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Belannaer
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland42 Posts
October 28 2011 17:32 GMT
#141
I don't want to spam the thread with tons of large pictures but I'm doing a blog about my armies, not much in it yet as I'm still painting and working on a lot of them. Here's link to it: http://xenocafe.blogspot.com/view/magazine

An example of what I'm doing in there:
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#142
I'm just getting a batch of tau today, including a missle gunship + battlesuit. Not looking for a army to fight with particularlly, instead just wanna paint to the best of my (limited) ability. Gonna post each unit when I finish them, and would apprieciate any advice as I go along :D
(I hope this is a valid bump, this thread is awesome)
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SnowyPsilocybin
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom265 Posts
May 02 2012 11:09 GMT
#143
Out of of curiosity, does warhammer have game imbalances like an rts can have?
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
May 02 2012 11:13 GMT
#144
yes, quite frequently. this is generally handled in competitive play by what's known as soft scores, a portion of your tournament results is linked to how strong your army is (both overall and the particularly units/items you chose), in some cases certain combinations are banned (no multiple steam tanks for example), and also a 'sportsmanship' score that your opponent uses to judge your general attitude, honesty and so on. If you take an abusive list that focuses only on maximizing power over giving you the opportunity to outplay the other guy, you're probably going to get hit badly in both those and consequently lose any chance of winning the tournament.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
May 02 2012 12:39 GMT
#145
On May 02 2012 20:13 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
yes, quite frequently. this is generally handled in competitive play by what's known as soft scores, a portion of your tournament results is linked to how strong your army is (both overall and the particularly units/items you chose), in some cases certain combinations are banned (no multiple steam tanks for example), and also a 'sportsmanship' score that your opponent uses to judge your general attitude, honesty and so on. If you take an abusive list that focuses only on maximizing power over giving you the opportunity to outplay the other guy, you're probably going to get hit badly in both those and consequently lose any chance of winning the tournament.

They take sportsmanship into account when determining the winners of warhammer tournies?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#146
^^
Yeah, agreed, that seems like the best way to handle it.

I've just got all my stuff, apart from the book, and have just started assembling my fire warriors. Will hopefully get them done and maybe start painting them tomorrow. Not sure whether to start the other 2 pieces yet or not.
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IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
May 02 2012 23:26 GMT
#147
I've recently started on the independent tournament scene in the UK, and I've seen the way they "balance" the imbalances. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan, but there are tournaments that range from "out of the book", all the way to what becomes almost a completely different rules system with merely a basing on the original rules. (ETCHammer, for those who know what I'm talking about ).

As a game though it's fantastic. I suck at painting and modelling, but REALLY enjoy the game. It's tactical all the way from writing a list that can take on anything (tournament lists) into the game where it can come down to millimetres. It's a great game.

I've started the new Vamps since they came out shortly before a new campaign our club were running. Lots of fun if you avoid running a Knight Bus
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
May 03 2012 17:41 GMT
#148
Assembled them all and have spray painted them all black :D Gonna start painting proper tonight, should I just give it another undercoat of a colour that will feature a lot on the models. Also, should I paint differently for metal bits? I noticed the black didnt work as well for them.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 18:10:10
May 03 2012 18:08 GMT
#149
You guys from the UK are soooooooooo lucky TT...There are no such things as actual GW shops in Portugal (at least not in a lot of years or that I've seen them) and nobody knows what WH or WH40k are. The only way for me to buy anything (if I was to get into WH again) would be ordering from amazon.

I went to the UK for the first time last summer, spent a few days in London (beautiful place to visit btw)....OMG when I entered one of GWs stores there were people in there painting, talking about minis and their armies...from kids, to teens, to grown men. It was absolutely amazing even my GF was amazed looking at the minis and the big set showing a fully assembled and painted DAs army in "battle" with those nasty orks.

The only sad thing about that is that I left the store empty handed lol....I got revenge the next day at foyles ^^
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Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
May 04 2012 12:53 GMT
#150
I love warhammer, I was a fairly competent competitive player a few years back (low podium finishes in big tournaments, quite a few 'best army' and 'best sportsman' awards). Unfortunately I live in australia which means we pay close to double the already stupid prices the rest of the world gets thanks to GW's insane pricing schemes. As an example, the recently released paint set containing their new range of paints costs a low, low 900 USD. Yes, that's right. that's roughly the cost of 15 full cost video games.

A single human sized character on foot generally costs something like $30 USD.

Even buying stuff in from overseas at a discount I can't really afford to play any more, luckily I have a stock of models to paint, unluckily that makes it very hard to make an up to date competitive tourney army so I've dropped off the scene.

I've recently started on the independent tournament scene in the UK, and I've seen the way they "balance" the imbalances. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan, but there are tournaments that range from "out of the book", all the way to what becomes almost a completely different rules system with merely a basing on the original rules. (ETCHammer, for those who know what I'm talking about ).


You have to realise the intense difficulty of balancing the game for competition when GW has absolutely no interest in making the game balanced, and have outright said this regularly. If you're new to comp you probably wonder why all the tweaks and adjustments are necessary, but you've never gone to a tournament where someone (absolutely legitimately) comes with a list that abuses wordings and holes in the rules and dominates the tournament with incredibly un-fun and generally unintuitive play (for example, it's possible to move a character on foot like 30" in a turn by reforming a unit into a long line and then moving them into it.). It is the equivalent of people realising you could just reaper rush zerg for a more or less guaranteed win in the sc2 beta and rightly abusing it for all it was worth, only warhammer can't just be patched. When you go to open tournaments you get things like that, not all the time, but enough that comp systems are viewed as preferable.
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IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
May 05 2012 00:11 GMT
#151
On May 04 2012 21:53 Thereisnosaurus wrote:

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I've recently started on the independent tournament scene in the UK, and I've seen the way they "balance" the imbalances. I'm not necessarily the biggest fan, but there are tournaments that range from "out of the book", all the way to what becomes almost a completely different rules system with merely a basing on the original rules. (ETCHammer, for those who know what I'm talking about ).


You have to realise the intense difficulty of balancing the game for competition when GW has absolutely no interest in making the game balanced, and have outright said this regularly. If you're new to comp you probably wonder why all the tweaks and adjustments are necessary, but you've never gone to a tournament where someone (absolutely legitimately) comes with a list that abuses wordings and holes in the rules and dominates the tournament with incredibly un-fun and generally unintuitive play (for example, it's possible to move a character on foot like 30" in a turn by reforming a unit into a long line and then moving them into it.). It is the equivalent of people realising you could just reaper rush zerg for a more or less guaranteed win in the sc2 beta and rightly abusing it for all it was worth, only warhammer can't just be patched. When you go to open tournaments you get things like that, not all the time, but enough that comp systems are viewed as preferable.


Oh no I know how awful Games Workshop are at rules, and I understand the need for comp. The problem is HOW much comp is needed, and exactly what it does for the game. The ETC comp has too many general restrictions. It brings down the upper tier armies, but the problem is the amount of blanket restrictions brings down the other armies as well so the power armies end up almost as powerful in comparison.

Comp is needed for tournaments. But the comp should be the tweaks to the BRB that are needed (since GW can't write for shit), and some more specific comp, as opposed to the lavish amount of general comp. I still play in the tournaments (I'll be playing Stormydd Tan later this month using Draft 3 of the ETC Comp.) because tournament Warhammer is amazing, but I'm on the side of the "light comp" fence. I know there are people (more so in mainland Europe, Denmark etc) that prefer the heavier side of comp, and there's a place in the world for all of them. I attend everything from no comp to full comp and all have their merits.
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lubu42
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States314 Posts
May 06 2012 08:09 GMT
#152
I used to play WH40k for 3 years and I would love to get back into it. I enjoyed it so much and if I wanted to start playing again I would like to play Fantasy instead. The only draw back is I personally know how damn expensive it is :/ plus I just started getting back into Magic the Gathering too. I just need buckets of money to make me happy T.T
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 06 2012 08:28 GMT
#153
Oooo! A Warhammer topic on TeamLiquid Took a few pics a while ago of my army for someone on another forum, guess I can dump em here also. Here is an album: Not the best quality pics but whatever. http://imgur.com/a/SvA95#12
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Humposaurus
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands86 Posts
May 06 2012 08:42 GMT
#154
Aren't most of ya not a bit to old to play with dolls?

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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 04:24:13
May 07 2012 04:23 GMT
#155
On September 10 2011 22:43 Inquisitor wrote:
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Sweet a Warhammer thread! :D I havent played a game of 40k in many many many years (since gr.9 i think?) but i love collecting and painting the models :D

Currently i have 4 40k armies going a Dark Elder Kabal, trying to get the entire Dark Angels 5th Company with Support Vehicles and a few other models (deathwing and Ravenwing), a small Daemon Hunters Force and a Mechanized Tank Company

A few of my models from said armies.

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DH;
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SM;
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1/15 Scale FW Space Marine (WiP)
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Awesome to see there are other people who were into WH/WH40K! I was reallly into it in middle school and early high school and loved the painting aspect. I was a pretty big contributor on the WH40K forums and coolminiornot.com LOL XD. Really like your DH stuff Inquisitor. I have some Grey Knight/ DH stuff myself :D I'll have to post some pics once I can get my hands on a good camera. I've really stopped with all the miniature stuff but it's always in my mind to get back into painting, just like 1 or 2 models at a time, nothing too intensive.

Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
August 26 2012 23:19 GMT
#156
Something that may be interesting for those of you wondering about warhammer's comp scene, A lady did some coverage of this years ETC (essentially the wargaming olympics- nation based teams from all over the world). The production values aren't super high but it gives you a feel for the scale of the thing and there are a bunch of interviews with various competitors.



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plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 10:45:39
August 27 2012 10:44 GMT
#157
Hey, thanks for bumping this. After another break, I'm back to my Vampire Counts army. I'm working towards a 20 skeleton, 20 ghoul, 10 black knigtht plus a master necromancer general and mounted vampire currently, for a total of 1000 points total. Unlike the last time, I've gotten more into it this time, with the skeleton regiment about done, and the ghoul coloring planned out already.

I'm thinking I'll do a few 1000-point games, and possibly some doubles, then built my way towards 2000. I've got a handful of pals already playing, and although I imagine they'll trash me with their 20 years of experience, I'm sure it'll be fun.

In a self-torturing, masochistic sort of way, at least.

I'd like to show pics of the painted skeletons, but my mobile camera seems unable to focus on stuff close to the lens. Anyone got any experience with mobile cameras, and got some ideas on how to trick it into focusing properly?
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17792 Posts
August 27 2012 12:41 GMT
#158
T_T Does anyone else feel like WH40K 6th edition is a step back? They added so much randomness into the game
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Ethenielle
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Norway1006 Posts
August 27 2012 14:50 GMT
#159
After 10 years of on-and-off warhammer I played my first 1500pt games... Lizardmen(me) vs Tomb Kings(my buddy). I annihilated him so hard it wasn't really fun for either of us. Although the 50 dice coming out from his shooting and the 80 dice from his chariot charge was intimidating, it didn't do jack shit. Skinks completely shat on his necrosphinx or whatever it's called with poison, and there was just no way he could beat T8 regrowthing saurus in combat..

I don't know. It wasn't as fun as I had hoped. Maybe Tomb Kings are one of the "awful" armies I hear about, considering GW doesn't give half a shit about balancing their game because it's "all about fun"(fuck you Jervis Johnson, I know you're reading my post). Or maybe he just had bad luck and we messed up every rule possible ever.

Meh.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17792 Posts
August 27 2012 19:41 GMT
#160
Imbalances were always a big part of Warhammer and people were exploiting them since forever (Black Gem of Gnar champion challenging your uber kitted lord anyone? Do you remember the misery?). You definitely should try to play at least one more game (perhaps there was bad luck in dice rolling on your buddy's part) and see how it goes.
If it'll be the same again, tell your friend to switch to Wood Elves, who are the hardest army to play but are also extremely rewarding even if you fail with them since you need to know all the rules inside out to be able to use even the most basic army of theirs. When you start winning with basic Wood Elf armies, it's time to switch to the hated by all enemies Sethayla style army and annoy the living shit out of your opponent who can't touch you (you can google for Sethayla or read on it on asrai.org).

Fun times.
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