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On September 17 2009 18:28 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:09 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 17:51 daz wrote:
am i a bad person because i agree with him? no you are not. because he is 100% correct in his examples, his right to protest another protest, and the immigrants are free to choose to accept that everyone has a right to speak their minds or go back to their home country which is so much more "tolerant" of their beliefs (of course this doesnt apply if you are gay, atheist or a woman) What about American Muslims? oh like the american muslims who were supposedly moderate and successful in buffalo ny who started a news station to speak to the masses that islam is not a religion of violence and tried to fight the stereotype. the husband proceeded to behead his wife because she wanted a divorce and put a restraining order on his ass. so much for breaking the stereotype that educated muslims in the west arent backwards like those in their home country. doesnt matter what country you live in, they adhere to their beliefs. of course this doesn't apply if they drop their religion. Oh. My bad. American Muslims generally behead their wives. Got it. Well at least that problem is self resolving, they'll not have children and will have trouble getting married so they'll die out soon. If only we can find a way of stopping them raping our pure white women. 
no need to worry, the xenophobic nature of the people of this country will insure that white women will avoid them like the plague. gotta love christianity no? not to mention our bigoted police force and BAM, no more problems.
actually funny story on the bigoted police, i was at a conference in boston, ma and there was an arab guy talking on his cellphone there. the whole time, he was being tailed by some dumb white cop who kept reporting into his microphone about suspicious behavior and giving the arab dirty looks. in boston no less!!
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On September 17 2009 18:33 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:
What about American Muslims? backwards like those in their home country Lol bigotry. Silly American. Quit being so backwards.
dont you people over the pond hates the jews with a passion? always had antisemitism run wild over there no?
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On September 17 2009 18:37 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:33 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:
What about American Muslims? backwards like those in their home country Lol bigotry. Silly American. Quit being so backwards. dont you people over the pond hates the jews with a passion? always had antisemitism run wild over there no?
We did have a problem with it for a while but some guy cleaned it up at the source about 60 years ago.
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On September 17 2009 17:53 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:32 Physician wrote:Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Mohammed and the Qu'ran can say it publicly but he can't privately? I have yet to see what exactly is "crazy" about this professor. As far as I am concerned he did what teachers do, teach. http://www.faithfreedom.org/ Unless he was satirising freedom of speech to make an ironic point he was just being a bigot. The whole "if you don't like it you can go home" speech is wrong, especially given how a lot of Muslims are born in the Western world and associate culturally with it. Judging a whole religion by the actions of extremists is retarded. On a similar note, judging the practice of a religion in the 21st Century by religious texts is pretty retarded too. All you've proved was that Muhammad was a violent guy, we knew that already, we got that about the time when he unified Arabia by force. You've yet to make the leap to that making Islam today violent or Muslims violent. Extremists are violent. Nationalists are violent. Muslims can be violent or non violent depending on whether they are inclined to be violent. You won't see someone who is a pacifist by inclination but by virtue of their religion decide they have to go out and kill the infidels.
but dont muslims do the same thing to the west, generalizing whole cultures on the actions of one cartoon writer?
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On September 17 2009 18:39 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:37 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:33 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:26 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:21 Kwark wrote:
What about American Muslims? backwards like those in their home country Lol bigotry. Silly American. Quit being so backwards. dont you people over the pond hates the jews with a passion? always had antisemitism run wild over there no? We did have a problem with it for a while but some guy cleaned it up at the source about 60 years ago.
just like how racism doesnt exist over here for black and white relationships. election of obama surely cleared up any arguments that race issues have dissolved into thin air in a span of a couple generations.
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By the way, were you seriously offering the example of one crazy guy who was pissed off his wife left him as evidence against an entire group? Because you are aware that one guy killing his wife when she left him doesn't make all American Muslims culturally the same as Afghan tribesmen. Also if we take a control group of American atheists they do, on occasion, kill their wives when they leave them. I guess the core of my question is, are you a racist because you believe all Muslims behead their wives, an idiot because you believe one incident is a good statistical sample or just wrong?
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On September 17 2009 18:40 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 17:53 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 17:32 Physician wrote:Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Mohammed and the Qu'ran can say it publicly but he can't privately? I have yet to see what exactly is "crazy" about this professor. As far as I am concerned he did what teachers do, teach. http://www.faithfreedom.org/ Unless he was satirising freedom of speech to make an ironic point he was just being a bigot. The whole "if you don't like it you can go home" speech is wrong, especially given how a lot of Muslims are born in the Western world and associate culturally with it. Judging a whole religion by the actions of extremists is retarded. On a similar note, judging the practice of a religion in the 21st Century by religious texts is pretty retarded too. All you've proved was that Muhammad was a violent guy, we knew that already, we got that about the time when he unified Arabia by force. You've yet to make the leap to that making Islam today violent or Muslims violent. Extremists are violent. Nationalists are violent. Muslims can be violent or non violent depending on whether they are inclined to be violent. You won't see someone who is a pacifist by inclination but by virtue of their religion decide they have to go out and kill the infidels. but dont muslims do the same thing to the west, generalizing whole cultures on the actions of one cartoon writer?
And they're retarded. So is Physician for doing it. So are you. Any questions?
It's not an us vs them thing. I'm not picking the side of the Arabs against America. You're both stupid.
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lol, what do you think? most of my interactions with muslims have been my saudi roommates who i liked to smoke hukah with haha.
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the only thing i cant stand is people doing fucked up shit in the name of religion, or because of what their religion is telling them to do
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and when did i start insulting you? is that what you turn to when you cant get a point across? start hurling insults at the other person. should i call you a retard for taking this shit that doesnt affect us at all so dearly to your heart?
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I went to school with a second gen Muslim guy. He's parents were Bangladeshi but he was as English as they come. He was also gay, intellectual and is now studying Engineering at University. It pisses me off when people insist the religion surpasses any cultural identity a person may have. It also pisses me off when people suggest the religion means they have a different home country to the one they culturally associate with. And it pisses me off when people suggest religion may make people act in a way they were otherwise not inclined to do.
Religion is an excuse. Nothing more. My friend doesn't protest retarded shit because it's retarded and being a well educated western individual he knows its retarded. If I told him to go home he'd point out he was born 20 miles from where I was born. If I told him that Islam hates gays he'd tell me that 7th Century Arabia hated gays and that his interpretation of his religion conformed to his British cultural identity.
Religion means fuck all. Bigots will be bigots. Retards will be retards. Racists will be racists. Homophobes will be homophobes. And effigy/flag salesmen will whip up shit about anything they can think of to get sales.
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On September 17 2009 18:46 piratebay wrote:
the only thing i cant stand is people doing fucked up shit in the name of religion, or because of what their religion is telling them to do
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and when did i start insulting you? is that what you turn to when you cant get a point across? start hurling insults at the other person. should i call you a retard for taking this shit that doesnt affect us at all so dearly to your heart?
I didn't insult you. I gave you options. You could admit that your anecdotal evidence was utterly meaningless or you could stand by anecdotal evidence as a judgment against a people and face the consequences, which would be insults. Your call.
Edit: Actually, I did call you retarded once. In my defence, I stand by that. You were going "but don't they do really stupid stuff too" as a defence for your own stupid actions. Usually people grow out of that.
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On September 17 2009 18:32 daz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:11 Kong John wrote:
Im not sure if everyone here really knows the story about the cartoons. Originally they were intended for a childrensbook but noone would make the illustrations for it. After hearing this the newspaper "Jyllandsposten" hired some journalists to make some random drawings of muhammed so that people wouldnt be so silly as to not make illustrations in a childrensbook. You know the rest.
But honestly, this was a student organisation. These people have something in common and they make an organisation so that they can hang out together. These kids only protested becourse other muslims did, and that makes them feel like muslims, thats all there is to it. Alot of people in the middle east have a completely different background than us and dont nessesarily have an education. These people will do as they are told by their religion, there is nothing more to it.
I think that you guys are really stupid in the way you view this. All the attacks that have originated from arabic people come from a pretty small group of people NOT all muslims!
These cartoons attacked EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM in the world! That is the difference.
Telling these kids that what they are doing is stupid becourse some people far away do stupid shit and have their religion in common is the most stupid and racist thing ive ever heard. This kind of anti-religion is really uneducated, im suprised that hes allowed to be a proffesor.
edit: some typos Anything anti-religion is the exact opposite of stupid by definition. oh and please do explain how cartoons can attack people. It's seriously a huge fucking problem that people in western countries have to be afraid of what they say about a backwards, violent, religion in fear of their lives, and a lot of people even support this lunacy. I know these guys are just a student group, but by protesting these cartoons they are intentionally associating themselves with the same attitude of those groups of people who are issuing death threats and actually following up with them. And besides, just because they are a student group doesn't necessarily mean they are all liberal and non-violent, I mean you would expect those muslims who have emigrated to Denmark or France or whatever western country to also be liberal and civilized people, seeing as how they were smart enough to want to leave the countries that are fucked up due to their backward beliefs, but then a cartoon gets published and next thing you know there's riots, death threats and murders. /end rant
You know, most emigrants with arab background who have come to Denmark have either come due to our campaign in the seventies about comeing to Denmark and work. Or they are fugitives. Atleast half the muslims in Denmark are fugitives from Iran, Irak or Kurdistan.
There is also nothing stupid about having a religion. Being an atheist doesent make you smart by defenition, if you throw up the word religous in a wordbook i highly doubt it says "stupid person". Its just a life filosofi, and alot of people live very happy lives due to it. Science hasent proven anything, its just theories about how things probably are. Saying that your dumb if your not an atheist is just nonreligous zealotry. You have nothing that backs this claim.
Protesting towards people who offended you brings you in the same camp as other people who have been offended aswell? I dont really follow you there, if i say im a christian does that mean that muslims can bash on me becourse of the crusades? Does this mean that im in assosiated with every christian cult that i dont approve of?
Also, there hasent happened anything to Denmark as a country from making the drawings. Yes, some random people send threatning letters and there was flagburning. I dont really see how this means that all muslims are stupid or whatever. People are allowed to protest all they want if they are offended and what the arabs did was all fine imo. What did they do that crossed the line? If we make cartoons making fun of their religion they can burn our flag all they want.
In case you missed it. It is illegal to draw living beings in islam, and you CAN NOT draw holy beings. This is part of their religion and this is why they got so offended.
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On September 17 2009 19:08 Kong John wrote:
Also, there hasent happened anything to Denmark as a country from making the drawings. Yes, some random people send threatning letters and there was flagburning. I dont really see how this means that all muslims are stupid or whatever. People are allowed to protest all they want if they are offended and what the arabs did was all fine imo. What did they do that crossed the line?
People died....
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On September 17 2009 18:56 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:46 piratebay wrote:
the only thing i cant stand is people doing fucked up shit in the name of religion, or because of what their religion is telling them to do
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and when did i start insulting you? is that what you turn to when you cant get a point across? start hurling insults at the other person. should i call you a retard for taking this shit that doesnt affect us at all so dearly to your heart? I didn't insult you. I gave you options. You could admit that your anecdotal evidence was utterly meaningless or you could stand by anecdotal evidence as a judgment against a people and face the consequences, which would be insults. Your call.
calling me a backwards american is. before your edit, all your post said was american muslims? i ran with it with no other guidelines set out.
of course that was the weakest sort of evidence given out, anybody could figure that out (maybe except the romanians). but the point of the matter is that besides the remark about the professor saying that they should go back to their countries than assimilate, it was pretty damn accurate.
but the example of your friend having a reasonable response to the idiocy of the extremists, it works and all. however, you cant deny how unreasonable the overall response of people across the globe react to slight criticisms that people are freely entitled to make such as the comic example. and you have the professor say his two cents in a private email and the people exercising their right of free speech are demanding his suspension or reprimand for speaking his mind. it does make no sense
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On September 17 2009 19:08 Kong John wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:32 daz wrote:On September 17 2009 18:11 Kong John wrote:
Im not sure if everyone here really knows the story about the cartoons. Originally they were intended for a childrensbook but noone would make the illustrations for it. After hearing this the newspaper "Jyllandsposten" hired some journalists to make some random drawings of muhammed so that people wouldnt be so silly as to not make illustrations in a childrensbook. You know the rest.
But honestly, this was a student organisation. These people have something in common and they make an organisation so that they can hang out together. These kids only protested becourse other muslims did, and that makes them feel like muslims, thats all there is to it. Alot of people in the middle east have a completely different background than us and dont nessesarily have an education. These people will do as they are told by their religion, there is nothing more to it.
I think that you guys are really stupid in the way you view this. All the attacks that have originated from arabic people come from a pretty small group of people NOT all muslims!
These cartoons attacked EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM in the world! That is the difference.
Telling these kids that what they are doing is stupid becourse some people far away do stupid shit and have their religion in common is the most stupid and racist thing ive ever heard. This kind of anti-religion is really uneducated, im suprised that hes allowed to be a proffesor.
edit: some typos Anything anti-religion is the exact opposite of stupid by definition. oh and please do explain how cartoons can attack people. It's seriously a huge fucking problem that people in western countries have to be afraid of what they say about a backwards, violent, religion in fear of their lives, and a lot of people even support this lunacy. I know these guys are just a student group, but by protesting these cartoons they are intentionally associating themselves with the same attitude of those groups of people who are issuing death threats and actually following up with them. And besides, just because they are a student group doesn't necessarily mean they are all liberal and non-violent, I mean you would expect those muslims who have emigrated to Denmark or France or whatever western country to also be liberal and civilized people, seeing as how they were smart enough to want to leave the countries that are fucked up due to their backward beliefs, but then a cartoon gets published and next thing you know there's riots, death threats and murders. /end rant You know, most emigrants with arab background who have come to Denmark have either come due to our campaign in the seventies about comeing to Denmark and work. Or they are fugitives. Atleast half the muslims in Denmark are fugitives from Iran, Irak or Kurdistan. There is also nothing stupid about having a religion. Being an atheist doesent make you smart by defenition, if you throw up the word religous in a wordbook i highly doubt it says "stupid person". Its just a life filosofi, and alot of people live very happy lives due to it. Science hasent proven anything, its just theories about how things probably are. Saying that your dumb if your not an atheist is just nonreligous zealotry. You have nothing that backs this claim. Protesting towards people who offended you brings you in the same camp as other people who have been offended aswell? I dont really follow you there, if i say im a christian does that mean that muslims can bash on me becourse of the crusades? Does this mean that im in assosiated with every christian cult that i dont approve of? Also, there hasent happened anything to Denmark as a country from making the drawings. Yes, some random people send threatning letters and there was flagburning. I dont really see how this means that all muslims are stupid or whatever. People are allowed to protest all they want if they are offended and what the arabs did was all fine imo. What did they do that crossed the line? If we make cartoons making fun of their religion they can burn our flag all they want. In case you missed it. It is illegal to draw living beings in islam, and you CAN NOT draw holy beings. This is part of their religion and this is why they got so offended.
that doesnt make it any less retarded and does not give them justification for rioting
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On September 17 2009 19:08 Kong John wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:32 daz wrote:On September 17 2009 18:11 Kong John wrote:
Im not sure if everyone here really knows the story about the cartoons. Originally they were intended for a childrensbook but noone would make the illustrations for it. After hearing this the newspaper "Jyllandsposten" hired some journalists to make some random drawings of muhammed so that people wouldnt be so silly as to not make illustrations in a childrensbook. You know the rest.
But honestly, this was a student organisation. These people have something in common and they make an organisation so that they can hang out together. These kids only protested becourse other muslims did, and that makes them feel like muslims, thats all there is to it. Alot of people in the middle east have a completely different background than us and dont nessesarily have an education. These people will do as they are told by their religion, there is nothing more to it.
I think that you guys are really stupid in the way you view this. All the attacks that have originated from arabic people come from a pretty small group of people NOT all muslims!
These cartoons attacked EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM in the world! That is the difference.
Telling these kids that what they are doing is stupid becourse some people far away do stupid shit and have their religion in common is the most stupid and racist thing ive ever heard. This kind of anti-religion is really uneducated, im suprised that hes allowed to be a proffesor.
edit: some typos Anything anti-religion is the exact opposite of stupid by definition. oh and please do explain how cartoons can attack people. It's seriously a huge fucking problem that people in western countries have to be afraid of what they say about a backwards, violent, religion in fear of their lives, and a lot of people even support this lunacy. I know these guys are just a student group, but by protesting these cartoons they are intentionally associating themselves with the same attitude of those groups of people who are issuing death threats and actually following up with them. And besides, just because they are a student group doesn't necessarily mean they are all liberal and non-violent, I mean you would expect those muslims who have emigrated to Denmark or France or whatever western country to also be liberal and civilized people, seeing as how they were smart enough to want to leave the countries that are fucked up due to their backward beliefs, but then a cartoon gets published and next thing you know there's riots, death threats and murders. /end rant You know, most emigrants with arab background who have come to Denmark have either come due to our campaign in the seventies about comeing to Denmark and work. Or they are fugitives. Atleast half the muslims in Denmark are fugitives from Iran, Irak or Kurdistan. There is also nothing stupid about having a religion. Being an atheist doesent make you smart by defenition, if you throw up the word religous in a wordbook i highly doubt it says "stupid person". Its just a life filosofi, and alot of people live very happy lives due to it. Science hasent proven anything, its just theories about how things probably are. Saying that your dumb if your not an atheist is just nonreligous zealotry. You have nothing that backs this claim. Protesting towards people who offended you brings you in the same camp as other people who have been offended aswell? I dont really follow you there, if i say im a christian does that mean that muslims can bash on me becourse of the crusades? Does this mean that im in assosiated with every christian cult that i dont approve of? Also, there hasent happened anything to Denmark as a country from making the drawings. Yes, some random people send threatning letters and there was flagburning. I dont really see how this means that all muslims are stupid or whatever. People are allowed to protest all they want if they are offended and what the arabs did was all fine imo. What did they do that crossed the line? If we make cartoons making fun of their religion they can burn our flag all they want. In case you missed it. It is illegal to draw living beings in islam, and you CAN NOT draw holy beings. This is part of their religion and this is why they got so offended.
werent embasies burned and people attacked over the controversy OF POLITICAL CARTOONS? does that not count as crossing the line over a simple political cartoon? dont see obama burning down locations of opponents due to political cartoons insulting him
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On September 17 2009 19:13 piratebay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 18:56 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:46 piratebay wrote:
the only thing i cant stand is people doing fucked up shit in the name of religion, or because of what their religion is telling them to do
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and when did i start insulting you? is that what you turn to when you cant get a point across? start hurling insults at the other person. should i call you a retard for taking this shit that doesnt affect us at all so dearly to your heart? I didn't insult you. I gave you options. You could admit that your anecdotal evidence was utterly meaningless or you could stand by anecdotal evidence as a judgment against a people and face the consequences, which would be insults. Your call. calling me a backwards american is. before your edit, all your post said was american muslims? i ran with it with no other guidelines set out.
Lol. I was parodying your post. You said American Muslims come from a backwards homeland. I pointed out this meant America was backwards. There's a difference between insult and parody. You called yourself a backwards American, I just pointed it out.
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On September 17 2009 19:21 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2009 19:13 piratebay wrote:On September 17 2009 18:56 Kwark wrote:On September 17 2009 18:46 piratebay wrote:
the only thing i cant stand is people doing fucked up shit in the name of religion, or because of what their religion is telling them to do
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and when did i start insulting you? is that what you turn to when you cant get a point across? start hurling insults at the other person. should i call you a retard for taking this shit that doesnt affect us at all so dearly to your heart? I didn't insult you. I gave you options. You could admit that your anecdotal evidence was utterly meaningless or you could stand by anecdotal evidence as a judgment against a people and face the consequences, which would be insults. Your call. calling me a backwards american is. before your edit, all your post said was american muslims? i ran with it with no other guidelines set out. Lol. I was parodying your post. You said American Muslims come from a backwards homeland. I pointed out this meant America was backwards. There's a difference between insult and parody. You called yourself a backwards American, I just pointed it out.
cant expect much else from the country probably the most responsible for all the shit in the middle east by imperializing the area for their own good. i wont say the US isnt innocent but our dabbling in the region came much after europe got through antagonizing them with the west.
lol taking my sentence out of context to imply an insult. the professor had every right to say what he did, he is correct in saying they could get used to free speech or go back, up to them. freedom of speech, he can say nething he wants. cant expect much though from someone who can only fling insults whether they be stated outright or not.
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Oh yeah.
Let's have a:
"Your country fucked up technologically behind cultures/countries before mine did" contest!
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On September 17 2009 19:41 Velr wrote:
Oh yeah.
Let's have a:
"Your country fucked up technologically behind cultures/countries before mine did" contest!
well if you can take one part of one sentence in an entire series of posts to insult someone, anything goes right?
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