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GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
July 20 2009 06:02 GMT
#461
Justin "discovered" his Balrog only after he's 0-1 into the GRAND FINAL, imagine if he had done that a week before evo, or a day before tonight, or a game before semifinal, it could have turned out completely different.

Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 20 2009 06:04 GMT
#462
Um, Justin's played Balrog in tournaments before - he qualified for SBO with Balrog.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
XYoonZ
Profile Joined January 2009
United States282 Posts
July 20 2009 06:05 GMT
#463
On July 20 2009 15:02 GoodWill wrote:
Justin "discovered" his Balrog only after he's 0-1 into the GRAND FINAL, imagine if he had done that a week before evo, or a day before tonight, or a game before semifinal, it could have turned out completely different.

Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu.


I really doubt that. I think Stanford picking Cammy and Justin picking Balrog were obviously decisions they had decided on weeks before when they were practicing for this. They were sniping characters for the Japanese Ryu players.
Soft spot for Zerg....
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
July 20 2009 06:06 GMT
#464
what I thought was the key to series was Daigo's patented low mk+fb pressure meeting it's match against the best sweep in the game: Boxer's low rh. Justin did an outstanding job stuffing those mk's. There was a point where he tripped Daigo three consecutive times for free.

I loved how in the final games Daigo went crazy aggressive, but Justin found opportunities to headbutt -> ultra. Words can't describe how intense this whole match was. I have to be there next year in Vegas to see this live.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 06:09:42
July 20 2009 06:09 GMT
#465
On July 20 2009 15:06 broz0rs wrote:
what I thought was the key to series was Daigo's patented low mk+fb pressure meeting it's match against the best sweep in the game: Boxer's low rh. Justin did an outstanding job stuffing those mk's. There was a point where he tripped Daigo three consecutive times for free.

Yes, I definitely noticed that, despite not really following SF4. And also, once Justin was using Balrog, 80% of Daigo's jump-ins were hit until Daigo was mostly jumping in only after knocking Balrog down. It seemed like some of Daigo's bread and butter was shut down in that matchup.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
July 20 2009 06:14 GMT
#466
Watch as Japanese balrog xcopy Justin Wong's tactics.
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 06:21:12
July 20 2009 06:16 GMT
#467
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote:
Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.

I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.


Wait til you watch japanese tournament. That is nothing in comparison.

The audience loves it since it adds a lot of personality to a name. Daigo is known to be quite emotionless.
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GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
July 20 2009 06:18 GMT
#468
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote:
Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.

I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.


For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages.

Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration.
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
July 20 2009 06:21 GMT
#469
On July 20 2009 15:04 Zona wrote:
Um, Justin's played Balrog in tournaments before - he qualified for SBO with Balrog.


Yes, but he clearly didn't prepare Balrog to counter Ryu, he chose Abel. If he hadn't take that 2nd game in the first set with Balrog, he would have most likely switched to Rufus or Sagat.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 06:35:55
July 20 2009 06:34 GMT
#470
On July 20 2009 15:18 GoodWill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote:
Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.

I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.


For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages.

Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration.


Agree.

As S-Kill claimed. The Japanese players really love the atmosphere of American fighting game tournaments. Daigo himself said it freaked him out at first, but he was starting to really love the scene.

And they should, because the way Evo is done and the way it puts the finalists "in the show" is fucking amazing.

I can't believe Daigo kept his composure in that atmosphere. Everyone there knows that Daigo is the best in the world, its not like hes being disrespected...
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 07:08:30
July 20 2009 06:45 GMT
#471
I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.

Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.
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SkY)CosMoS
Profile Joined July 2006
Dominican Republic106 Posts
July 20 2009 06:48 GMT
#472
Epic epic finals regardless of shenanigans. I loved it!
Do it beautifully
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
July 20 2009 06:52 GMT
#473
BlazBlue is a great game but the guy who dominated was a complete douchebag IMO -- his interview made me cringe,
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
July 20 2009 06:54 GMT
#474
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.


Dan vs Sanford.

On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:
I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.

Picking
Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.


Yeah, don't sign up for EVO if you are gonna counter pick against some Japanese. Before, it was an American tournament with American rule sets taking place in America. Now some Japanese players crossed the pond it has become a Japanese tournament with the superior Japanese rule sets taking place in America.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 07:16:17
July 20 2009 07:02 GMT
#475
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:
I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.

Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.


Whose fault is it? In this event you are able to change character. Comments like "Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic," shows how little you know about SF4. Daigo destroys japanese Boxer players. Picking Cammy against a good ryu is a big risk. The trades in hits always favor Ryu. A win is a win, so stop making excuses. Have you ever attended any of the Evolution tournaments? If yes then you would had already known Japanese do switch characters at Evolution. Daigo lost first round in Super Street Fighter Turbo using Guilie then he switched to Ryu.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
July 20 2009 07:09 GMT
#476
I really hate when people talk about tier lists -- it's like the "pro" way being a bad sport.
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
July 20 2009 07:15 GMT
#477
Ken:
I've been to several actually. None in the last 2 years though. I was a presenter in 2005. So yeah, spare me.

The match up doesn't matter in Cammy v Ryu because there are zero Cammy's here. Stanford going that route; knowing the Japanese scene firsthand, was cowardly. It shows he was scared to fight with his game so he picked a character there was no way the Japanese could know. Boxer vs Daigo wasn't so much a disrespect as Stanford's Cammy vs Dan. He knew Japanese had plenty of exp vs Akuma so he pussied out and picked a character that isn't available here.

Comparing that situation to any ST example doesn't even begin to work. It might if there was some secret character in ST that was only available in Japan and the US had no exp against it.

Goodwill:
I don't know the format this year... but usually Evo is a step to SBO qualitication. If so, counter picking is a moronic tactic on the part of Americans. It means we don't see the player who adapts with their skillset, but rather we send someone who wins on the select screen. If the road leads to SBO then you should adapt to the rules of that situation. Either way, the SBO results always speak volumes about the flawed mindset of the Americans.
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[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 07:28:36
July 20 2009 07:19 GMT
#478
God forbid Korean coaches selecting a protoss to counter pick their opponent's terran ace in ace match. "Either beat them with your game or don't play. " Heh, using your logic.

Again, I have to ask how good are you at Street Fighter? Japanese tournament are 1 game series. 1 game, you're out. Anything can happen! A lot more randomness in Japanese tournament. I seen a lot of japanese tournament where it is a complete lopsided match, see CvS 2 japanese national finals. Tiers strength becomes more apparent as someone plays more game.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 20 2009 07:27 GMT
#479
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:
I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.

Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.

Justin Wong is playing Boxer in SBO.
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-20 07:31:03
July 20 2009 07:28 GMT
#480
Ken:
I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade.

Thus, in your example, it would be if someone picked the Xel'Naga to counter pick in SC.

I don't care so much about Wong vs Daigo... Wong always does this and always loses to bums in SBO for it. But Stanford preaches manner in the FG community and does something like sniper Japanese with console-only characters? That's just a low class move.

Also, I am very learned in how FGs play out. And yes, I do agree the American tournament system is better (albeit longer). However, the point here is the road leads to SBO. I know Wong is going. What's he going to do there when he has to commit to a character? A large component of his game has always been counter picking and this is why he tanks in SBOs.
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