China's National Day Military Parade

On October 01 2009 11:28 Slow Motion wrote:
It's just sad in general how fucked up the Nationalists were. They were handed every advantage, but chose to piss it away with every decision they made. If they weren't so corrupt/stupid back then, China might look a lot freer today.

On October 01 2009 11:28 Slow Motion wrote:
It's just sad in general how fucked up the Nationalists were. They were handed every advantage, but chose to piss it away with every decision they made. If they weren't so corrupt/stupid back then, China might look a lot freer today.

On October 01 2009 11:42 illu wrote:


You are wrong. More like Japanese fucked up Nationalists while Communists were hiding in dungeons.

On October 01 2009 11:42 illu wrote:


You are wrong. More like Japanese fucked up Nationalists while Communists were hiding in dungeons.

On October 01 2009 11:50 Durak wrote:
I didn't know women could serve in the military in China. Cool stuff.

On October 01 2009 11:42 illu wrote:


You are wrong. More like Japanese fucked up Nationalists while Communists were hiding in dungeons.

On October 01 2009 11:54 asianskill wrote:


Practically the opposite

On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote:
I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.

I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...

On October 01 2009 12:02 king_tyris wrote:


actually the Chinese military is currently superior to the States...

On October 01 2009 11:57 illu wrote:


Just look at the numbers as to how many Nationalists died in WW2 than Communists. The ratio was about 10:1.

On October 01 2009 11:57 illu wrote:


Just look at the numbers as to how many Nationalists died in WW2 than Communists. The ratio was about 10:1.

On October 01 2009 12:03 phosphorylation wrote:


lol

On October 01 2009 12:10 Slaughter wrote:


I wouldn't be surprised if this were true, the US might have a slight edge in technology but China has a way bigger army and currently the economic advantage.

On October 01 2009 11:41 Gokey wrote:
Well, China has been peaceful with their army in the sense that they haven't really invaded anyone in their history. Internal affairs are another matter, though.

Well, it's a proudful moment in China, which I think is a good thing as long as they keep on working towards reform.

On October 01 2009 12:07 Aphelion wrote:



That's cause they fought totally differently.

On October 01 2009 12:10 Slaughter wrote:


I wouldn't be surprised if this were true, the US might have a slight edge in technology but China has a way bigger army and currently the economic advantage.

On October 01 2009 12:02 king_tyris wrote:
actually the Chinese military is currently superior to the States...

On October 01 2009 12:15 synapse wrote:


I dont think it matters which army is larger...
whoever has more nukes wins rofl

On October 01 2009 12:22 Pieguy314 wrote:
Did anyone notice that when the female group was passing by, Hu Jingtao suddenly started smiling and clapping?

On October 01 2009 12:22 Pieguy314 wrote:
Did anyone notice that when the female group was passing by, Hu Jingtao suddenly started smiling and clapping?

On October 01 2009 12:15 synapse wrote:


I dont think it matters which army is larger...
whoever has more nukes wins rofl

I dont think it matters which army is larger...
whoever has more nukes wins rofl

On October 01 2009 12:16 .risingdragoon wrote:

yeah...

if there is such a thing as a winner in a nuclear war

On October 01 2009 12:31 king_tyris wrote:
I thinks its MAD mutually assured destruction

On October 01 2009 12:28 Xxio wrote:


Not really, there is something called mutual destruction. Also, it is more beneficial to get another country under your thumb and just use them for economic gain than blow them up and get nothing out of it except beef from everyone else.

People seem to think China's recent emergence is a phenomenon or something, but it isn't. The so-called rise of the West is the phenomenon. The last 200 years have been just a blip in history, a time when China hasn't been the dominant world power because of the transition to modernity. Throughout history up until the mid 1800s China was the economic (the only thing that matters) center of the world. The last 200 years and the West's dominance have been an exception to the rule.

On October 01 2009 12:08 .risingdragoon wrote:


where's your perspective? 10:1 would mean something if they had equal forces. anyway Imma avoid that deadend flame-bait discussion.

the communist movement came out of the nationalist party that focused on "rule of the people," and it was violently put down but never died. it's a long and complicated history, but point is China has restored "honor" to itself, the dragon has risen again.

On October 01 2009 12:35 tree.hugger wrote:


Woah woah woah.

It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.

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Also, none of the streams are working. Any advice?

And here's the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/01/world/asia/01china.html?hp
And WaPo with a bound-to-be controversial picture: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/30/AR2009093004853.html (/w Taiwan)

Woah woah woah.

It's pointless to argue that China was the preeminent civilization in the world throughout history, as only relatively recently have civilizations from far flung corners of the world been able to interact. Let's remember that great civilizations and empires flourished all over the world, and that at various different times each would have a serious claim at being the "dominant world power". But it's all irrelevant because until the 1400's-1500's there was little communication between these empires. In the period of history in which the far flung parts of the world have been really interacting, China has only just become considered a world power.

On October 01 2009 12:28 Xxio wrote:


Not really, there is something called mutual destruction. Also, it is more beneficial to get another country under your thumb and just use them for economic gain than blow them up and get nothing out of it except beef from everyone else.

People seem to think China's recent emergence is a phenomenon or something, but it isn't. The so-called rise of the West is the phenomenon. The last 200 years have been just a blip in history, a time when China hasn't been the dominant world power because of the transition to modernity. Throughout history up until the mid 1800s China was the economic (the only thing that matters) center of the world. The last 200 years and the West's dominance have been an exception to the rule.

On October 01 2009 12:43 Emlary wrote:
I love the pink mini-skirt/white boot women soldiers lol Though they are not real soldiers, heard they are ordinary people from the reserve force.

Can we not turn this to another to-be-closed Chinese political thread?

On October 01 2009 12:44 .risingdragoon wrote:


yeah, and China's still here. it's no small claim to be world's longest continuous culture, with the biggest GDP of any nation on earth for centuries and centuries except for the last 100 years

anyway, getting back. re-broadcast?

On October 01 2009 12:57 tree.hugger wrote:


I refreshed a couple times, and checked that I have the right firefox addons. But it just shows up blank. Might be that my college internet connection is not dealing with it properly? Sometimes it is just inexplicably slow on certain sites.

Also, I doubt GDP was ever measured until the last 100-or-so years. And what on earth is a "continuous culture"? All cultures are continuous. If by that you mean "free from outside influence" then, I'd point out that Chinese play soccer, ride bikes, drive cars, drink coca-cola, and wear suits and ties to work. Western culture is the single most influential culture of all time.

On October 01 2009 13:01 illu wrote:


On the other hand, Chinese are huge-suckers when it comes to historical drama - most Chinese are proud of the long history of China and enjoy watching them re-enacted, than for example Jerry Springers.

On October 01 2009 13:02 .risingdragoon wrote:

you got a point? and a point to your last comment?

look if you're just gonna hate then there's no point.

On October 01 2009 13:02 .risingdragoon wrote:

you got a point? and a point to your last comment?

look if you're just gonna hate then there's no point.

On October 01 2009 12:47 Xxio wrote:


You're right it is useless to compare when Europe and Chine weren't interacting with each other, but what I'm saying is that when they started to China was the center of the world.
but before that it was still the dominant world power, they created many of the inventions needed for modernization and had the biggest empire by far. Only the Romans rivaled them for a small amount of time.

what?

Center of the world has never been asia =(

Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth.

Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years)

On October 01 2009 13:26 Sadist wrote:



what?

Center of the world has never been asia =(

Whether thats due to "Western bias" or reality its the truth.

Actually OK maybe it was like 10000 years ago In India or something but definitely not recently(~past 2000 years)

On October 01 2009 13:32 Loanshark wrote:


In the Tang Dynasty China was the most powerful country in the world. That was the Dark Ages in Europe I think. How about that?

most powerful country relative to what?

If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway.

Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world.

Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center

On October 01 2009 13:35 Sadist wrote:



most powerful country relative to what?

If theres no interaction what the hell does being "powerful" really mean? Just because a country is powerful doesn't mean its the center of the world anyway.

Obviously they had the silk road and that was important but id hardly say china was the center of the world.

Maybe thats just me though. Meh. It would be like if Korea back then had been advanced as fuck....it wouldn't matter its so isolated from just about everyone that it could never be the center

On October 01 2009 13:44 Empyrean wrote:


I'd argue that the "center of the world" would have been an Abbasid Caliphate during the 1300's or so. Islamic art, science, and culture was flourishing, Arab traders traveled the world, and the culture enjoyed a military presence unmatched by any of its geographical rivals.

China also enjoyed a technologically advanced civilization, with a stable, powerful government and vast resources and influence. The Chinese military was exceptionally advanced, and like the Abbasid dynasty, China was virtually untouchable and traded with the rest of the world.

Europe was in the middle of the Dark Ages.

Africa had extraordinarily wealthy empires in Western Africa, but didn't develop an "advanced" governmental structure or advances in science.

American civilizations were separated from the rest of the world at this point.

In any case, for centuries, Western Europe could never even have been close to the level of power and or have influence as any of the Arabic empires or Chinese empires had.

On October 01 2009 11:29 Waffles wrote:
I have a bad feeling about this, glorification in the army. I can see no good.

On October 01 2009 13:48 synapse wrote:


...relative to every contry in Europe? It was the DARK AGES
China was always a huge power independent of European nations... throughout the Greek and Roman civilizations, China remained a power just as huge. Once both of those ancient civilizations collapsed, China could obviously be considered the "center of the world."

If most power country by a huge margin != center of the world to you... fine?

Either way, you have no basis for any of your arguments.
"center of the world has never been asia" - disproven by loanshark
"they had the silk road and that was important but..." - completely irrelevant
I think you need to retake your high school history classes.

+ Show Spoiler +

If you think we learn about chinese history in high school history classes.....wow you overestimate americans

On October 01 2009 13:58 omninmo wrote:


rofl. that is what i was gonna say.

Ill add to this in saying the reason we dont learn much about china is because quite honestly the perception whether right or wrong is that they werent that important in the grand scheme of things. They were important in a sense that they had trade and were a stable power for an incredibly long time......but their sphere of influence just wasnt that big at least in the western world, probably because they kept to themselves militarily(afaik).

Thats more of what I was getting at when I was saying that china was never the center of the world.

This is coming from a "Western" viewpoint obviously.

On October 01 2009 14:15 Xxio wrote:


Why are you so confident when you admit you never learned anything about this?

China invented paper, gunpowder, the compass. Without the compass there never would have been any globalization. When Europe and China began to trade in the 17th cent. China only exported (similar to today) while silver flowed in. European goods that reached China were just curiosities. Pepper from China was the most sought after and expensive good in the world along with ceramics. Ceramics "changed the standards of aesthetics in Europe" (Vermeer's Hat) and European nations fought over trade with China. China didn't give a shit about them yet through this one sided trade the East Asian Company among others that pioneered significant international trade were created. Even philosophical ideas like Indra's Net were studied by literati like Voltaire who thought that China was a utopia of Sage-King rulers. The trade was so one sided that through until the mid 19th century that Britain literally initiated war with China to create unfair treaties so they wouldn't fall victim to their own greed for Chinese goods. Chinese art, clothes, and architecture became signs of status among the European upper class. China made tea popular in Britain ffs.
Many many scholars attribute the beginnings of modernization to China.

I can provide sources if you want.

On October 01 2009 13:33 Polyphasic wrote:
did anyone notice the Tibet float that said "we are continuing to peacefully develop the economy in Tibet". lol

On October 01 2009 14:15 Xxio wrote:


Why are you so confident when you admit you never learned anything about this?

China invented paper, gunpowder, the compass. Without the compass there never would have been any globalization. When Europe and China began to trade in the 17th cent. China only exported (similar to today) while silver flowed in. European goods that reached China were just curiosities. Pepper from China was the most sought after and expensive good in the world along with ceramics. Ceramics "changed the standards of aesthetics in Europe" (Vermeer's Hat) and European nations fought over trade with China. China didn't give a shit about them yet through this one sided trade the East Asian Company among others that pioneered significant international trade were created. Even philosophical ideas like Indra's Net were studied by literati like Voltaire who thought that China was a utopia of Sage-King rulers. The trade was so one sided that through until the mid 19th century that Britain literally initiated war with China to create unfair treaties so they wouldn't fall victim to their own greed for Chinese goods. Chinese art, clothes, and architecture became signs of status among the European upper class. China made tea popular in Britain ffs.
Many many scholars attribute the beginnings of modernization to China.

I can provide sources if you want.

On October 01 2009 14:20 Empyrean wrote:


While China may have been powerful and prosperous, that doesn't mean that it was the center of the world. For much of the time period we're talking about (I'm assuming what, 800-1800s or so?), the Arabian empires were the centers of trade, where global powers would converge and do business. Even if they weren't as technologically advanced or powerful as China was (also debatable here), they were literally at the "center" of the world, where everyone came to conduct business, trade, and spread knowledge.

EDIT: I actually went to high school in the US, and we learned quite a deal about Chinese history. Just responding to whomever said that US schools don't teach Chinese history.

On October 01 2009 14:30 Slaughter wrote:
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But who really cares about all this debate? This thread isn't a pissing contest about which civilization is/was/will be the "center of the world" or best ever civilization. Practically all major ones have contributed to the world today and will continue to do so.

On October 01 2009 14:35 MuffinDude wrote:
Lol, my dad went back to china just to watch it.



A lot of things are revolved around china nowadays, as america owe china billions of dollars.

And I go to high school in US, in my senior year, taking gov/econ and trust me, you learn shit about China. All you learn is that communism takes over and how shitty mao was at running a country. You arn't taught that americans/europeans were dirty mother fuckers who took advantage of disorganized china.

On October 01 2009 14:35 MuffinDude wrote:
And I go to high school in US, in my senior year, taking gov/econ and trust me, you learn shit about China. All you learn is that communism takes over and how shitty mao was at running a country. You arn't taught that americans/europeans were dirty mother fuckers who took advantage of disorganized china.

Here are the history classes that I learned in high school.

World History - Mainly focuses on europe and china is mentioned during imperialism when european and americans are fucking china over because they look down on anybody but white
American History - Talk about china during the red scare. All I learned was some guy wanted to the nuke china during the korean war because he looked down on anybody but white
Government/Econ - Talk about how us owes china billions of dollar.

Also watch you language. Im a european and I do not like having my heritage stamped upon, as well as incorrectly portrayed by someone who clearly has not bothered to listen in class. Learn some manners, and treat everyone in the world with the respect and courtesy they deserve.

On October 01 2009 15:26 Disregard wrote:
Anyone here from Southern China (Excluding Hong Kong and Macau)?

All countries have had their problems, all have made their contributions and basically every major power, at some point has taken advantage of another country. Its the way humanity has acted for centuries.

On October 01 2009 16:31 Xxio wrote:
I think the meaning of Middle Kingdom has more to do with Confucian orthodoxy than economic or material status

On October 01 2009 16:25 illu wrote:
On the other hand, if you still think it's atrocious, here's something to keep in mind: the following countries also have specific names that are not direct transliterations:

- 英国 (Great Britain), lit. Country of Bravery
- 法国 (France), lit. Country of Law
- 德国 (Germany), lit. Country of Virtue
- 美国 (US), lit. Country of Beauty

On October 01 2009 15:45 psion0011 wrote:

Hunan motherfuckers whoo.

On October 01 2009 19:04 nttea wrote:
OMFG i opened the stream and the first thing i saw was a KFC commercial atrocious. Here's hoping china and all of the world will be good friends in the future! a military parade isn't the best way to show a friendly face though :p

On October 01 2009 19:48 pyrogenetix wrote:
lol another china thread. no comment.

didnt see the parade. is it up on youtube or somewhere? thanks.

On October 01 2009 14:50 meegrean wrote:
China has been generous. China will grow larger.

On October 01 2009 22:19 tredmasta wrote:

They'll be rebroadcasting it at 22:45 Chinese time, as well as 3:54 and 9:45 tomorrow.

That's 10:45 AM, 3:54 PM, and 9:45 PM EDT. You can find it here:
http://zhibo.guoqing.cctv.com/special/gqzb/p2p/index.shtml?chal=CCTV-1

On another note, the night celebration is currently live, and it has lots of famous Chinese singers.

Edit: You need to use IE to watch the stream.

On October 01 2009 18:58 Orlandu wrote:


This. Not originally from Hunan, but I live there now.

And I don't see why people have to shit up a thread like this... Who cares about who was the center of the world, this is a great day for China and it should be celebrated as such. Forget about any political or moral or whatever agendas you might have, just enjoy the day for what it is: a day of celebration and pride for a great country whose people love it.

I'm proud to have the opportunity to be in China and to participate in the festivities and enjoyment that have been shared here on this day and over the past week. Although I really wish I hadn't stayed out all night and slept through the parade

On October 01 2009 15:26 Disregard wrote:
Anyone here from Southern China (Excluding Hong Kong and Macau)?

On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote:
Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.

On October 02 2009 02:39 LeoTheLion wrote:


hunan people unite

where are you guys at? changsha?

On October 02 2009 03:00 gusbear wrote:


r u kidding? go ban yourself then mr "ching chang bing bong" yes that is "even slightly racist"

On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote:
I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.

I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...

On October 02 2009 04:05 Orlandu wrote:


Yeah, Changsha is where I'm at.

On October 01 2009 10:32 Masamune wrote:
I wish America did this. We probably have no clue about the kind of shit they have, with all their top secret technology and military-related stuff. It would be like looking into the future, only it would be the present.

I would probably only watch the Chinese version if it was the only program on the only television channel being broadcasted. It seems like it will just be a large bunch of people marching in unison, with second rate tech compared to the Americans, with the only message being how strong they are...

On October 01 2009 14:53 Empyrean wrote:


First, I wasn't even talking about the modern era. And if we were to, I'd argue that there isn't a single center, as economies are so interconnected these days that it'd just be foolish to argue that one country is the center of the world. Just because China holds hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. debt doesn't make it any more important than any other country; pretty much the entire global economy is so interdependent that the removal of any one node would collapse much of the current system. By that notion, China being a significant trade partner with the U.S. doesn't grant that much more clout than, say, the E.U. besides increased trade volume.

As for your high school, you must have not been lucky enough to attend one with decent history classes. In our world history class we learned all about American, European, and Japanese imperialism at China's loss and negotiations such as the Unequal Treaties, Opium Wars, and other such measures taken against a pathetically weak Qing China. As for "classical" China, we also covered the various rises and falls of different Chinese dynasties, and its relations with other powers such as caliphate Arabia, smaller Asiatic empires, and Europe.

We also learned about Mao's numerous failures (Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward) that did show that yes, there were instances in which he sucked at running a country. We also learned about Deng Xiaoping's subsequent westernization and modernization of China's industry and economy and led to its current success.

On October 01 2009 15:00 jfazz wrote:

Sounds like you really are taking your education seriously. "All I learned was...", with a lead-in like this, any argument you have to offer is completely defunct - there is much more to the story than that. Get off your high-horse and stop trying to argue that China is this pure, even handed state which the rest of the evil world is trying to corrupt.

All countries have had their problems, all have made their contributions and basically every major power, at some point has taken advantage of another country. Its the way humanity has acted for centuries.

Also watch you language. Im a european and I do not like having my heritage stamped upon, as well as incorrectly portrayed by someone who clearly has not bothered to listen in class. Learn some manners, and treat everyone in the world with the respect and courtesy they deserve.

On October 01 2009 16:17 jfazz wrote:
Read what i said more carefully before posting please. Did I ever say european countries have never caused harm to other countires?

Actually, it looks like I said exactly what you are saying...

On October 02 2009 05:20 Masamune wrote:

China has already caught up to the US and other European countries in terms of military technology, that's why they buy equipment from Russia.

But as far as I know, Timbuktu is also on the verge of rivaling the American and Chinese military. In fact, they have new biological missiles, which when detonated, fly over enemy territories and release a newly bioengineered species of Cordyceps that affect Homosapiens. This causes its victims to find the highest altitude they can reach (usually skyscrapers in metropolises or barns in rural areas), where they die shortly after, releasing more of these deadly spores onto unknowing victims.

On October 01 2009 16:59 .risingdragoon wrote:


This is all bullshit and complete transliteration.

The Chinese names take the first sound of every country's original name.

En, Fr, Deu, Me

There's no reason anyone needs to even defend the name "Middle Kingdom." It came into use not at the beginning but sometime later, and it's built into the identity of the country's long history.

On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote:
Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.

On October 01 2009 11:49 Kennigit wrote:
Oh god here we fucking go....next even slightly nationalistic/china bash/racist comment = 1000 year ching chong bing bong ban.

On October 02 2009 04:05 Masamune wrote:

gee, I wonder where you're from.

On October 02 2009 11:10 Avidkeystamper wrote:

Does it matter?

On October 02 2009 10:40 MuffinDude wrote:
[Oh stop arguing about the military. We're at a point where if we declared war on each other, we can end humanity.

On October 02 2009 11:35 Masamune wrote:
Lol, I'm not racist, I just don't like ignorant nationalism. There's a reason why the China topics are always closed, when say, a topic regarding Japan will generally stay on course.

I don't see why there can't be more Chinese posters like Affla or Empyrean who are objective and proud of their country, yet not as retarded. Sorry for lack of better words.

On October 02 2009 11:40 Masamune wrote:

And since this is a topic of China's military might, yes there can be a valid comparison drawn. Both countries can end humanity, but one can do it much more efficiently, quicker, and more times over, just to name a few.

On October 02 2009 11:59 .risingdragoon wrote:
lol, it ain't him muffindude. he's just a some guy on the internet, the imperialists from the last century were businessmen. England funded their industrialization on colonialism. anyway the cost of modernity has been high but China needed it and with no foreign controling elements. The Chinese managed both which is reason for praise already. Last I check there ain't no foreign military base in the Middle Kingdom. Feel me?

And no, it doesn't matter Masamune. Why do you have to be Chinese to care?

Do you really think it makes any difference how many times a country can destroy the earth? Nobody wants even 1/10 destroyed. Sounds like something a kid would say.

On October 02 2009 12:21 DrainX wrote:
It's funny how every topic mentioning china has to turn into a political discussion.

On October 01 2009 15:45 psion0011 wrote:

Hunan motherfuckers whoo.

On October 02 2009 13:01 synapse wrote:


I think i'll argue against you just for fun.

A country's military fights in war; If a war between two countries is to protect those respective countries' people, and both countries can send nukes at each other and instantly wipe out a good portion of each others' people, then there is no point in comparing their militaries.

Your analogy doesn't work because comparing the temperatures of Uranus and Neptune does not only serve the purpose for pioneering human settlement (which is your point, obviously). War does only serve one purpose, and thus:

On October 02 2009 13:44 potchip wrote:

You missed Masamune's point entirely. He compared the likihood of one country using nukes in a war to the likelihood of humans want to settle on Uranus/Neptune. Having Nuclear weapons do not nullify the need of a military force. Nukes have very limited application and severe consequences. It is like you have a $1000000000000000 note, nice for bragging rights, but no-one is going to accept it and give you $999999999999912 in change.

So comparing the conventional military technology between US and China is still valid, thus there are continuous spending into these areas. Governments are not stupid.

On October 02 2009 15:06 Valentine wrote:
So today while waiting to get my ID card updated (my dad just retired from military), I had the pleasure of watching Fox News in the lobby. They were discussing how stupid it is for the empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.

On October 02 2009 05:20 Masamune wrote:

China has already caught up to the US and other European countries in terms of military technology, that's why they buy equipment from Russia.

But as far as I know, Timbuktu is also on the verge of rivaling the American and Chinese military. In fact, they have new biological missiles, which when detonated, fly over enemy territories and release a newly bioengineered species of Cordyceps that affect Homosapiens. This causes its victims to find the highest altitude they can reach (usually skyscrapers in metropolises or barns in rural areas), where they die shortly after, releasing more of these deadly spores onto unknowing victims.

On October 02 2009 15:34 reincremate wrote:

Timbuktu isn't a country, smartass.

On October 02 2009 15:36 Loser777 wrote:

lol, it was a joke

On October 01 2009 14:15 Xxio wrote:


Why are you so confident when you admit you never learned anything about this?

China invented paper, gunpowder, the compass. Without the compass there never would have been any globalization. When Europe and China began to trade in the 17th cent. China only exported (similar to today) while silver flowed in. European goods that reached China were just curiosities. Pepper from China was the most sought after and expensive good in the world along with ceramics. Ceramics "changed the standards of aesthetics in Europe" (Vermeer's Hat) and European nations fought over trade with China. China didn't give a shit about them yet through this one sided trade the East Asian Company among others that pioneered significant international trade were created. Even philosophical ideas like Indra's Net were studied by literati like Voltaire who thought that China was a utopia of Sage-King rulers. The trade was so one sided that through until the mid 19th century that Britain literally initiated war with China to create unfair treaties so they wouldn't fall victim to their own greed for Chinese goods. Chinese art, clothes, and architecture became signs of status among the European upper class. China made tea popular in Britain ffs.
Many many scholars attribute the beginnings of modernization to China.

I can provide sources if you want.

You arn't taught that americans/europeans were dirty mother fuckers who took advantage of disorganized china.

On October 02 2009 17:06 Manifesto7 wrote:

Finally to MuffinDude, while I can appreciate that outsiders have not always dealt well with China, lets not forget that China in the past 60 years has done more damage to itself than its contact with outside powers the entire span of history.

On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:


This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.

On October 02 2009 17:06 Manifesto7 wrote:

Finally to MuffinDude, while I can appreciate that outsiders have not always dealt well with China, lets not forget that China in the past 60 years has done more damage to itself than its contact with outside powers the entire span of history.

On October 02 2009 18:17 haduken wrote:
Mao didn't get nukes for China. Smart expats who studied overseas did that for him.

His single greatest achievement was stood up to the soviets when it mattered (after korean war).

On October 02 2009 17:48 Velr wrote:
A Chinese claiming that other countries are not informed well enough about the history of other countries is very ironic. You are not even really informed, or at least your goverment tries to not inform, about some of the more recent history of your own country. So don't be so critical at people from other parts of the world not knowing everything about your history.

On October 02 2009 17:42 dongfeng wrote:


Im far from a nationalist being born in hk and but id argue the credibility of this statement. In terms of what? And also source?

Mao may have had shitty internal policies but he got nukes for China, which were quite necessary considering the geopolitical instability at the time.

On October 02 2009 18:19 MuffinDude wrote:


Does that give them any more right to go screw around others? If thats the case, then we should fuck over iraq because that place is in a turmoil! And guess what? The reason why China did so much damage to itself in the past 60 years was also partly because european/americans screwed around with china!

On October 02 2009 18:37 Railxp wrote:


uh, the great fail leap forward, 3 million starved to death? the destruction of Confucian ethics? the smoking rubble of demolished art and sculptures of great historic value? the pyre of burned books? a generation of uneducated people who were basically robbed of the prime of their lives and now do not have the necessary skills to re-integrate into the workforce?

getting nukes for china is nothing. Nukes are cheap, even north korea can afford it. It is DengXiaoping's economic policies that are carrying China forward. Mao's shenanigan policies after repelling the Japanese cost us dearly.

On October 02 2009 18:19 MuffinDude wrote:


Does that give them any more right to go screw around others? If thats the case, then we should fuck over iraq because that place is in a turmoil! And guess what? The reason why China did so much damage to itself in the past 60 years was also partly because european/americans screwed around with china!



Although I hate mao personally, I think his greatest achievement was getting rid of the corrupt nationalists.



I wouldn't mind people not knowing about other country's history, as I don't know a lot of other country's history, but it annoys the hell out me when people think that they're all virtuous and shit because thats all they learned and a lot of sins were omitted from the curriculum.

I don't hate white people, but it just pisses me off at all the comments that they make about China when China became like this partly because of white people.

On October 01 2009 15:17 Slow Motion wrote:
And lets not get bent out of shape in a pissing contest about what country is the center of the world. Not only is it stupid, it is a clear insult to Niger, obviously the center of the world as shown by this map.

On October 02 2009 19:08 haduken wrote:
China was weak and ill with social and economical problems and that's the cause for European exploitation.

Even without European intervention, the country was collapsing on itself, soon or later civil wars and changing of dynasty would happen and people would still die. It's written in the history books, not exactly uncommon.

European played a part in this but it's unfair to blame them for the decades of turmoil. No European power at the time was strong enough or had the will to colonise and control the entire country. (refer to European intervention in Manchuria).

On October 02 2009 05:20 Masamune wrote:

China has already caught up to the US and other European countries in terms of military technology, that's why they buy equipment from Russia.

But as far as I know, Timbuktu is also on the verge of rivaling the American and Chinese military. In fact, they have new biological missiles, which when detonated, fly over enemy territories and release a newly bioengineered species of Cordyceps that affect Homosapiens. This causes its victims to find the highest altitude they can reach (usually skyscrapers in metropolises or barns in rural areas), where they die shortly after, releasing more of these deadly spores onto unknowing victims.

On October 02 2009 10:19 Taku wrote:
For those who haven't seen the actual parade, it's on youtube in HD. Anyways, let's see America top this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDtR2QybB58 :'D

On October 02 2009 19:06 Orlandu wrote:


Why do you try to victimize yourself and China so much? Yeah, it's true that China was abused pretty hard by foreigners for awhile, but it's ridiculous to imply that the things that were Mao's fault had anything to do with the West. His decisions were totally his own, and in fact, if he had listened to people like Deng Xiaoping and Liu Shaoqi who were actually preaching economic ideology from the West, a lot of the damage could potentially have been avoided.

Whether you realize it or not, you suffer from the same skewed, biased perceptions that you're accusing other people of. You can't single out white people for hurting China and expect to be taken seriously at all, ESPECIALLY when you don't even mention Japan, and then accuse other people of not getting all the facts from their "curriculum." But that's irrelevant, because the point is that you're trying to play the victim and creating further conflict in a situation where there shouldn't even be conflict. You shouldn't be pointing fingers or singling out anyone. That just makes you look like a bitter, spoiled kid who was told something by someone (likely a bitter family member) and blindly believed it without ever looking at the facts objectively, which is basically just ignorance. Why put yourself into that position and make people think that way about you when you're probably a pretty smart guy?

On October 03 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote:
First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact.

On October 03 2009 10:57 jfazz wrote:

Yeah, and you're not a racist? Please. I think you greatly underestimate what the West has given China for China's own benefit. Good and bad flows both ways in the modern world.

On October 03 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote:


First of all, white people are racist. You can't deny that fact. Americans make more hate comments on China than Japanese do nowadays. I'm the kind of person who forgets about the past, but I do care if people still talk shit about China today. And you should know that whenever China is mentioned, its usually the Chinese who gets their fingers pointed and called commie first. Maybe if you stop acting like a spoiled brat and think your race is better than everyone else's and other rather races are equivalent to shit then I won't have to point fingers at others.

I never agreed with the things Mao did, but so what if it could of happened even if foreigners didn't exploit the Chinese, does that give foreigners any more reason to exploit the Chinese? The Japanese already have given a formal apology for the rape of nanking. So wheres the formal apology for getting thousand of Chinese people addicted to drugs?

On October 03 2009 11:12 jfazz wrote:
Its quite clear you are a racist, given the absolutes with which you validate your arguments. Anyway, thanks for ignoring the actual point of my previous post, to which I assume you have no asnwer? Whenever else you have retorted it has been via some long winded mix-up of ideas, so given the lack of such absurdity in your last reesponse, I am assuming acceptance of my point?

Ill admit there are a lot of racist white people. Perhaps your experiences have been truly terrible and I am simply misunderstanding the gravity of the situations you have experienced. BUT - you are been racist. Not all white people are evil and bent on mistreating the chinese. You don't have any white friends at all? Not one of us equal value to you?

On October 03 2009 11:19 Valentine wrote:

Could you elaborate on this part? See I'm just a jive ass turkey and don't understand what you're babbling about because I didn't pay attention in high school.

On October 02 2009 15:19 MuffinDude wrote:


This commie shit is equivalent to your fourth of july shit made by bunch of whiners who didn't want to pay tax that was half as much as what the british were paying.

On October 03 2009 11:25 haduken wrote:
can we ban this idiot already.

On October 03 2009 11:25 Valentine wrote:
I think it would, since I'm not in high school and would like to learn, friendo. Preach to me.

Also:



This was me joking and disagreeing with Fox, so try not to get so bitter about every little thing, lol. And their argument is that it's a foreign holiday, so why should we be celebrating. Comparing it to the 4th of July doesn't really seem like a good argument in this case.

On October 03 2009 11:25 haduken wrote:
can we ban this idiot already.

On October 03 2009 11:28 MuffinDude wrote:


Well whoops. I didn't notice that you were making a joke.
There are times when you shouldn't joke about some things. You should read the mood more.

he empire state building, a great figure of American success, to light up in colors to celebrate this commie shit.

On October 03 2009 11:29 Valentine wrote:

How the fuck did you really expect me to say
in complete seriousness?

Also, answer what I was asking please = [