerland has those with 22% immigrants.
This makes sense to me. Why not ban the church bells?
But then again, Christianity has been in Europe for centuries now, it affects the culture, even for people who don't believe.
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On November 30 2009 11:21 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:13 jalstar wrote:On November 30 2009 11:10 L wrote:On November 30 2009 10:56 TS-Rupbar wrote:On November 30 2009 10:53 JWD wrote:
How are minarets "annoying"? They, for a non-muslim, randomly scream shit in Arabic. How is that not annoying when the majority of the population doesn't give a shit? Hey bro, I feel for you. I was on the bus one day and 2 black guys came on. They were talking like "WHUTS GOOD NIGGA" "CHECK MY ICE" and it was annoying because the majority of the people on the bus didn't give a shit. We then decided to ban black people from the bus and everyone was happy . Hey bro, I feel for you. Once upon a time our city had a chinatown where you could get some pretty sweet food. One day I went there, and everyone was nattering in some weird bird language. This had to stop, because the majority of us didn't give a shit. We had the city evict everyone and bulldozed chinatown to make a strip mall. No more fake pagodas . Starting to make sense, or should I continue? people can just not take the bus or not go to chinatown, you'd have to move to get away from a guy screaming in a minaret every morning Yeah, those situations are really not parallel at all. You can avoid those hypothetical situations, but you can't avoid a call to prayer 5 times a day going on in your neighborhood. Would you want some random guy calling you to prayer on a loudspeaker for a religion you don't believe in, in a language you don't understand, five times a day in the country where your ancestors have lived for centuries, by people who recently immigrated? Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:21 Yuljan wrote:
Another example then: I live in Frankfurt we had a population of 630.000 in 2006 (http://frankfurt.de/sixcms/media.php/678/K02_Bev%C3%B6lkerungx.pdf) . 300.000 were Christians.
Christians are a minority here, but in every part of the city you hear Church Bells. They are loud and annoying especially on days were I can sleep longer. Why aren`t church bells forbidden in parts of cities were the christians are a minority? Im sure switzerland has those with 22% immigrants. This makes sense to me. Why not ban the church bells? But then again, Christianity has been in Europe for centuries now, it affects the culture, even for people who don't believe.
Thats why this law is discriminating, it only targets one minority group. If it doesn't apply to everyone it should never be made into a official law in a country. Certainly not in a democratic country. I dont know if its an english word but in germany we call it dictatorship of the majority
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On November 30 2009 11:03 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 10:14 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I'm shocked so many people in this thread seem to believe this is ok. How can anyone be ok with a law the clearly persecutes a religious group? I understand not be a fan of a religion, but no one gets to decide whats right for other people. You can't make it hard for them to practice there beliefs because you dislike them. I thought all western nations had adopted religious freedom long ago. Have you lived in Africa, or the Middle East? Would you like to hear Islamic broadcasts 5 times a day, broadcast through loud speakers? Are you speaking out of ignorance, or do you know something of the reality of minarets? They want to practice their religion, they can practice it privately. I don't need to hear their prayers when I'm walking home at 5PM.
I don't claim to be an authority on Islam, but that does not matter. If you don't like hearing the call to prayer thats your problem. You can get on a soap box with a big ass speaker and blast some christian prayers or even some judas priest music back at them twice as loud if you want too. Thats your right and it should be theres as well. There is no reason to ban minarets. If its that big of a deal inact laws against noise pollution. That way no one can broadcast shit. Islamic, Christian, or otherwise. Banning minarets is just religious persecution of the worst kind.
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And Germans know a thing or two about dictatorship.
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Would you want some random guy calling you to prayer on a loudspeaker for a religion you don't believe in, in a language you don't understand, five times a day in the country where your ancestors have lived for centuries, by people who recently immigrated? Wouldn't really care. City regulations on the acceptable noise level might be required depending on the location of the minaret, but the existence of someone from another culture doing his thing wouldn't bother me.
Also, the examples are relevant; I can't avoid the majority of those without moving or changing jobs. What's the difference here?
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On November 30 2009 11:32 KwarK wrote:
And Germans know a thing or two about dictatorship.
But they had a better protoss player than you with even less apm...
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On November 30 2009 11:31 InToTheWannaB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 11:03 Gnosis wrote:On November 30 2009 10:14 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I'm shocked so many people in this thread seem to believe this is ok. How can anyone be ok with a law the clearly persecutes a religious group? I understand not be a fan of a religion, but no one gets to decide whats right for other people. You can't make it hard for them to practice there beliefs because you dislike them. I thought all western nations had adopted religious freedom long ago. Have you lived in Africa, or the Middle East? Would you like to hear Islamic broadcasts 5 times a day, broadcast through loud speakers? Are you speaking out of ignorance, or do you know something of the reality of minarets? They want to practice their religion, they can practice it privately. I don't need to hear their prayers when I'm walking home at 5PM. I don't claim to be an authority on Islam, but that does not matter. (a)If you don't like hearing the call to prayer thats your problem. You can get on a soap box with a big ass speaker and blast some christian prayers or even some judas priest music back at them twice as loud if you want too. Thats your right and it should be theres as well. There is no reason to ban minarets. If its that big of a deal inact laws against noise pollution. That way no one can broadcast shit. Islamic, Christian, or otherwise. (b)Banning minarets is just religious persecution of the worst kind.
(a) Or, you can just ban it, because its annoying and you don't want hear prayers to allah. Just like people have a right not to participate in religious discussions on this website.
(b) Its not required by their religion, how is it persecution?
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