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I just called my mom about school and apparently she said she thought it was quite interesting. Maybe I can score a tape or something from my gparents.
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no video still arrh
I give, probably watch on youtube or something later
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On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time.
what?
Center of the world has never been asia =(
Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth.
Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years)
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Canada5565 Posts
what?
Center of the world has never been asia =(
Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth.
Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years)
...nice argument...troll?
nvm lol
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On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years)
In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that?
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did anyone notice the Tibet float that said "we are continuing to peacefully develop the economy in Tibet". lol
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On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that?
most powerful country relative to what?
If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway.
Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world.
Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center
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did anyone notice the Tibet float that said "we are continuing to peacefully develop the economy in Tibet". lol
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Man, the balloons at the end were amazing, great parade!
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Canada5565 Posts
most powerful country relative to what?
If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway.
Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world.
Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center
you are so wrong, just stop
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On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center
I'd argue that the "center of the world" would have been an Abbasid Caliphate during the 1300's or so. Islamic art, science, and culture was flourishing, Arab traders traveled the world, and the culture enjoyed a military presence unmatched by any of its geographical rivals.
China also enjoyed a technologically advanced civilization, with a stable, powerful government and vast resources and influence. The Chinese military was exceptionally advanced, and like the Abbasid dynasty, China was virtually untouchable and traded with the rest of the world.
Europe was in the middle of the Dark Ages.
Africa had extraordinarily wealthy empires in Western Africa, but didn't develop an "advanced" governmental structure or advances in science.
American civilizations were separated from the rest of the world at this point.
In any case, for centuries, Western Europe could never even have been close to the level of power and or have influence as any of the Arabic empires or Chinese empires had.
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On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center
...relative to every contry in Europe? It was the DARK AGES
China was always a huge power independent of European nations... throughout the Greek and Roman civilizations, China remained a power just as huge. Once both of those ancient civilizations collapsed, China could obviously be considered the "center of the world."
If most power country by a huge margin != center of the world to you... fine?
Either way, you have no basis for any of your arguments.
"center of the world has never been asia" - disproven by loanshark
"they had the silk road and that was important but..." - completely irrelevant
I think you need to retake your high school history classes.
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On October 01 2009 13:44 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center I'd argue that the "center of the world" would have been an Abbasid Caliphate during the 1300's or so. Islamic art, science, and culture was flourishing, Arab traders traveled the world, and the culture enjoyed a military presence unmatched by any of its geographical rivals.
China also enjoyed a technologically advanced civilization, with a stable, powerful government and vast resources and influence. The Chinese military was exceptionally advanced, and like the Abbasid dynasty, China was virtually untouchable and traded with the rest of the world. Europe was in the middle of the Dark Ages. Africa had extraordinarily wealthy empires in Western Africa, but didn't develop an "advanced" governmental structure or advances in science. American civilizations were separated from the rest of the world at this point. In any case, for centuries, Western Europe could never even have been close to the level of power and or have influence as any of the Arabic empires or Chinese empires had.
I was going with the arabs being the center of the world around that time.
Ya china was around the whole time and maybe was even the most powerful country during the dark ages pre-arabs but like I said....what the hell does that matter? It doesn't make them the center of anything.
Ill make it clear.
Center of world does not equal power.
it is culture,art,knowledge,trading imo.
So ya maybe pre-arabs china could be considered the center of the world after the fall of the roman empire by some people....meh. I still wouldnt consider it myself, seems kinda like a blah time tbh. That is until the arabs showed up.
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On October 01 2009 11:29 Waffles wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this, glorification in the army. I can see no good.
are you american? have you seen the newz in the last 30 years? every day our military is glorified.
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On October 01 2009 13:48 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center ...relative to every contry in Europe? It was the DARK AGESChina was always a huge power independent of European nations... throughout the Greek and Roman civilizations, China remained a power just as huge. Once both of those ancient civilizations collapsed, China could obviously be considered the "center of the world." If most power country by a huge margin != center of the world to you... fine? Either way, you have no basis for any of your arguments. "center of the world has never been asia" - disproven by loanshark "they had the silk road and that was important but..." - completely irrelevant I think you need to retake your high school history classes.
If you think we learn about chinese history in high school history classes.....wow you overestimate americans 
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The military kind of needs glorification. It's good for recruitment and keeps up morale. Every country does it.
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plus the land of the free is in two wars, dang.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2009 13:55 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:48 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center ...relative to every contry in Europe? It was the DARK AGESChina was always a huge power independent of European nations... throughout the Greek and Roman civilizations, China remained a power just as huge. Once both of those ancient civilizations collapsed, China could obviously be considered the "center of the world." If most power country by a huge margin != center of the world to you... fine? Either way, you have no basis for any of your arguments. "center of the world has never been asia" - disproven by loanshark "they had the silk road and that was important but..." - completely irrelevant I think you need to retake your high school history classes. If you think we learn about chinese history in high school history classes.....wow you overestimate americans
rofl. that is what i was gonna say.
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On October 01 2009 13:58 omninmo wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On October 01 2009 13:55 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:48 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:
Woah woah woah.
It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.
You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world. but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time. what? Center of the world has never been asia =( Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth. Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years) In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that? most powerful country relative to what? If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway. Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world. Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center ...relative to every contry in Europe? It was the DARK AGESChina was always a huge power independent of European nations... throughout the Greek and Roman civilizations, China remained a power just as huge. Once both of those ancient civilizations collapsed, China could obviously be considered the "center of the world." If most power country by a huge margin != center of the world to you... fine? Either way, you have no basis for any of your arguments. "center of the world has never been asia" - disproven by loanshark "they had the silk road and that was important but..." - completely irrelevant I think you need to retake your high school history classes. If you think we learn about chinese history in high school history classes.....wow you overestimate americans rofl. that is what i was gonna say.
Ill add to this in saying the reason we dont learn much about china is because quite honestly the perception whether right or wrong is that they werent that important in the grand scheme of things. They were important in a sense that they had trade and were a stable power for an incredibly long time......but their sphere of influence just wasnt that big at least in the western world, probably because they kept to themselves militarily(afaik).
Thats more of what I was getting at when I was saying that china was never the center of the world.
This is coming from a "Western" viewpoint obviously.
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