Health Care Bill passed the House - Page 4

On November 10 2009 04:15 motbob wrote:

Yeah, this would definitely make me less likely to work hard. Good thing this isn't what's in the bill.

On November 10 2009 04:15 motbob wrote:

Yeah, this would definitely make me less likely to work hard. Good thing this isn't what's in the bill.

On November 10 2009 04:15 motbob wrote:
Yeah, this would definitely make me less likely to work hard. Good thing this isn't what's in the bill.

On November 10 2009 04:27 agorist wrote:
Nobody is mentioning how the bill forces all Americans to acquire a government-approved insurance plan. Most of these options are private. Those who don't are fined.

Does nobody give a shit that the government is FORCING you to BUY something?

On November 10 2009 04:31 Undisputed- wrote:


Double edged sword I guess, if you don't have health insurance and get injured badly. They can't just turn you away. Who pays for that?

Reflecting the change noted above, CBO and the staff of JCT now estimate that, on
balance, the direct spending and revenue effects of enacting H.R. 3962, incorporating the
manager’s amendment, would yield a net reduction in federal budget deficits of
$109 billion over the 2010-2019 period (see Table 1).

Among other things, H.R. 3962, incorporating the manager’s amendment would establish a mandate for most legal residents of the United States to obtain health insurance; set up insurance “exchanges” through which certain individuals and families could receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of purchasing that coverage; establish a public plan that would be administered by the Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS); significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid; substantially reduce the growth of Medicare’s payment rates for most services (relative to the growth rates projected under current law); impose an income tax surcharge on high-income individuals; and make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicaid, Medicare, and other programs.

NET CHANGES IN THE DEFICIT FROM OTHER PROVISIONS AFFECTING REVENUES
Effects on the Deficit of
Changes in Revenues -39 -40 -59 -62 -65 -69 -73 -80 -86 -574

Surcharge on Adjusted Gross
Income 0 31 32 45 49 53 57 61 64 68 157 460

On November 10 2009 03:41 lOvOlUNiMEDiA wrote:


I appreciate the fact that you read and answered my question. The news I have read recently has given me the impression that the house version of the bill will not pass. They need 60 votes to end debate and Lieberman has stated that he won't vote for the house version of the bill. I don't know if any republicans are planning on voting for the bill --- I doubt it though. Maybe the senator from Maine?

(a) General Rule- In the case of a taxpayer other than a corporation, there is hereby imposed (in addition to any other tax imposed by this subtitle) a tax equal to 5.4 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $1,000,000.

Actually, for some higher tax brackets, the tax rate approaches damn near 50%. Given that a good percentage of doctors actually do fall in those income ranges, it's a fairly relevant issue to examine.

On November 10 2009 04:40 Piy wrote:
Have any of you right wing republicans ever thought that by trying to block these health care reforms you are basically saying that the value of a person directly correlates to their net income. Theres a reason why logical people don't think like that y'know.

I appreciate -Undisputed is trolling to some degree, but he does still seem to represent the views of a pretty scary number of Americans today. To equate social reforms to stealing, to me at least, seems to hark back to the initial periods of industrialization in the early 1800's, wherein factory owners equated stealing to not being able to work employees more than 14 hrs a day.

It's a less radical claim of course, no-ones claiming that those two things are close to the same thing. But its funny that the social reforms being implemented by the Obama administration are merely the continuation of a constant attempt to equalise humanity that begun in France with the Libertarian's and the Rights of Man, continued into campaigns for womens suffrage and the NHS and the Civil Right's Movement, and have now begun to spread into the areas of world poverty.

In my opinion any attempt to block these reforms and bills is a step backward towards the problems faced by Lassez Faire capitalism during the industrial revolution.

They will be blocked though, and isn't that just nothing short of very very sad.

On November 10 2009 04:27 agorist wrote:
Nobody is mentioning how the bill forces all Americans to acquire a government-approved insurance plan. Most of these options are private. Those who don't are fined.

Does nobody give a shit that the government is FORCING you to BUY something?

On November 10 2009 04:47 HwangjaeTerran wrote:


True, why are you paying any taxes then?

On November 10 2009 04:50 Undisputed- wrote:


Because if I don't, guys with guns will show up and throw me in jail. They got guns!

On November 10 2009 02:01 Sha[DoW] wrote:


Honestly, I'm Canadian and I think that centralized Healthcare is an excellent step forward for the US. It is very expensive, but it is also very useful for everyone in the middle class and below in the states.