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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula."
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Mohammed and the Qu'ran can say it publicly but he can't privately?
I have yet to see what exactly is "crazy" about this professor. As far as I am concerned he did what teachers do, teach.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
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physician, we all know that every single religion has produced nothing but evils in our world. no need to preach to the choir here about religion not being a mode of peace like a lot of people love to claim (whichever religion they are a part of)
the professors examples were 100% correct. he did go a little over the top when he was calling them basically backward barbarians, but up until that point, everything he said was trueeeeeeeee.
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I think we'd all run out of breath before we exhausted the hypocrisy of major religions. To be an apologist for everyone who is for or against something would, in the end, be a futile exercise. History is full of great Christians and terrible Muslims, terrible Christians and great Muslims.
Ironically, one of the biggest problems of today is unleashed rhetoric, similar to that used by the professor. It's incendiary language like that which fuels the fires of today's divides.
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On September 17 2009 17:37 GOB wrote:
I think we'd all run out of breath before we exhausted the hypocrisy of major religions. To be an apologist for everyone who is for or against something would, in the end, be a futile exercise. History is full of great Christians and terrible Muslims, terrible Christians and great Muslims.
Ironically, one of the biggest problems of today is unleashed rhetoric, similar to that used by the professor. It's incendiary language like that which fuels the fires of today's divides.
i believe a bigger problem is the peoples issue with listening to other opinions. they are so devoted to one set of ideas and dont listen to reasoning, logic, facts etc. ignorant dumb people span across the globe and are becoming bigger portion of the population. i wonder how bad this world will be before we finally turn it around as a humans as a whole and try to better ourselves instead of busy fucking each other in the back.
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nothing he said was inaccurate. nothing wrong with him offending people with the truth
id say one of the biggest problems of today are the idiots that react (burn, murder, pillage) to those 'incendiary words'
the only really wrong stuff he said was when he directly called the students slave traders and all that jazz
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United States44071 Posts
On September 17 2009 17:32 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:26 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 17:25 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 17:08 JohnColtrane wrote:
rofl...protesting cartoons
how fucking stupid can you get
imo theres nothing wrong with the letter, it speaks the truth. maybe it was a little aggressive, but its fine. although the student union probably have nothing to do with the atrocities, it doesnt mean hes addressed the wrong people.
i dont see why these people protest shit like cartoons but not murders, beheadings and rape because for these students part of the moslem organization, they are martyrs dieing for their religion. they are doing allah's will and why criticize heroes doing gods will in your eyes? hahahaha i know thats really bad but it is kind of odd, why don't these reasonable muslims every fight against the crimes people who claim to be part of their culture/religion/nations commit. i mean especially about the dutch filmmaker, he makes one film decrying violence of the islamic religion and he gets murdered? no muslim spared him any tears(i remember following that) but whatever, ive come to realize things don't change in the world. the idiots will keep staying idiots, the racists keep being racists and muslims won't ever turn their back on their own no matter how heinous their crimes. Liberal Muslim organisations in the UK are put on tv to condemn violence and read selected antiviolence parts of the Koran every time this happens. Don't generalise them all. they are few and far inbetween. more times than not, its more along the lines of the lockerbie bombing prisoner going home to a hero's welcome.
Obv the ones outside the Western world will be less Westernized. You can't judge them from the actions of Libyans. A lot of Muslims in Britain, particularly second and third generation Muslims take an extremely literal reading of the Koran that is, in practice, virtually indistinguishable from the stance a liberal Christian would take.
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On September 17 2009 17:43 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:37 GOB wrote:
I think we'd all run out of breath before we exhausted the hypocrisy of major religions. To be an apologist for everyone who is for or against something would, in the end, be a futile exercise. History is full of great Christians and terrible Muslims, terrible Christians and great Muslims.
Ironically, one of the biggest problems of today is unleashed rhetoric, similar to that used by the professor. It's incendiary language like that which fuels the fires of today's divides. i believe a bigger problem is the peoples issue with listening to other opinions. they are so devoted to one set of ideas and dont listen to reasoning, logic, facts etc. ignorant dumb people span across the globe and are becoming bigger portion of the population. i wonder how bad this world will be before we finally turn it around as a humans as a whole and try to better ourselves instead of busy fucking each other in the back.
I understand where you're coming from. One of the most frightening revelations I've had is that if you take the person of the most average intellect, half the world is still below that line.
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am i a bad person because i agree with him?
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United States44071 Posts
On September 17 2009 17:32 Physician wrote:Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Mohammed and the Qu'ran can say it publicly but he can't privately? I have yet to see what exactly is "crazy" about this professor. As far as I am concerned he did what teachers do, teach. http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Unless he was satirising freedom of speech to make an ironic point he was just being a bigot. The whole "if you don't like it you can go home" speech is wrong, especially given how a lot of Muslims are born in the Western world and associate culturally with it. Judging a whole religion by the actions of extremists is retarded. On a similar note, judging the practice of a religion in the 21st Century by religious texts is pretty retarded too. All you've proved was that Muhammad was a violent guy, we knew that already, we got that about the time when he unified Arabia by force. You've yet to make the leap to that making Islam today violent or Muslims violent.
Extremists are violent.
Nationalists are violent.
Muslims can be violent or non violent depending on whether they are inclined to be violent. You won't see someone who is a pacifist by inclination but by virtue of their religion decide they have to go out and kill the infidels.
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On September 17 2009 17:48 GOB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:43 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 17:37 GOB wrote:
I think we'd all run out of breath before we exhausted the hypocrisy of major religions. To be an apologist for everyone who is for or against something would, in the end, be a futile exercise. History is full of great Christians and terrible Muslims, terrible Christians and great Muslims.
Ironically, one of the biggest problems of today is unleashed rhetoric, similar to that used by the professor. It's incendiary language like that which fuels the fires of today's divides. i believe a bigger problem is the peoples issue with listening to other opinions. they are so devoted to one set of ideas and dont listen to reasoning, logic, facts etc. ignorant dumb people span across the globe and are becoming bigger portion of the population. i wonder how bad this world will be before we finally turn it around as a humans as a whole and try to better ourselves instead of busy fucking each other in the back. I understand where you're coming from. One of the most frightening revelations I've had is that if you take the person of the most average intellect, half the world is still below that line.
i know what you mean. i recently met a dumb jew, didnt know they existed outside of the rabbi line haha. but yeah, george carlin had a great line about how dumb people are..
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
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On September 17 2009 17:51 daz wrote:
am i a bad person because i agree with him?
no you are not. because he is 100% correct in his examples, his right to protest another protest, and the immigrants are free to choose to accept that everyone has a right to speak their minds or go back to their home country which is so much more "tolerant" of their beliefs (of course this doesnt apply if you are gay, atheist or a woman)
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Im not sure if everyone here really knows the story about the cartoons. Originally they were intended for a childrensbook but noone would make the illustrations for it. After hearing this the newspaper "Jyllandsposten" hired some journalists to make some random drawings of muhammed so that people wouldnt be so silly as to not make illustrations in a childrensbook. You know the rest.
But honestly, this was a student organisation. These people have something in common and they make an organisation so that they can hang out together. These kids only protested becourse other muslims did, and that makes them feel like muslims, thats all there is to it. Alot of people in the middle east have a completely different background than us and dont nessesarily have an education. These people will do as they are told by their religion, there is nothing more to it.
I think that you guys are really stupid in the way you view this. All the attacks that have originated from arabic people come from a pretty small group of people NOT all muslims!
These cartoons attacked EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM in the world! That is the difference.
Telling these kids that what they are doing is stupid becourse some people far away do stupid shit and have their religion in common is the most stupid and racist thing ive ever heard. This kind of anti-religion is really uneducated, im suprised that hes allowed to be a proffesor.
edit: some typos
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well i think its pretty fucking stupid if you protest simply because some else does it
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United States44071 Posts
On September 17 2009 18:09 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:51 daz wrote:
am i a bad person because i agree with him? no you are not. because he is 100% correct in his examples, his right to protest another protest, and the immigrants are free to choose to accept that everyone has a right to speak their minds or go back to their home country which is so much more "tolerant" of their beliefs (of course this doesnt apply if you are gay, atheist or a woman)
What about American Muslims?
Edit: In fact, I find the idea of saying "if you don't like it you can go home" conceptually abhorrent. It's basically saying "you're an outsider, we don't like your kind here, you should go be with your own kind because it's us vs them and you're not one of us". It's a really polarising thing where there really is no need for polarisation. Imagine in a school prayer debate if you said "This is America, we have separation of Church and State and if you don't like it you and your whole Papist family can piss off back to Ireland or wherever the fuck you came from." to someone whose family had been in the United States since the 1850s when they immigrated from France. It's just retarded.
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On September 17 2009 18:16 JohnColtrane wrote:
well i think its pretty fucking stupid if you protest simply because some else does it
you expect much more out of any fool who blindly follows a religion who claims their god is omnipotent and you are guaranteed to go to heaven or whatever by either giving away your money to some diety, killing your way in(look at Physicians post on top of page 5) or following 10 rules?
you sir, are asking too much of these thick headed people.
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On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:09 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 17:51 daz wrote:
am i a bad person because i agree with him? no you are not. because he is 100% correct in his examples, his right to protest another protest, and the immigrants are free to choose to accept that everyone has a right to speak their minds or go back to their home country which is so much more "tolerant" of their beliefs (of course this doesnt apply if you are gay, atheist or a woman) What about American Muslims?
oh like the american muslims who were supposedly moderate and successful in buffalo ny who started a news station to speak to the masses that islam is not a religion of violence and tried to fight the stereotype. the husband proceeded to behead his wife because she wanted a divorce and put a restraining order on his ass. so much for breaking the stereotype that educated muslims in the west arent backwards like those in their home country. doesnt matter what country you live in, they adhere to their beliefs. of course this doesn't apply if they drop their religion.
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United States44071 Posts
On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:09 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 17:51 daz wrote:
am i a bad person because i agree with him? no you are not. because he is 100% correct in his examples, his right to protest another protest, and the immigrants are free to choose to accept that everyone has a right to speak their minds or go back to their home country which is so much more "tolerant" of their beliefs (of course this doesnt apply if you are gay, atheist or a woman) What about American Muslims? oh like the american muslims who were supposedly moderate and successful in buffalo ny who started a news station to speak to the masses that islam is not a religion of violence and tried to fight the stereotype. the husband proceeded to behead his wife because she wanted a divorce and put a restraining order on his ass. so much for breaking the stereotype that educated muslims in the west arent backwards like those in their home country. doesnt matter what country you live in, they adhere to their beliefs. of course this doesn't apply if they drop their religion.
Oh. My bad. American Muslims generally behead their wives. Got it.
Well at least that problem is self resolving, they'll not have children and will have trouble getting married so they'll die out soon.
If only we can find a way of stopping them raping our pure white women. 
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United States44071 Posts
Also lol, like those in their home country? My point was Muslims for whom America is their home country. lol
You really are showing yourself to be quite a bigot.
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On September 17 2009 18:11 Kong John wrote:
Im not sure if everyone here really knows the story about the cartoons. Originally they were intended for a childrensbook but noone would make the illustrations for it. After hearing this the newspaper "Jyllandsposten" hired some journalists to make some random drawings of muhammed so that people wouldnt be so silly as to not make illustrations in a childrensbook. You know the rest.
But honestly, this was a student organisation. These people have something in common and they make an organisation so that they can hang out together. These kids only protested becourse other muslims did, and that makes them feel like muslims, thats all there is to it. Alot of people in the middle east have a completely different background than us and dont nessesarily have an education. These people will do as they are told by their religion, there is nothing more to it.
I think that you guys are really stupid in the way you view this. All the attacks that have originated from arabic people come from a pretty small group of people NOT all muslims!
These cartoons attacked EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM in the world! That is the difference.
Telling these kids that what they are doing is stupid becourse some people far away do stupid shit and have their religion in common is the most stupid and racist thing ive ever heard. This kind of anti-religion is really uneducated, im suprised that hes allowed to be a proffesor.
edit: some typos
Anything anti-religion is the exact opposite of stupid by definition. oh and please do explain how cartoons can attack people. It's seriously a huge fucking problem that people in western countries have to be afraid of what they say about a backwards, violent, religion in fear of their lives, and a lot of people even support this lunacy. I know these guys are just a student group, but by protesting these cartoons they are intentionally associating themselves with the same attitude of those groups of people who are issuing death threats and actually following up with them. And besides, just because they are a student group doesn't necessarily mean they are all liberal and non-violent, I mean you would expect those muslims who have emigrated to Denmark or France or whatever western country to also be liberal and civilized people, seeing as how they were smart enough to want to leave the countries that are fucked up due to their backward beliefs, but then a cartoon gets published and next thing you know there's riots, death threats and murders.
/end rant
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United States44071 Posts
On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:backwards like those in their home country
Lol bigotry.
Silly American. Quit being so backwards.
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