EPTStill, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu.
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GoodWill
Canada149 Posts
Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu. | ||
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Zona
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XYoonZ
United States282 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:02 GoodWill wrote: Justin "discovered" his Balrog only after he's 0-1 into the GRAND FINAL, imagine if he had done that a week before evo, or a day before tonight, or a game before semifinal, it could have turned out completely different. Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu. I really doubt that. I think Stanford picking Cammy and Justin picking Balrog were obviously decisions they had decided on weeks before when they were practicing for this. They were sniping characters for the Japanese Ryu players. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
I loved how in the final games Daigo went crazy aggressive, but Justin found opportunities to headbutt -> ultra. Words can't describe how intense this whole match was. I have to be there next year in Vegas to see this live. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:06 broz0rs wrote: what I thought was the key to series was Daigo's patented low mk+fb pressure meeting it's match against the best sweep in the game: Boxer's low rh. Justin did an outstanding job stuffing those mk's. There was a point where he tripped Daigo three consecutive times for free. Yes, I definitely noticed that, despite not really following SF4. And also, once Justin was using Balrog, 80% of Daigo's jump-ins were hit until Daigo was mostly jumping in only after knocking Balrog down. It seemed like some of Daigo's bread and butter was shut down in that matchup. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that. I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo. Wait til you watch japanese tournament. That is nothing in comparison. The audience loves it since it adds a lot of personality to a name. Daigo is known to be quite emotionless. | ||
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GoodWill
Canada149 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that. I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo. For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages. Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration. | ||
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GoodWill
Canada149 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:04 Zona wrote: Um, Justin's played Balrog in tournaments before - he qualified for SBO with Balrog. Yes, but he clearly didn't prepare Balrog to counter Ryu, he chose Abel. If he hadn't take that 2nd game in the first set with Balrog, he would have most likely switched to Rufus or Sagat. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:18 GoodWill wrote: For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages. Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration. Agree. As S-Kill claimed. The Japanese players really love the atmosphere of American fighting game tournaments. Daigo himself said it freaked him out at first, but he was starting to really love the scene. And they should, because the way Evo is done and the way it puts the finalists "in the show" is fucking amazing. I can't believe Daigo kept his composure in that atmosphere. Everyone there knows that Daigo is the best in the world, its not like hes being disrespected... | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play. | ||
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SkY)CosMoS
Dominican Republic106 Posts
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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GoodWill
Canada149 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups. Dan vs Sanford. On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups. Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play. Yeah, don't sign up for EVO if you are gonna counter pick against some Japanese. Before, it was an American tournament with American rule sets taking place in America. Now some Japanese players crossed the pond it has become a Japanese tournament with the superior Japanese rule sets taking place in America. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups. Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play. Whose fault is it? In this event you are able to change character. Comments like "Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic," shows how little you know about SF4. Daigo destroys japanese Boxer players. Picking Cammy against a good ryu is a big risk. The trades in hits always favor Ryu. A win is a win, so stop making excuses. Have you ever attended any of the Evolution tournaments? If yes then you would had already known Japanese do switch characters at Evolution. Daigo lost first round in Super Street Fighter Turbo using Guilie then he switched to Ryu. | ||
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
I've been to several actually. None in the last 2 years though. I was a presenter in 2005. So yeah, spare me. The match up doesn't matter in Cammy v Ryu because there are zero Cammy's here. Stanford going that route; knowing the Japanese scene firsthand, was cowardly. It shows he was scared to fight with his game so he picked a character there was no way the Japanese could know. Boxer vs Daigo wasn't so much a disrespect as Stanford's Cammy vs Dan. He knew Japanese had plenty of exp vs Akuma so he pussied out and picked a character that isn't available here. Comparing that situation to any ST example doesn't even begin to work. It might if there was some secret character in ST that was only available in Japan and the US had no exp against it. Goodwill: I don't know the format this year... but usually Evo is a step to SBO qualitication. If so, counter picking is a moronic tactic on the part of Americans. It means we don't see the player who adapts with their skillset, but rather we send someone who wins on the select screen. If the road leads to SBO then you should adapt to the rules of that situation. Either way, the SBO results always speak volumes about the flawed mindset of the Americans. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4653 Posts
Again, I have to ask how good are you at Street Fighter? Japanese tournament are 1 game series. 1 game, you're out. Anything can happen! A lot more randomness in Japanese tournament. I seen a lot of japanese tournament where it is a complete lopsided match, see CvS 2 japanese national finals. Tiers strength becomes more apparent as someone plays more game. | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups. Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play. Justin Wong is playing Boxer in SBO. | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade. Thus, in your example, it would be if someone picked the Xel'Naga to counter pick in SC. I don't care so much about Wong vs Daigo... Wong always does this and always loses to bums in SBO for it. But Stanford preaches manner in the FG community and does something like sniper Japanese with console-only characters? That's just a low class move. Also, I am very learned in how FGs play out. And yes, I do agree the American tournament system is better (albeit longer). However, the point here is the road leads to SBO. I know Wong is going. What's he going to do there when he has to commit to a character? A large component of his game has always been counter picking and this is why he tanks in SBOs. | ||
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