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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On September 17 2009 21:40 Avius wrote: I am at loss for words for people who think that this letter is "absolutely" right. Avius are you really in Iraq? | ||
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10798 Posts
On September 17 2009 21:32 Too_MuchZerg wrote: I have a teacher who has been banned from sending research material to one of internet sites which gathers all materials from physics things (he showed paper which says "you account has been banned). Even page says they accept everything. That what you get if you interested about cold fusion, ban for life :D. Though that teacher was pretty funny overall. Other teacher worked NASA in USA, but later when he was almost done he heard that his work is going to be used for cold war purpose. He left USA back to Finland and hide all papers to little cabin. LOL. FBI/CIA wasn't happy. He still has those papers (though outdated nowdays). I know a professor from the Russia/UDSSR who researched Moscows heat/warmth efficiency. He found out that it would be ok/good... But the Highways completly destroy it and make it one of the worst constructed cities in the world :p. At least that was, how i understod it. He got his Dr. title for it but had to promise to never ever make his studys public :p. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
No, I am a German citizen and as such I identify myself. I am an Iraqi Kurd, though. That is my undeniable heritage and I am proud of it. Of course the professor has every right to protest the protest. Freedom of speech should never be second guessed. But freedom of speech (or any freedom for that matter) is only warranted until it cuts into another person's or demographic's freedom. Yes, we take our religion seriously, woe is us. Why draw comics or say something only for the sake of confrontation? If Christians or Jews or any other religion has no problem with their religion being ridiculed, so be it. Thou art truly greater than us. But only because you can, doesn't mean that we will stand for it. Of course, all you saw was the burning flags etc, which was WRONG. Muslims nowadays tend to overreact because they are told something which is untrue and spiral downards in this so called "hate against the west". It has a culture of its own, which is wrong in its very core. But so is the western idea of us being terrorists and them being afraid of us and the way we muslims are being portrayed around the world. For instance: Just as the professor was right to protest the protest, the Islamic student organization at that university had the right to protest the comics. And seeing as this was done on university level, I do not think they started throwing bombs and such. I could guarantee you that this was a peaceful protest. I am a muslim and definitely not ashamed of it. We take pride in our religion and we're not war mongerers or hate-speakers. That what the media shows you is the epitome of generalization. The picture being portrayed, that we are evil bomb setting terrorists with no hearts whatsoever is just wrong and many of you realize that. Hence my shock about all the "this guy is absolutely right" comments. I could point out just as many claims against any other religious or demographic group for their atrocities, but we would not be one single inch closer to "resolving", if that is ever possible, problems. It sadly is a standstill which will take years over years, if ever, to conclude. I know I won't convince anyone in this thread, but the Islam is a religion of peace and respect. What Physician posted is out of context. It's nice to see the word "fight" and associate murder and genocide with it or what not. But fighting means so much more. You can fight peacefully for example and that is exactly what you should do. In the Qur'an it also says: respect thy fellow neighbour, just as it says in every other religion or even COMMON SENSE. It also states, word by word, that you should respect Christians and Jews alike. There is so much more I want to write but I can't because I barely have time. Wishing you guys a pleasent evening. | ||
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Starparty
Sweden1963 Posts
On September 17 2009 12:52 Sadist wrote: I call bullshit on most of that. While people being offended about it im sure happened. Even if there were thousands marching thats a drop in the population. Not everyone in Iran is a fucking nut who screams death to america. Lol are you kidding, did you not even know this had happened before reading the op? It was a REALLY big deal, so before you go and "call bullshit" on anyone, do even the slightest amount of research first. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
On September 17 2009 13:05 win8282 wrote: And if you took everyword the bible says at its face value, you'd have to execute every gay, lesbo, cheating husbands/wives, the list goes on. (sarcasm)So yeah. It is inherent in Christian culture that violence against such groups is not only good, but supported by God. Long live the KKK! Well, 'sarcastically' speaking, you're equivocating Judaism (Old Testament; Tanakh) with Christianity (New Testament). Perhaps we (Christians) should have all followed Marcion when he, in comprising his New Testament canon, threw out all of the Old Testament -- that archaic God of the Jews! One wonders why the early New Testament church did not spend their time killing sexual sinners! For heaven's sake, they lived in Rome! There's a lot more that could be said, though I think the easiest thing to say is that you just aren't clever. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
On September 17 2009 22:07 Avius wrote: No, I am a German citizen and as such I identify myself. I am an Iraqi Kurd, though. That is my undeniable heritage and I am proud of it. Of course the professor has every right to protest the protest. Freedom of speech should never be second guessed. But freedom of speech (or any freedom for that matter) is only warranted until it cuts into another person's or demographic's freedom. Yes, we take our religion seriously, woe is us. Why draw comics or say something only for the sake of confrontation? If Christians or Jews or any other religion has no problem with their religion being ridiculed, so be it. Thou art truly greater than us. But only because you can, doesn't mean that we will stand for it. Of course, all you saw was the burning flags etc, which was WRONG. Muslims nowadays tend to overreact because they are told something which is untrue and spiral downards in this so called "hate against the west". It has a culture of its own, which is wrong in its very core. But so is the western idea of us being terrorists and them being afraid of us and the way we muslims are being portrayed around the world. For instance: Just as the professor was right to protest the protest, the Islamic student organization at that university had the right to protest the comics. And seeing as this was done on university level, I do not think they started throwing bombs and such. I could guarantee you that this was a peaceful protest. I am a muslim and definitely not ashamed of it. We take pride in our religion and we're not war mongerers or hate-speakers. That what the media shows you is the epitome of generalization. The picture being portrayed, that we are evil bomb setting terrorists with no hearts whatsoever is just wrong and many of you realize that. Hence my shock about all the "this guy is absolutely right" comments. I could point out just as many claims against any other religious or demographic group for their atrocities, but we would not be one single inch closer to "resolving", if that is ever possible, problems. It sadly is a standstill which will take years over years, if ever, to conclude. I know I won't convince anyone in this thread, but the Islam is a religion of peace and respect. What Physician posted is out of context. It's nice to see the word "fight" and associate murder and genocide with it or what not. But fighting means so much more. You can fight peacefully for example and that is exactly what you should do. In the Qur'an it also says: respect thy fellow neighbour, just as it says in every other religion or even COMMON SENSE. It also states, word by word, that you should respect Christians and Jews alike. There is so much more I want to write but I can't because I barely have time. Wishing you guys a pleasent evening. the problem with this world is that people will use religion as a mode of control over a populace. i mean you hear the hate mongering that people spew who have power throughout the middle east and you just cringe. shouldnt be that way but whenever some group comes in power with no checks and balances shit hits the fan. the problem is the religion has been hijacked by maniacs and ego driven bastards who are using the islam religion for their own hate driven agendas. quick question though, are women treated that bad over there? my friend was going through even morocco and people were leering at her in the most uncomfortable ways and that country is alot more lenient than saudi or iran | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On September 17 2009 17:45 JohnColtrane wrote: nothing he said was inaccurate. nothing wrong with him offending people with the truth id say one of the biggest problems of today are the idiots that react (burn, murder, pillage) to those 'incendiary words' the only really wrong stuff he said was when he directly called the students slave traders and all that jazz YOU AND YOUR JAZZ COLTRANE YOU AND YOUR JAZZ. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 18 2009 02:50 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: So what happened to freedom of speech in this country? So what, he's a nut? Since when was being opinionated legal, because if it is, I need to turn myself in. What does freedom of speech have to do with it? I haven't seen anyone here advocate jail-time or some other punishment for the professor. And the government certainly isn't working to punish him. It looks like freedom of speech is alive and well in this country. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
On September 18 2009 02:57 piratebay wrote: the problem with this world is that people will use religion as a mode of control over a populace. i mean you hear the hate mongering that people spew who have power throughout the middle east and you just cringe. shouldnt be that way but whenever some group comes in power with no checks and balances shit hits the fan. the problem is the religion has been hijacked by maniacs and ego driven bastards who are using the islam religion for their own hate driven agendas. quick question though, are women treated that bad over there? my friend was going through even morocco and people were leering at her in the most uncomfortable ways and that country is alot more lenient than saudi or iran You absolutely hit the nail on the head. And as a muslim, I condemn those people (especially other muslims) who would abuse religion, any religion in fact, to achieve any hidden agenda. I will give you that even I don't like the way women are treated in countries like Saudi Arabia and the like. But I can speak for my country: women are not treated badly. In fact, they (like in the western world) are encouraged to go to school and university and look for a job. Just like we have it everywhere around here. They can do whatever they want and wear whatever they want. At least it is like that for the Kurdish part of Iraq. I dare say, though, that we are more liberal than our neighbours. But this is just my point of view, no offense to other people. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
the generalized prejudice was uncalled for, however. | ||
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Mah Buckit!
Finland474 Posts
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
On September 18 2009 04:28 Mah Buckit! wrote: Well he seems like an okay guy. No point in that e-mail to those moslems, if you could reason with religious people there would be no religious people. he was clearly religious himself, interestingly enough | ||
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s_side
United States700 Posts
On September 18 2009 03:55 Avius wrote: You absolutely hit the nail on the head. And as a muslim, I condemn those people (especially other muslims) who would abuse religion, any religion in fact, to achieve any hidden agenda. I will give you that even I don't like the way women are treated in countries like Saudi Arabia and the like. But I can speak for my country: women are not treated badly. In fact, they (like in the western world) are encouraged to go to school and university and look for a job. Just like we have it everywhere around here. They can do whatever they want and wear whatever they want. At least it is like that for the Kurdish part of Iraq. I dare say, though, that we are more liberal than our neighbours. But this is just my point of view, no offense to other people. I always thought the Kurds were much more reformed than the Arabs when it came to women and religion. Maybe it's from all the experience that they've had with the Sunni extremists brand of Islam. | ||
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On September 17 2009 19:08 Kong John wrote: You know, most emigrants with arab background who have come to Denmark have either come due to our campaign in the seventies about comeing to Denmark and work. Or they are fugitives. Atleast half the muslims in Denmark are fugitives from Iran, Irak or Kurdistan. There is also nothing stupid about having a religion. Being an atheist doesent make you smart by defenition, if you throw up the word religous in a wordbook i highly doubt it says "stupid person". Its just a life filosofi, and alot of people live very happy lives due to it. Science hasent proven anything, its just theories about how things probably are. Saying that your dumb if your not an atheist is just nonreligous zealotry. You have nothing that backs this claim. Protesting towards people who offended you brings you in the same camp as other people who have been offended aswell? I dont really follow you there, if i say im a christian does that mean that muslims can bash on me becourse of the crusades? Does this mean that im in assosiated with every christian cult that i dont approve of? Also, there hasent happened anything to Denmark as a country from making the drawings. Yes, some random people send threatning letters and there was flagburning. I dont really see how this means that all muslims are stupid or whatever. People are allowed to protest all they want if they are offended and what the arabs did was all fine imo. What did they do that crossed the line? If we make cartoons making fun of their religion they can burn our flag all they want. In case you missed it. It is illegal to draw living beings in islam, and you CAN NOT draw holy beings. This is part of their religion and this is why they got so offended. Actually not only do I have things to back this "claim", you also have many of them as well. For example, the computer you used to write this post, your car, your cellphone, microwave, toaster, HDTV, etc., do I need to go on? | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On September 18 2009 03:55 Avius wrote: You absolutely hit the nail on the head. And as a muslim, I condemn those people (especially other muslims) who would abuse religion, any religion in fact, to achieve any hidden agenda. I will give you that even I don't like the way women are treated in countries like Saudi Arabia and the like. But I can speak for my country: women are not treated badly. In fact, they (like in the western world) are encouraged to go to school and university and look for a job. Just like we have it everywhere around here. They can do whatever they want and wear whatever they want. At least it is like that for the Kurdish part of Iraq. I dare say, though, that we are more liberal than our neighbours. But this is just my point of view, no offense to other people. So they have absolutely the same stance as man? No patriarchism in family life or anywhere else?? Come on, who are you kidding? Even in most western countries and christian religion, women can NOT wear what they want, let alone do what they want... I simply dont believe you if you tell me a woman in kurdish iraq can run around in a mini-skirt and fuck a different guy every month.. Even in western countries like italy or spain women cant do that without being stamped as a whore, while its np for men to do that. I guess only scandinavian countries come close to a point where women can really do what they want, but making a claim like that for an islamic country, coupled with ur use of the word "even" in "Even I don't like the way women are treated in countries like Saudi Arabia and the like." makes me think that you only think you are liberal (which you probably are for being a muslim) when in fact you dont even fully grasp what being liberal and modern towards these things really means (again, most christians or even atheists dont know either). | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On September 17 2009 22:07 Avius wrote: Why draw comics or say something only for the sake of confrontation? There have never been inflammatory comics from Dar al-Islam | ||
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