For those of you who don't know what EVO is, it is a huge yearly fighting game tournament held in Las Vegas. People from all over the world fly over to play in this. Kinda like the OSL of fighting games, except its done in a period of 3 days packed with a lot of hype, drama, action, trash talk, money matching, East Coast vs West Coast, and the Japanese players who ROFLRAPE everyone else every time (which some people say won't happen this year, but we'll see).
This will be the first EVO in history that is being streamed live over the internet. Dates are July 17-19 and the stream will be on all day through the tournament.
On July 17th, the world’s largest and longest-running fighting game competition returns to Sin City at the Rio Resort and Casino. The heart, history, and unbelievable skills of the fighting game community will be on display as the planet’s top fighting gamers assemble from around the globe to duke it out on today’s hottest games, including Street Fighter IV, Soul Calibur IV, Marvel Vs Capcom 2, Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, and a special BlazBlue exhibition.
EVO 2009 World Finals will feature:
* Special appearance by Street Fighter IV producer Yoshinori Ono * The world’s largest live Street Fighter IV competition * Tekken 6 playable on console * Watch all the action streaming live, for free, featuring top players and expert commentary * The best players from around the US and the world, including Japan’s legendary champion Daigo Umehara * The newest build of Tatsunoko Vs Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars * First publicly playable Marvel Vs Capcom 2 for X360 and PSN * Complete coverage from IGN Insider, recording HQ, direct-feed tournament matches available for download following the event * And more!
Spectators can attend the event for free, and are welcome to play at one of the dozens of freeplay stations. For those who can’t make it to Vegas, EVO 2009 will also be streaming live all weekend. The live stream will run all day from July 17-19th, and feature non-stop tournament matches between top players, with live crowd audio accompanied by expert commentary to explain all the onscreen action.
There are 1,040 entrants for Street Fighter 4 alone, which means 1st place will get a little over 7k in prize money O_O
This post is to announce the first exhibition event at Evo 2009, a regional Street Fighter IV 5 on 5 tournament!
Rules Each team is made up of 5 members Each team can only have one of each character. No 5 Bisons on a team. Players must stick with their character throughout the exhibition Players must live in the region they represent. Devote all questions to Mr. Wizard or inkblot. Single elimination tournament Matches are done elimination style. So team member 1 on each team plays, winner stays. When one team is out of members, they lose.
Each region is appointed a team captain that will pick the team. Captains must report their teams to inkblot or MrWizard by the end of the first day of Evo. The regions and their captains are!
1) North CA: John Choi 2) South CA: Alex Valle 3) East Coast: Justin Wong 4) South East: Jason Wilson 5) Northwest: Jason Cole 6) Midwest: Ari Weintraub 7) Southwest: Scott "SaBrE" Bender (AZ, NM, CO, NV, TX) 8) SRK Wildcard: SRK
The SRK Wildcard team will be made up of players not chosen for any of the other teams.
Team Rosters:
Midwest Floe Sagat Antwan Ortiz Balrog Perfect Sin Dhalsim AKA Akuma JoshTheFunkDoc Seth
Northwest (tentative) Cole Balrog Scrubydan Sagat Deezo Chun Future Honda LTB Ken
Bay Area Choi Ryu Ricky Rufus Crackfiend Balrog Magus1234 Viper LPN Bison
Yes, it's true. The two greatest Marvel vs Capcom 1 players of our generation will be in the same room. How could there not be a showdown?!
Arturo aka Sabin spearheaded the EC claiming MvC1 as their game with his deadly squadron of Eddie Lee, Josh Wigfall and Justin Wong. The EC broke this game. They smashed it into a million pieces. Look up "broken" in the dictionary and there's Art and his gang holding a MvC1 board.
But wait, there is a challenger! The young upstart Magneto Maniac, bred from kaillera and ggpo. When GGPO emerged, it was Magman claiming that online play had surpassed that of arcade. That what the EC gang did was just prehistoric compared to what him and the newcomers were doing.
Now, really, could an online youngster be that good?
So Magman beat Justin, but could he beat Art?
In Vegas we'll find out!
Arturo "Sabin" Sanchez vs Magneto Maniac ft7!!
EVO has over 1 thousand entries for SFIV so schedules are tentative, but I'm hoping to do this Saturday night. I'll have MvC1 on freeplay for casuals about an hour before the event, and then Art and Magman will battle it out.
This will be on my supergun setup that can be seen here:
Winner gets bragging rights and the Gold War Machine Trophy!
This is what EVO's all about. The best vs the best.
Start time will be Saturday @ 1pm. This may change if it interferes with HDR's start time. But for now it will be 1pm.
ules for the tourney.
$30 entry for the team. Payout: 2nd place team gets their money back and the rest goes to the winner. Cap of 32 teams. 3 man teams only. No ironmaning it or 2 man teams. Must register with me before start of tourney on Saturday. Double Elimination one game. Normal team tourney rules. A beats A then A plays B. You must declare your character when you enter the tourney. No character switching will be allowed. *UPDATE*Team order will be determined before either team sits down to the cabinet. No duplicate characters. I don't want to see O.Sagat x3 or Rog x3 *UPDATE*However I will allow same characters as long as one is old and one is new. So you can do an o.Rog and n.Rog on the same team. Akuma is banned! *05-22-2009****UPDATE* We will be allowing 1 and 2 man teams. However your team will play with that handicap. You will be required to pay the full entry of $30. If you are a one man team and you lose one game that is it for you. Same for two man teams. If I reach my cap of 32 teams I will eliminate any team with under 3 players for any full team that would like to play.
----Teams Confirmed-----
17 teams confirmed for EVO 3v3 ST Keep'em coming
1) --Team AZ-- CigarBoB Giga-MSX aka Joe Zazza Sabre
Many many years ago, Tomo Ohira ruled Southern California as the top street fighter player in the nation. He won over 100 tournaments from SF2 World Warrior to Hyper Fighting. Tomo was featured in videos and magazines the nation over.
Tomo would soon discover the intriguing world of girls, cars and deejaying. Therefore Tomo vanished from the Street Fighter Community. When this happened, it was Tomo's young friend and rival who was ready to begin his era of Street Fighter dominance. This young teen was Mike Watson.
Since then, Mike has carved his legacy in the Street Fighter world. Mike has won National Titles, been featured in Game Pro, Tips n Tricks, and the Versus Alpha Guides. Mike was a member of Team USA that travelled to Japan in the documentary Bang The Machine.
Alex "Calipower" Valle even credits Watson, saying it was Watson who who was influential in "breeding" his skills.
Mike has never stopped dominating. And after all these years, after all the accolades and awards, Mike still looks fondly back to his time with Tomo. The time when they battled it out in masterful Hyper Fighting Ryu mirror matches.
Daigo Umehara aka The Beast. As Kuni says, "God in form." Daigo is arguably the most famous Street Fighter player in the world. He first came to the American eye when he won the National Alpha 3 Tournament in Japan, and later cementing his legacy by defeating Alex Valle to claim the title of A3 World Champion. He is only one of two people on the planet to have won two different games at EVO in the same year (the other being John Choi).
Daigo is consistently in the Japanese SF scene. He flew from Japan to the National Gamestop SFIV Exhibition and defeated Justin Wong, Poongko and Iyo. He is an expert in Alpha 3, CvS 2, Third Strike, SFIV and everyone's favorite Old Man's Game: Super Turbo.
Daigo's Ryu in ST is godlike. In his hands, Ryu is precise and possesses the divine Ume-shoryu. All his peers recognize his skills. Daigo is truly "God in form."
Now, the question is: through all the Capcom games, which incarnation of Ryu is the strongest? It boils down to 2: Hyper Fighting Ryu or Super Turbo Ryu?
At EVO, we'll get our answer!!
In a First to 7 set, Watson will play Hyper Fighting Ryu and Daigo will play ST Ryu in a no-holds-barred Ryu master battle. This will be on Anniversary Edition. The winner gets bragging rights and the Golden Ryu Trophy.
Since schedules are all tentative with the enormous SFIV Turney, the plan is to do this Friday night. Keep your eyes peeled in the BYOC area, and prepare yourself. This is going to be a master class in Shoto.
like about 20 people from Utah are going to this :D !!! we got some really good players I hope couple of us can make it out of pool and shit...
interesting fact.. I played a money match vs a friend here in utah.. (well more like a bet match) loser dresses as cammy in their first evo match... and he lost so thats gonna be interesting to see and record hahaha.. here is proof of that..
Is anyone from tl.net going to evo? like Broomzerg or something? if you are and wanna meet up to have some drinks and hit up some places etc.. pm me wit ur cell # or something
EVO 2009 GET HYYYPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! utah hwaiting!
i'll try to update you guys as often as possible , my flight leaves tonight and i should be on the floor 9am tomorrow, i heard theres no wifi in rio, so i dont know how often i'll be able to post, but there will be the occasional 1line phone post to update, i'll try to cover things that likely won't be on the stream, like the insane money matches and non-tourney related stuff or side tourneys
Dj Wheat and crew are doing a special pre-EVO show:
Hey everyone, we are having a special EVO edition of Live On Three tonight with myself, djWHEAT and SirScoots with lots of special guests. On tonight's LIVE show we will have:
- Justin Wong - talking about his 3 week trip to Japan, the practice he got there, things he learned, the 5v5 EC vs WC tournament and how he picked the players, a possible finals matchup against Daigo, and the expectations of him this EVO, possibly more-so than ever before
- Gootecks - talking about the practice he's been having on the west coast, expectations from the WC side of the 5v5 tourney, will he be able to step it up and avenge his loss at Devastation
- Ryan Hart - flying over from Europe and bringing what may be the best Sagat at the event, how he will cope with playing against the Americans, general thoughts of the event
- Ian Cofino - talking about the extended I Got Next footage he will be capturing at EVO, his thoughts concerning the storylines of Justin, Gootecks, and Joe in the movie, and all of his thoughts concerning this year
- Glenn of GetYourTournament - talking about the groups and brackets, who will go through, who won't, what upsets we might see, who we're going to see in the final bracket, top 8 placements, finals predictions, winner predictions, and much much more!
Hey everyone, we are having a special EVO edition of Live On Three tonight with myself, djWHEAT and SirScoots with lots of special guests. On tonight's LIVE show we will have:
- Justin Wong - talking about his 3 week trip to Japan, the practice he got there, things he learned, the 5v5 EC vs WC tournament and how he picked the players, a possible finals matchup against Daigo, and the expectations of him this EVO, possibly more-so than ever before
- Gootecks - talking about the practice he's been having on the west coast, expectations from the WC side of the 5v5 tourney, will he be able to step it up and avenge his loss at Devastation
- Ryan Hart - flying over from Europe and bringing what may be the best Sagat at the event, how he will cope with playing against the Americans, general thoughts of the event
- Ian Cofino - talking about the extended I Got Next footage he will be capturing at EVO, his thoughts concerning the storylines of Justin, Gootecks, and Joe in the movie, and all of his thoughts concerning this year
- Glenn of GetYourTournament - talking about the groups and brackets, who will go through, who won't, what upsets we might see, who we're going to see in the final bracket, top 8 placements, finals predictions, winner predictions, and much much more!
infested lol.. I was gonna go for a while, couldn't decide but I've been saving up to move back to Socal so i said fuck it.. ive been feeling shitty about not going all week but then today i found out im getting laid off so I guess its a good thing: / doesnt feel that way tho, missin biggest sf tourney ever ahhh.
im as hyped to watch it this weekend as anyone tho
im Broomzerg btw. Good luck to you and your Abel playing friend : )
I see, thanks for the heads-up. I might just turn in and catch the videos, its like 2AM already here (Or hope someone up's it to Youtube.. fat chance though >_>)
On July 18 2009 03:32 Adeny wrote: Why aren't they playing on the PC version with CRT screens? No lag, all controllers supported, etc. Only drawback would be install-time.
cause they can already use the ps3s and stuff that they already have.
On July 18 2009 07:13 Trumpet wrote: hahahaha, found out a local friend who doesn't even own the game got matched up against valle first round in sf4. And it was recorded. loooool
On July 18 2009 07:13 Trumpet wrote: hahahaha, found out a local friend who doesn't even own the game got matched up against valle first round in sf4. And it was recorded. loooool
Hey guys you know Infested from TL forums won his first two games in pool but then lost to Ryan Hart then lost his games in losers. Go claw/guile/tl power!!!
I was watching the stream and enjoying it until that Arturo (right?) guy comes along... Just nonstop useless jabbering - "like like like... OH YEA, EAST COAST.... Oh, this reminds me of a guy: <5 minute tangential rant as match is going>". Even his insight as a top-tier player doesn't save his random BS rants.
God, that annoyed me so much. Anyways, aside from that, first day was good even though the 'name' pros haven't played yet
On July 18 2009 14:54 broz0rs wrote: that's what I hate about Evo. The event is notorious for theft. I even heard that one of the announcers' sandwich got stolen.
It's vegas bro locals will jack from you. I've heard stories about maids literally going through peoples bags and taking things from there hotel rooms.
On July 18 2009 15:24 Myrmidon wrote: Is it just me or did the stream have painfully low fps? Stream is great and all and appreciated, but it's difficult to watch for long periods of time.
Low FPS, yes.
And the FPS gets worse the longer the stream runs, because the video player has a memory leak, so IE/Firefox eats up more and more memory over time. I was getting literally 1-2 FPS at one point before I finally closed IE (had to kill its process, in fact) and restarted it.
Sabin vs Mike Ross Round 1 Sanches vs Edma Round 1 John Choi vs Edma Round 2 SoMuchDamage vs Dr. Chaos Round 2 Combofiend vs Buktooth Round 2 (Devastation Re-match) Combofiend vs Dan Round 3 Sabin/MR vs Marn Round 3 Alex Valle vs Floe Round 3 iloveuJoe vs Daigo Quarterfinals Alex Valle vs Sabin/MR/Marn Quarterfinals Justin Wong vs Combofiend Quarterfinals SoMuchDamage vs EdMa/Choi Quarterfinals Justin Wong vs Daigo Semifinals Alex Valle vs John Choi Semifinals
Losers Bracket:
Sanchez vs Flash metroid Round 2 Sanford vs MikeRoss/Sabin Round 3 Sabin/MR vs Jibbo Losers 3 Floe/Valle vs Ricky Ortiz Round 3 Dr. Chaos/SoMuchDamage vs Lpn Round 4 Ryan Hart vs Haunts Round 5 Gootecks vs Dr.C/SMD/Lpn Round 5 Keno vs Sanford/MR/Sabin Round 5 Mike Watson vs ScrubbyDan Round 5 Ricky Ortiz vs Jibbo Round 6 Kai vs Gootecks/Dr.C/SMD/Lpn Round 6 Ryan Hart vs Combofiend/Dan Round 6 Flash Metroid/Sanchez vs Bukrooth Round 6 Jibbo vs Ricky Ortiz Round 7 Ryan Hart vs Gootecks Round 7 Mike Watson vs Sanford Round 7 Ricky Ortiz vs Alex Valle Round 8 Ryan Hart vs SoMuchDamage Round 8 Flash Metroid vs Combofiend Round 8 iloveuJoe vs Mike Watson Round 8
I saw on the stream Yeb, a Gen player, that made a ridiculous comeback against Ryu. I played with him online from time to time in Sega's Virtual On. I knew he plays SF4, but didn't know he was that kickass. Go Yeb! #virtualon for Virtual On.
sirlin after losing the 2nd match spent a good minute with his head in his hands like the next decision would be a life/death situation of his firstborn child.
This stuff is awesome. I am playing Street Fighter 4 since it came out for PC, but the guys playing there are so good... and then of course the more or less legendary players like Valle etc.
Sadly the stream is not working very well for me, but happy enough getting the matches afterwards through youtube.
Considering how this was probably one of the few times hes played, and that Graham Wolfe was on the development/testing/balance teams with Sirlin (before leaving because Sirlin disregarded his input) so hes been playing longer, I don't think daigo cares lol
On July 19 2009 10:10 blabber wrote: seeing as how I've never heard of any of these people (except Daigo, Justin Wong, of course), I'm just gonna root for people that aren't overweight
Haha indeed. There is a ridiculous amount of obese (not just overweight) people. Even more appropriate when they play as Rufus :D
wow fuckups by john when he fadc ultra but misses and eats a akuma ultra he then jerks his stick back and disconnects and pauses next match he gets raped
Anyone else attending this ? I Live in vegas and have attended the last 4 or so years. (know some friends in austin that usually come out to play guiltygear/SF.
Anyways, i'll probably be down there tonight and tomorrow, if you care to say "Hi" I'll be the tall white guy wearing the MBC Hat
Mine: Daigo will beat Justin Wong and make it to the finals. Wong will make it to finals from loser's bracket. Daigo will win again
EDIT: sidenote - i don't even play these games (ok, I know the basics of SF4) yet they're pretty damn fun to watch. It's a very clean game making it easy for the newb to enjoy... and still appreciate the tough combos/links. I'm pretty impressed I must say. Now I have another competitive E-SPORT besides Starcraft to enjoy!
Mine: Daigo will beat Justin Wong and make it to the finals. Wong will make it to finals from loser's bracket. Daigo will win again
EDIT: sidenote - i don't even play these games (ok, I know the basics of SF4) yet they're pretty damn fun to watch. It's a very clean game making it easy for the newb to enjoy... and still appreciate the tough combos/links. I'm pretty impressed I must say.
When Daigo plays Justin I hope somebody hella yells out LET'S GO JUSTIN!
Wong isn't going to pick Rufus against Daigo's Ryu. I think it will be a surprise and can go to either player.
during the evo stream, the announcers were saying how Japanese players were raping Rufus players so both Justin and Marn wanted to make a switch. Justin plays Abel a lot now, but he mentioned on DJWHEAT that he'll probably use Sagat if he encounters Daigo. I don't know why, in general, American gamers love counter-comping.
Wong isn't going to pick Rufus against Daigo's Ryu. I think it will be a surprise and can go to either player.
during the evo stream, the announcers were saying how Japanese players were raping Rufus players so both Justin and Marn wanted to make a switch. Justin plays Abel a lot now, but he mentioned on DJWHEAT that he'll probably use Sagat if he encounters Daigo. I don't know why, in general, American gamers love counter-comping.
americans counterpick because they/we want to win in japan ive never seen anyone ever counterpick. i think its kind of because they stick to their one character for prestige purpose since i hear japanese tournaments dont have a great cashprize
On July 19 2009 14:13 kefkalives wrote: Whats the top 8?
on alphaism it says 3 akumas in top 8...
Ed Ma, Fubarduck and who?
on the top winners justin (rufus) vs daigo (ryu) edma (akuma) vs edwardo (boxer) losers ricky o. (rufus) vs sanford (akuma) shady k (akuma) vs dan from japan (ryu)
loser matchups are prolly wrong and i didnt put in the players other characters
Wong isn't going to pick Rufus against Daigo's Ryu. I think it will be a surprise and can go to either player.
during the evo stream, the announcers were saying how Japanese players were raping Rufus players so both Justin and Marn wanted to make a switch. Justin plays Abel a lot now, but he mentioned on DJWHEAT that he'll probably use Sagat if he encounters Daigo. I don't know why, in general, American gamers love counter-comping.
americans counterpick because they/we want to win in japan ive never seen anyone ever counterpick. i think its kind of because they stick to their one character for prestige purpose since i hear japanese tournaments dont have a great cashprize
Single elimination tournaments in japan, so there's no real point, anything can happen.
Wong isn't going to pick Rufus against Daigo's Ryu. I think it will be a surprise and can go to either player.
during the evo stream, the announcers were saying how Japanese players were raping Rufus players so both Justin and Marn wanted to make a switch. Justin plays Abel a lot now, but he mentioned on DJWHEAT that he'll probably use Sagat if he encounters Daigo. I don't know why, in general, American gamers love counter-comping.
Choosing a counter strat is a part of the tournament strategy. If you know your opponent always go double nexus, you should pick the best counter strategy. Japanese tournament is 1 game only and no character switching.
On July 19 2009 14:13 kefkalives wrote: Whats the top 8?
on alphaism it says 3 akumas in top 8...
Ed Ma, Fubarduck and who?
on the top winners justin (rufus) vs daigo (ryu) edma (akuma) vs edwardo (boxer) losers ricky o. (rufus) vs sanford (akuma) shady k (akuma) vs dan from japan (ryu)
loser matchups are prolly wrong and i didnt put in the players other characters
SF4 losers pairings: Ricky vs. Dan, Sanford vs. Shady K
Props to Wildcard for reaching the finals and stopping EC's sweep through the tournament by stealing a game. Disappointed in both Norcal and Socal. Ugh!
On July 19 2009 18:41 TealLurker wrote: Props to Wildcard for reaching the finals and stopping EC's sweep through the tournament by stealing a game. Disappointed in both Norcal and Socal. Ugh!
Yeah! They were the only team to take 1 game away from EC.
Wow! Thanks a lot for the top 8. Shoryuken doesnt seem to be loading. I guess 3s is really dying in Japan... Lots of big names not qualifying for SBO and barely any Japanese players came.
The thing is that Sakura wants to setup a combo into EX tatsu in order to go into the godly mixup options that she has. As you saw in the video, EX tatsu launches in last hit and Sabre did the reset (stand jab dash under, jump short, jump rh in the corner so they bounce back in front, theres so many option) back into the same exact combo and like 2 or 3 of those stuns you and she can pretty much restart the setup again.
On July 20 2009 01:42 XYoonZ wrote: Wow! Thanks a lot for the top 8. Shoryuken doesnt seem to be loading. I guess 3s is really dying in Japan... Lots of big names not qualifying for SBO and barely any Japanese players came.
dude maybe 3S is dyign in japan but big names not qualifying for SBO? dude chekc out 3S qualifiers and tell me if u recognize the players
On July 20 2009 01:42 XYoonZ wrote: Wow! Thanks a lot for the top 8. Shoryuken doesnt seem to be loading. I guess 3s is really dying in Japan... Lots of big names not qualifying for SBO and barely any Japanese players came.
dude maybe 3S is dyign in japan but big names not qualifying for SBO? dude chekc out 3S qualifiers and tell me if u recognize the players
No MOV, Nitto, Mester, etc.
Sure there are still lots of well known characters. But the usual suspects of high level 3s are missing. Even KO barely made it in at the end. Overall it seems like those players are moving on.
Hey guys I have to go to bed now because I work at 6am tomorrow (Im in europe). Is there any way I can watch the entire SFIV stream tomorrow without spoiling the results =[ ?
On July 20 2009 05:36 zizou21 wrote: Hey guys I have to go to bed now because I work at 6am tomorrow (Im in europe). Is there any way I can watch the entire SFIV stream tomorrow without spoiling the results =[ ?
Wow! There were a lot of intense games in here. Mad props to Sanford for winning and Justin for fighting out of losers and getting one game short of winning. Also, props to Yipes.
damn arturo said these are all 100 dollar MM's with daigo.
Arturo vs daigo 5 4 arturo Combofiend vs daigo 5 3 daigo dr chaos vs daigo 3 0 daigo joe vs daigo 5 0 daigo Gootecks vs daigo 3 0 daigo Philly one vs daigo 3 0 daigo Daigo vs Sin 3 2 daigo daigo vs marn 5 4 daigo
On July 20 2009 10:13 Devanthar wrote: Do someone know how or why gootex raged out a bit yesterday or are that just rumors in the chat? Did they say when they are going live again?
On July 20 2009 10:42 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Any of these vids going up on youtube or anything? I can't get on the stream @ same time they're online 'cause of time zone differences T_T
If you drop $15 on IGN's Insider's service, you'll get captures and stuff, there's also the Evo DVD, but almost no youtube footage.
On July 20 2009 04:46 Bill307 wrote: Apparently Latif learned GG in Saudi Arabia. :O
His GG skill was forged in the deserts of Saudi Arabia and refined in the fire of the blazing Texas sun. Oh then he moved to Arizona. That jerk left us to return to the desert ;(
What an incredible series! I just wish Justin would have won because the place would have just went insane. It was so fitting how he had the USA costume on Balrog
Incredible - none of the other fights with Daigo were really that close, but the finals: 1-0 Daigo 1-1 1-2 Justin 2-2 2-3 Justin, forcing second set 1-0 Daigo 1-1 2-1 Daigo 2-2 3-2 Daigo for the victory.
The most hype moment was definitely when Justin Wong won the 1st set. He was down to PIXELS while Daigo still had a couple of clean hits left in him. But Justin got those hits and won.
After the grand finals, I'd say the second best set was Sanford > Dan with Cammy. I knew it'd make a big difference using a console character vs the Japanese players, since they have almost exclusively arcade experience. Dan had no idea what was going on in the 1st game, and was only just starting to get the matchup when he was peaced out in game 2.
Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.
Justin "discovered" his Balrog only after he's 0-1 into the GRAND FINAL, imagine if he had done that a week before evo, or a day before tonight, or a game before semifinal, it could have turned out completely different.
Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu.
On July 20 2009 15:02 GoodWill wrote: Justin "discovered" his Balrog only after he's 0-1 into the GRAND FINAL, imagine if he had done that a week before evo, or a day before tonight, or a game before semifinal, it could have turned out completely different.
Still, mad props to Justin Wong, even though he lost, he now truly possess the ammunition to put down Ryu.
I really doubt that. I think Stanford picking Cammy and Justin picking Balrog were obviously decisions they had decided on weeks before when they were practicing for this. They were sniping characters for the Japanese Ryu players.
what I thought was the key to series was Daigo's patented low mk+fb pressure meeting it's match against the best sweep in the game: Boxer's low rh. Justin did an outstanding job stuffing those mk's. There was a point where he tripped Daigo three consecutive times for free.
I loved how in the final games Daigo went crazy aggressive, but Justin found opportunities to headbutt -> ultra. Words can't describe how intense this whole match was. I have to be there next year in Vegas to see this live.
On July 20 2009 15:06 broz0rs wrote: what I thought was the key to series was Daigo's patented low mk+fb pressure meeting it's match against the best sweep in the game: Boxer's low rh. Justin did an outstanding job stuffing those mk's. There was a point where he tripped Daigo three consecutive times for free.
Yes, I definitely noticed that, despite not really following SF4. And also, once Justin was using Balrog, 80% of Daigo's jump-ins were hit until Daigo was mostly jumping in only after knocking Balrog down. It seemed like some of Daigo's bread and butter was shut down in that matchup.
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.
I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.
Wait til you watch japanese tournament. That is nothing in comparison.
The audience loves it since it adds a lot of personality to a name. Daigo is known to be quite emotionless.
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.
I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.
For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages.
Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration.
On July 20 2009 15:04 Zona wrote: Um, Justin's played Balrog in tournaments before - he qualified for SBO with Balrog.
Yes, but he clearly didn't prepare Balrog to counter Ryu, he chose Abel. If he hadn't take that 2nd game in the first set with Balrog, he would have most likely switched to Rufus or Sagat.
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.
I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.
For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages.
Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration.
Agree.
As S-Kill claimed. The Japanese players really love the atmosphere of American fighting game tournaments. Daigo himself said it freaked him out at first, but he was starting to really love the scene.
And they should, because the way Evo is done and the way it puts the finalists "in the show" is fucking amazing.
I can't believe Daigo kept his composure in that atmosphere. Everyone there knows that Daigo is the best in the world, its not like hes being disrespected...
I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.
Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote:Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.
Dan vs Sanford.
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.
Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.
Yeah, don't sign up for EVO if you are gonna counter pick against some Japanese. Before, it was an American tournament with American rule sets taking place in America. Now some Japanese players crossed the pond it has become a Japanese tournament with the superiorJapanese rule sets taking place in America.
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.
Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.
Whose fault is it? In this event you are able to change character. Comments like "Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic," shows how little you know about SF4. Daigo destroys japanese Boxer players. Picking Cammy against a good ryu is a big risk. The trades in hits always favor Ryu. A win is a win, so stop making excuses. Have you ever attended any of the Evolution tournaments? If yes then you would had already known Japanese do switch characters at Evolution. Daigo lost first round in Super Street Fighter Turbo using Guilie then he switched to Ryu.
Ken: I've been to several actually. None in the last 2 years though. I was a presenter in 2005. So yeah, spare me.
The match up doesn't matter in Cammy v Ryu because there are zero Cammy's here. Stanford going that route; knowing the Japanese scene firsthand, was cowardly. It shows he was scared to fight with his game so he picked a character there was no way the Japanese could know. Boxer vs Daigo wasn't so much a disrespect as Stanford's Cammy vs Dan. He knew Japanese had plenty of exp vs Akuma so he pussied out and picked a character that isn't available here.
Comparing that situation to any ST example doesn't even begin to work. It might if there was some secret character in ST that was only available in Japan and the US had no exp against it.
Goodwill: I don't know the format this year... but usually Evo is a step to SBO qualitication. If so, counter picking is a moronic tactic on the part of Americans. It means we don't see the player who adapts with their skillset, but rather we send someone who wins on the select screen. If the road leads to SBO then you should adapt to the rules of that situation. Either way, the SBO results always speak volumes about the flawed mindset of the Americans.
God forbid Korean coaches selecting a protoss to counter pick their opponent's terran ace in ace match. "Either beat them with your game or don't play. " Heh, using your logic.
Again, I have to ask how good are you at Street Fighter? Japanese tournament are 1 game series. 1 game, you're out. Anything can happen! A lot more randomness in Japanese tournament. I seen a lot of japanese tournament where it is a complete lopsided match, see CvS 2 japanese national finals. Tiers strength becomes more apparent as someone plays more game.
On July 20 2009 15:45 sk` wrote: I've seen Daigo live several times and I think it is pathetic American players counter pick to win. In Japanese tournaments you can't change... and this is part of the reason we get smoked every time we show up to SBO. Americans try to play the select screen in our own events and can't once they cross the pond. Japanese adapt to their opp's style regardless of the match ups.
Picking Boxer and Cammy to snipe the Japanese was pathetic, especially Cammy since they know she's not in the arcade and thus the Japanese have little exp against them. Either beat them with your game or don't play.
Ken: I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade.
Thus, in your example, it would be if someone picked the Xel'Naga to counter pick in SC.
I don't care so much about Wong vs Daigo... Wong always does this and always loses to bums in SBO for it. But Stanford preaches manner in the FG community and does something like sniper Japanese with console-only characters? That's just a low class move.
Also, I am very learned in how FGs play out. And yes, I do agree the American tournament system is better (albeit longer). However, the point here is the road leads to SBO. I know Wong is going. What's he going to do there when he has to commit to a character? A large component of his game has always been counter picking and this is why he tanks in SBOs.
On July 20 2009 16:28 sk` wrote: Ken: I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade.
This is a console tournament...
I get your point since your first post. I'm a Daigo fan and I have seen him live, but there is a difference between being a fan and being a Japanese dick rider.
Ken: I see you don't get it at all... ah well. The W is all that matters right? Heh, not testing your skill against someone else's. That seems to be the American mindset in FGs over the last 5 years.
If the W is all that matters, this yes, Stanford did the right thing and Wong should have picked Seth to beat Daigo.
If you want to test yourself and fight, then Stanford should have used Akuma; his main, to fight Dan; who's never seen a Cammy is his life. Stanford took the easy street, winning at the select screen.
On July 20 2009 16:28 sk` wrote: Ken: I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade.
Thus, in your example, it would be if someone picked the Xel'Naga to counter pick in SC.
I don't care so much about Wong vs Daigo... Wong always does this and always loses to bums in SBO for it. But Stanford preaches manner in the FG community and does something like sniper Japanese with console-only characters? That's just a low class move.
Also, I am very learned in how FGs play out. And yes, I do agree the American tournament system is better (albeit longer). However, the point here is the road leads to SBO. I know Wong is going. What's he going to do there when he has to commit to a character? A large component of his game has always been counter picking and this is why he tanks in SBOs.
How is it cheap to pick a character on the character select screen?
Are they supposed to show mercy to the Japanese players simply because they practice on the arcade version and not on the console version?
This is a tournament. People play to win, not to be "honourable".
Besides, Daigo and Dan came to EVO knowing full well they would have to beat players -- potentially very skilled ones -- using the console characters. They also knew full well it was their biggest weakness, and they should have expected their opponents to exploit it.
As for your comments on Justin Wong and counterpicking, now you're just talking out of your ass. Everyone knows he wins because of his superior skills, not because he counterpicks. Everyone except you, apparently.
Lastly, you don't seem to realize that players are not allowed to change characters in our SBO qualifiers. (And EVO is not an SBO qualifier, by the way.) The players who qualify for SBO outside of Japan qualify with that rule in effect. The road to SBO is the SBO qualifiers, period. (Why are you calling a tournament with console characters a part of the "road to SBO", anyway?)
On July 20 2009 16:36 sk` wrote: Ken: I see you don't get it at all... ah well. The W is all that matters right? Heh, not testing your skill against someone else's. That seems to be the American mindset in FGs over the last 5 years.
Apparently I must not be getting it despite everyone in the thread arguing against you. Japan must be hiding their PS3 and copies of console SF4. Not to mention access to PSN live which free.
On July 20 2009 16:39 sk` wrote: So I'm a dickrider because I think picking a character that isn't available in a country is a low class move? Rah rah, Japan... and stuff.
No, I consider a dickrider as someone that harks on and on while blindly follow what they superficially see, but don't look at something within the whole context.
On July 20 2009 16:36 sk` wrote: Ken: I see you don't get it at all... ah well. The W is all that matters right? Heh, not testing your skill against someone else's. That seems to be the American mindset in FGs over the last 5 years.
Bill: It isn't a matter of "honor". My point is that you're not beating someone when you pick a character they CANNOT get experience against. I would agree 100% with you if there was potential for them to gain experience, but they just didn't because of whatever reason... but it isn't possible. Granted, not living here I guess you can not understand the culture - in short, nobody plays fighting games on consoles. We all play in the arcades. Our apartments are small and there's a large stigma to spending too much time at home; especially when you're young.
As for your comment about Wong. I will not say he lacks talent or skill, he is clearly a genius. However, he is a well known counter picker in Marvel; and as I said, his SBO results speak volumes about that.
As I said, I was unaware if Evo was or was not a SBO qualifier this year.
Also... you called me a troll after replying... strange. But ok.
As I explained to Bill, the concept of staying in to play games is considered near taboo at their age.
Regardless of the culture, Stanford said himself that he was picking Cammy because he knew Dan's exp versus her would be zero. So, say everything you want, but by his own admission, he did it for the low class reasons I stated (to win on the select screen and not actually face the opponent).
I largely take issue because Stanford has tried to forward himself as a manner person to rally around (in contrast to Wong) recently. To me, today's actions were hypocritical. He wanted money - plain and simple.
On July 20 2009 16:15 sk` wrote: Ken: I've been to several actually. None in the last 2 years though. I was a presenter in 2005. So yeah, spare me.
The match up doesn't matter in Cammy v Ryu because there are zero Cammy's here. Stanford going that route; knowing the Japanese scene firsthand, was cowardly. It shows he was scared to fight with his game so he picked a character there was no way the Japanese could know. Boxer vs Daigo wasn't so much a disrespect as Stanford's Cammy vs Dan. He knew Japanese had plenty of exp vs Akuma so he pussied out and picked a character that isn't available here.
Comparing that situation to any ST example doesn't even begin to work. It might if there was some secret character in ST that was only available in Japan and the US had no exp against it.
Goodwill: I don't know the format this year... but usually Evo is a step to SBO qualitication. If so, counter picking is a moronic tactic on the part of Americans. It means we don't see the player who adapts with their skillset, but rather we send someone who wins on the select screen. If the road leads to SBO then you should adapt to the rules of that situation. Either way, the SBO results always speak volumes about the flawed mindset of the Americans.
Did you see gigantic banners advertising SBO QUALIFIER HERE anywhere in the evo event?
And that last part, that was incredibly thick. In fact, your whole post is incredibly thick.
And I scroll down ... it looks like you are on a crusade against the American fighting game community. Every single post from you is about how counter picking is wrong, how the Japanese way is the proper way, how Japanese players are better than Americans. Do you ever stop a moment and think that different players, events and communities have varying preferences? Why should Americans drop their consoles because arcades are everywhere in Japan? Why should Americans limit character variety and match making dynamics because the Japanese would have it otherwise? You threw things like "low class move", "testing your skill", "to win on the select screen and not actually face the opponent" liberally and contend you aren't trolling. I see you are not trolling, you are just incredibly dense, that's all.
The funny thing is that you actually mention the Japanese video game culture is different by explaining things like "arcades are everywhere", "gamers never stay indoor" blah blah blah then immediately goes around and bash the American players. You are an amazing poster.
It's just not possible for japanese people to play their ps3s. Unlike the vast majority of North America who waited for the console version to play the game due to some social stigma about 8+ hour drives to the closest arcade with it, Japan simply could not turn on their console game that came out before the NA or EU version.
The tournament could not have ended better though. Wong never ceases to be amazing. Glad the streaming worked out well too, it was going to be hard to beat djwheat's stream of Devastation, but I loved it. Having Dogface helps :D
On July 20 2009 15:00 Barracks_Obama wrote: Justin is a very good player, but his showboating makes the scene look bad. Just perpetuates the cocky US image. When you are prancing around like a fairy, nobody looks respectfully on that.
I give him props, and a big congrates to Daigo.
For god's sake he's not sticking out a downward pointing thumb here. This is a live console event, it's supposed to be LIVELY. Just because Daigo prefers sitting there glued to his chair for all his career doesn't mean other people shouldn't stand up and celebrate. If there's anything any player should be concerned about it should be the deafening roars of the crowd, and last time I checked nobody is putting up some soundproof glass booths on fighting game stages.
Only ustream fags should be bothered with this kind of celebration.
I dont mind an outpouring of emotion but the whole EC group of him and Marn thru the whole tournament seemed like they were excessively gloating, and doing it in the finals mid-match was like whatever. He coulda done it after he won the entire first set, he earned it at that point but it was basically after every single MATCH he won.
Anyway im glad Daigo won and I really believe he gave Justin the first set just to make it interesting for the audience but even if not it showed the top level american players can definitely compete with the top 50 japanese players at a lot of match ups. Even if only two Ryu players showed up(Where were the vipers, woulda loved to see like FZ top 8)
On July 20 2009 17:50 red.venom wrote: Anyway im glad Daigo won and I really believe he gave Justin the first set just to make it interesting for the audience but even if not it showed the top level american players can definitely compete with the top 50 japanese players at a lot of match ups.
Daigo was struggling the 1st set as much the 2nd set so I doubt there was any giving free games. Those 2 were constantly adapting and changing to each other.
By the way, Daigo lost in a money match to Ryan Hart (United Kingdom) and Arturo (USA). It wasn't on the EVO stream. They each played best of 5 or 9 games for $100. Ryan Hart use Sagat and I think Arturo use Dhalsim. Marn was tied 4-4 and almost beat Daigo, but screwed up his combo to finish off Daigo. Daigo won, but it was with a few pixels of life left. Marn used Viper. Hopefully someone will upload these matches.
daigo is definitely the best. And I play in Japan and I can tell you, the average level here is VERY high. But I guess the top levels in the US must be pretty decent too.
I'm pretty much neutral here, and I actually find SK's points are valid, though slightly biased. Those who says he is a troll are also biased... which is "normal".
The tournament itself did not take any console/arcade-only (and maybe cultural?) elements into consideration, so you can't really blame anyone, really.
Who doesn't want the money? Honor is good thing, but sometimes the cash just weighs heavier
On July 20 2009 16:56 sk` wrote: Bill: It isn't a matter of "honor". My point is that you're not beating someone when you pick a character they CANNOT get experience against. I would agree 100% with you if there was potential for them to gain experience, but they just didn't because of whatever reason... but it isn't possible. Granted, not living here I guess you can not understand the culture - in short, nobody plays fighting games on consoles. We all play in the arcades. Our apartments are small and there's a large stigma to spending too much time at home; especially when you're young.
As for your comment about Wong. I will not say he lacks talent or skill, he is clearly a genius. However, he is a well known counter picker in Marvel; and as I said, his SBO results speak volumes about that.
As I said, I was unaware if Evo was or was not a SBO qualifier this year.
Also... you called me a troll after replying... strange. But ok.
As I explained to Bill, the concept of staying in to play games is considered near taboo at their age.
Regardless of the culture, Stanford said himself that he was picking Cammy because he knew Dan's exp versus her would be zero. So, say everything you want, but by his own admission, he did it for the low class reasons I stated (to win on the select screen and not actually face the opponent).
I largely take issue because Stanford has tried to forward himself as a manner person to rally around (in contrast to Wong) recently. To me, today's actions were hypocritical. He wanted money - plain and simple.
You play to win, anything within the rules goes.
Don't be a wimp.
I don't play fighting games but it's ridiculous to call someone a bad person because he choose to maximize his chances in the finals of a tournament with 7000$ on the line.
On July 20 2009 16:28 sk` wrote: Ken: I think you're not understanding my point... you do realize there is no Cammy in Japan right? Nobody here plays console fighting games, EVER. So we only have the arcade.
Thus, in your example, it would be if someone picked the Xel'Naga to counter pick in SC.
I don't care so much about Wong vs Daigo... Wong always does this and always loses to bums in SBO for it. But Stanford preaches manner in the FG community and does something like sniper Japanese with console-only characters? That's just a low class move.
Also, I am very learned in how FGs play out. And yes, I do agree the American tournament system is better (albeit longer). However, the point here is the road leads to SBO. I know Wong is going. What's he going to do there when he has to commit to a character? A large component of his game has always been counter picking and this is why he tanks in SBOs.
How is it cheap to pick a character on the character select screen?
Are they supposed to show mercy to the Japanese players simply because they practice on the arcade version and not on the console version?
This is a tournament. People play to win, not to be "honourable".
Besides, Daigo and Dan came to EVO knowing full well they would have to beat players -- potentially very skilled ones -- using the console characters. They also knew full well it was their biggest weakness, and they should have expected their opponents to exploit it.
As for your comments on Justin Wong and counterpicking, now you're just talking out of your ass. Everyone knows he wins because of his superior skills, not because he counterpicks. Everyone except you, apparently.
Lastly, you don't seem to realize that players are not allowed to change characters in our SBO qualifiers. (And EVO is not an SBO qualifier, by the way.) The players who qualify for SBO outside of Japan qualify with that rule in effect. The road to SBO is the SBO qualifiers, period. (Why are you calling a tournament with console characters a part of the "road to SBO", anyway?)
a) Will the expansion/second iteration/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to SF4 feature additional characters?
b) Will it be released in arcades? If so, arcades first, or simultaneous?
c) If it is released in arcades, will the console characters "officially" join the core cast?
I'm interested in seeing more character variety in tournaments, and it seems that a lot of people claim the console characters to be either somewhat low-tier (other than Seth that is) or "gimmick" picks. I'd like to see the arcade and console players united under an expansion that will share all the characters so we don't get this silly rivalry in the future.
i mentioned in a previous message that I dislike counter-comping. I feel that whenever a player counter-comps they are selecting a character that is not their best character. I've seen most of the tourney, and most counter-comps failed miserably, such as Ed Ma's Gief.
With that said, EVO is a console based tournament that REPLICATES the home play experience in a stadium setting. That means you can change characters especially if you feel helpless against a character. Who hasn't changed their character to a top-tier after getting owned by a shitty Zangief player over and over again? This is the whole purpose of EVO and if people compare this to other competitions, you are hopelessly missing the point.
Not many people know this, but a few months ago Justin was hyping his Balrog to be his anti against Daigo's Ryu. People at SRK laughed at him because Daigo was dominating Japanese Balrog players. Fat kid proved everyone wrong, and he deserves an immense amount of respect for his games.
I agree with Frozen, you just gotta accept counterpicking how lame it gets. Marn picked Jam against Wuku in Guilty Gear Top 8 after Flashmetroid told him how bad his matchup experience was in Testament vs. Jam, and I guarantee you Flash is the only guy who wanted Marn to win. Pretty much everyone booed Marn every game he had on the big screen.
Anyways, here's some picks from my Evo:
Me and the Wong
Me and my mancrush Latif (GGXXAC Winner), EDDIE REPRESENT!
Me and my bestfriend Wuku, before he proceeds to rape the crap out of Justin Wong's Potemkin.
Me and my other bestfriend Dogface as we're getting dinner after Evo.
I really think rules should state you should stay with one character throughout the tournament, but since the rules did allow counter-picking, I'm perfectly fine with it. Players should not be blamed for doing whatever the rules allow to win, however lame it may be.
I had to watch the recorded stream and got spoilered, but the final games were amazing. Whoever said Daigo gave the first set to Wong is an idiot.
I mean the rules also give the players the option to blind pick to prevent counter-picking, you saw it a lot in ST2THDR (god that is a long acronym for a fighting game).
Me and my other bestfriend Dogface as we're getting dinner after Evo.
dude, you know Dogface? that's awesome. How come he didn't provide color commentary for SFIV? I think I heard the commentators looking for him. It would've been epic to hear his "OH MY GOD!!!!" screams in the Daigo vs. Justin match.
On July 21 2009 03:20 ToT)OjKa( wrote: mother fucking hilde
Tell me about it. Funny thing, not long after the game came out, there was a get-together for NorCal players up at KrayzieCD's place. Good, good players participated. BrianHates brought his new Cervantes, Manta brought his wicked Voldo, I was playing Algol, there were about 30 players there or so. Anyway, everybody was surprised when Cedric (Ceirnian) chose Hilde, who was thought at the time to be pretty underpowered. He had already mastered that ring out doom combo, and shocked everyone with all this skill coming out of a total newcomer, I mean nobody had heard of this guy. He won the tournament, and that's when people started realizing that Hilde is pretty fing broken. Now she's gone from bottom tier to S-tier, and everyone cheers when she loses. Funny stuff.
On July 20 2009 15:52 eMbrace wrote: BlazBlue is a great game but the guy who dominated was a complete douchebag IMO -- his interview made me cringe,
this was awhile back but ... the guy who won blazblue was HeartNana from Chicago. u don't even know him, and you are going to call him a douchebag because what? i saw the interview and i didn't hear anything bad he said.
On July 21 2009 05:37 H wrote: I didn't even see that. eMbrace, where you at? Explain why HeartNana is a douchebag plz, 'cuz I'm not seeing it.
Yeah HeartNana is a veteran of the Soulcalibur community, really upstanding guy who does a lot for fighting games. I don't see him as a douchebag at all.
lol heartnana was just saying the truth. never seen him play b4 the finals
training in america is like training in the gravity spaceship but living in japan is like training in the hyperbolic time chamber
lol
edit: i ignored the SC finals but i did catch the interview with the french ivy. he went on to say how admirable it was his opponent beat 2 hildes, as well as questions about anti- hilde strats. my friend's got sc4 so im curois as to what makes hilde so OP? her ringout juggle?
What makes Hilde broken is not actually the character itself, it's when you use binds on a pad that she becomes broken. This is why the Soul Calibur community has been so hesitant in banning her from tournaments, and why people in Evo were booing the players that chose her.
There's a thread somewhere on 8wayrun about banning her, but I dunno where it is.
On July 21 2009 07:41 H wrote: What makes Hilde broken is not actually the character itself, it's when you use binds on a pad that she becomes broken. This is why the Soul Calibur community has been so hesitant in banning her from tournaments, and why people in Evo were booing the players that chose her.
There's a thread somewhere on 8wayrun about banning her, but I dunno where it is.
The commentators said that the bind thing was "fixed" more or less, I think they were implying that the whole thing was kind of done.
The problem with Hilde based on what I saw was that on some stages, especially small ones, you make one mistake and you start preparing for the next match, nobody else in the game does that to you.
Anyways, I was more impressed with Latif's final match against Marn in GG finals, like that block sequence at the end in the corner was like jaw-droppingly insane, like there's psychic and then there's don'tevenbothercauseyouarejustgoingtogetpunished.
On July 21 2009 07:41 H wrote: What makes Hilde broken is not actually the character itself, it's when you use binds on a pad that she becomes broken. This is why the Soul Calibur community has been so hesitant in banning her from tournaments, and why people in Evo were booing the players that chose her.
There's a thread somewhere on 8wayrun about banning her, but I dunno where it is.
The commentators said that the bind thing was "fixed" more or less, I think they were implying that the whole thing was kind of done.
I don't think it is fixed. There's been talk of a POSSIBLE patch by Namco in the winter, and they apparently acknowledged that Hilde is broken.
This means that they can choose to have access to a 170 damage unblockable which is faster than some lows in the game.
That has very little to do with why Hilde is broken, actually. Kinda silly, but it's not a huge deal. For those who don't know, Hilde's cool trick/gimmick is that she can hold down A and/or B and charge up moves, which are all kinds of powerful except you have to hold those buttons down. Those big shiny launchers and flaming sword swipes you might have seen are her charge moves.
With button binds, you can charge up those moves while using the move as usual. This is already kinda silly. Also, with button binds she can break grabs despite charging the button that she would break the grab with. She loses the charge when she breaks, BUT without binds she would have to release the button (and get stuck in an attack animation) then push it again to break throws- pretty tough given that IIRC the throw break window is like 15F, but most command throws are like 8-12F break and some are a 1-4F break. However if you can just keep holding that button down and break throws as usual without having to worry about that, then she is just as good as anybody else at throw breaking, while being better than everybody else at having frame-advantage-launcher-to-ringout-combo moves.
Also about counter-picking, people are drinking the Japan kool-aid without understanding their scene or bothering to understand the US scene. There is nothing wrong with counter-picking, just like there's nothing wrong with sticking to just one character. You do realize that, just like it's hard to learn one character super well against the entire cast (and I doubt many of you are so good that you can say you've reached that point with your character), it's also very difficult to learn many characters to a high level against the entire cast. You're forgetting that counter-picking goes both ways; if they feel comfortable with another character against the character you just used, you might have just gotten counter-picked as well. And if they don't switch and lose, it's their fault for not knowing the matchup better, not your fault for being smart about it.
I find it really funny that, on a site that follows a progaming scene that exists largely because of the strategic play of a certain Emperor, people would be so vehemently against strategy in other games. Then again it's really easy to say that kind of stuff when you've never played with anything on the line besides BP or your online ranking on some meaningless leaderboards.
I'm glad daigo won, it's also great to see Justin not have any excuses about losing to Daigo this time.. Good on Ed Ma for taking 3rd.. That's awesome.
I'm against character swapping personally, the reason Wong did so well against Daigo when he went Balrog was the skill of Wongs rog and the fact Asia doesn't really have any S-Rogs compared to the states..
And also for the whole Sanford using Cammy against Dan.. Sanford must of really wanted that win badly.
This means that they can choose to have access to a 170 damage unblockable which is faster than some lows in the game.
That has very little to do with why Hilde is broken, actually. Kinda silly, but it's not a huge deal. For those who don't know, Hilde's cool trick/gimmick is that she can hold down A and/or B and charge up moves, which are all kinds of powerful except you have to hold those buttons down. Those big shiny launchers and flaming sword swipes you might have seen are her charge moves.
With button binds, you can charge up those moves while using the move as usual. This is already kinda silly. Also, with button binds she can break grabs despite charging the button that she would break the grab with. She loses the charge when she breaks, BUT without binds she would have to release the button (and get stuck in an attack animation) then push it again to break throws- pretty tough given that IIRC the throw break window is like 15F, but most command throws are like 8-12F break and some are a 1-4F break. However if you can just keep holding that button down and break throws as usual without having to worry about that, then she is just as good as anybody else at throw breaking, while being better than everybody else at having frame-advantage-launcher-to-ringout-combo moves.
I just put the short version because I figured most people won't give a fuck about Soul Calibur and they're not gonna click it.
Also I can't even be bothered saying why the shit in this thread is retarded because it's not even worth explaining to people who will not understand.
On July 21 2009 02:11 broz0rs wrote: Not many people know this, but a few months ago Justin was hyping his Balrog to be his anti against Daigo's Ryu. People at SRK laughed at him because Daigo was dominating Japanese Balrog players. Fat kid proved everyone wrong, and he deserves an immense amount of respect for his games.
Exactly. i really wanted Justin to win for that, but mad props to daigo. It was such an epic match
With counter-picking: If the tourney rules allow you to then why not? Obviously Daigo could also have counter-picked, he just chose not to. its accessible to both characters and both can adjust to it. Doesn't take away the skill from any of them.
only watched the first 2 minutes of teh interview, but I find it hilarious that Ume is saying rather little / being polite and subtle, while the translator is adding in TONS of details + superlatives that weren't voiced.
Though Ume mentions something about a magazine interview so it's possible the translator is pulling words from there too lol.
Terrible translator of a completely different nature than the ones we get at Bilzz events for korean.
On July 21 2009 18:07 CharlieMurphy wrote: Are there better non shitty frame rate small quality videos of the finals of sf4 etc on youtube or somewhere?
And where are the 3rd strike finals?
I think Evo will be releasing them as part of some IGN insider thing in high quality that's a subscription based service. Other than that, probably not
I've heard so much stuff about evo from the people that went, everyone came back talking about how fucking amazing it was. Fuck being broke ;_; Saving up for next year!
Also, I gotta note the lack of sagat near the top. What happened to the fabled US tier whoring? Also wondering if that had an effect on how outstandingly entertaining the matches were heheh
On July 21 2009 18:07 CharlieMurphy wrote: Are there better non shitty frame rate small quality videos of the finals of sf4 etc on youtube or somewhere?
And where are the 3rd strike finals?
I think Evo will be releasing them as part of some IGN insider thing in high quality that's a subscription based service. Other than that, probably not
I've heard so much stuff about evo from the people that went, everyone came back talking about how fucking amazing it was. Fuck being broke ;_; Saving up for next year!
Also, I gotta note the lack of sagat near the top. What happened to the fabled US tier whoring? Also wondering if that had an effect on how outstandingly entertaining the matches were heheh
I think it may have to do with the fact that everyone and their gramma practiced the shit out of 'vs Sagat' that the top players (all whom didn't really pick him) prevailed the imbalance.
Anyways, here are the shitty videos I was talking about:
i posted here on thursday saying i was going to try to make regular updates,
that didnt happen, obviously
it was pretty insane and so crowded, so much going on all at the same time that i wasn't able to really do anything. that coupled with no wifi in the convention hall, and my phone being dead for the majority of the weekend, because i forgot my charger.
i apologize again but it seems like the coverage was pretty good
one thing i want to mention though is that
on saturday during semis i was on the floor infront of the stage, and an asian guy sitting like right next to me was checking teamliquid on his iphone!!! i didn't get a chance to talk to him because there was other shit going on, but if hes reading this, whats up, and awesome.
also i didn't read this whole thread, but there was one point on the finals day, where someone lost ( i can't even remember what game, but it was before the hdremix/sf4 finals started, where people from the crowd yelled "Play Starcraft!!!"
which i thought was awesome..
one last thing to note, tony/tom cannon mentioned that the turn "ggpo" or "gg" in general, were coined from the fighting game community, i was almost positive that gg originated with the RTS community, but its been so long, i dont know who would even know.
if you guys have any questions about shit that didnt happen on the stream, i'd be happy to answer anything i can.
On July 21 2009 10:17 D00dles wrote: I'm against character swapping personally, the reason Wong did so well against Daigo when he went Balrog was the skill of Wongs rog and the fact Asia doesn't really have any S-Rogs compared to the states...
Ehh if you check that interview, Daigo claimed that when Wong picked Rog that he was pretty confident because he's played tons of boxers in Japan. But that wasn't the case when he started giving rounds, and eventually that close 1st set.
IMO he had a lot of time to adjust to Justin's Rog, but it was intense watching both sets and was exciting watching the match develop.
On July 22 2009 00:23 scbwnewb1 wrote: one last thing to note, tony/tom cannon mentioned that the turn "ggpo" or "gg" in general, were coined from the fighting game community, i was almost positive that gg originated with the RTS community, but its been so long, i dont know who would even know.
if you guys have any questions about shit that didnt happen on the stream, i'd be happy to answer anything i can.
He said GGPO originated from the fighting game community, he didn't say anything about GG. People were saying GG since the early days of online gameplay, regardless of genre. I do believe that "good game, peace out" was coined by fighting game players, especially if they were Marvel players, those guys are so ghetto haha. Who was it, MadBooFace that was up there helping to commentate during the matches? While the other announcers are talking about strategy and matchps, he's up there on the mic saying "YO, WANNA GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO BROOKLYNNNNN" hahaha
Well Good Game is just a staple of sportsmanship ever since sports were invented. Obviously you can't type GG on sf games and you don't need to because you can say it.
On July 22 2009 01:15 ZoW wrote: Daigo and his fight monies
Wish I could make that playing sf all day
lol is all that cash from money matches after the tourney there? That's pretty cool.
They played money matches in someone's room during the Blazblue and HDR finals I believe. He won like 600, + 1st place in the main tournament = 7.4k, so daigo made 8k in a weekend :O
As for Bang the Machine, from what I heard, there were only like 200 or so dvds made and the only way you can watch it is to go to evo
On July 22 2009 00:23 scbwnewb1 wrote: one last thing to note, tony/tom cannon mentioned that the turn "ggpo" or "gg" in general, were coined from the fighting game community, i was almost positive that gg originated with the RTS community, but its been so long, i dont know who would even know.
if you guys have any questions about shit that didnt happen on the stream, i'd be happy to answer anything i can.
He said GGPO originated from the fighting game community, he didn't say anything about GG. People were saying GG since the early days of online gameplay, regardless of genre. I do believe that "good game, peace out" was coined by fighting game players, especially if they were Marvel players, those guys are so ghetto haha. Who was it, MadBooFace that was up there helping to commentate during the matches? While the other announcers are talking about strategy and matchps, he's up there on the mic saying "YO, WANNA GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO BROOKLYNNNNN" hahaha
haha that was yipes
man had me dying when they were smashing the DC and yipes with a look of sheer disgust "man this is very disrespectful", "feel like i lost my child on stage man"
On July 22 2009 00:23 scbwnewb1 wrote: one last thing to note, tony/tom cannon mentioned that the turn "ggpo" or "gg" in general, were coined from the fighting game community, i was almost positive that gg originated with the RTS community, but its been so long, i dont know who would even know.
if you guys have any questions about shit that didnt happen on the stream, i'd be happy to answer anything i can.
He said GGPO originated from the fighting game community, he didn't say anything about GG. People were saying GG since the early days of online gameplay, regardless of genre. I do believe that "good game, peace out" was coined by fighting game players, especially if they were Marvel players, those guys are so ghetto haha. Who was it, MadBooFace that was up there helping to commentate during the matches? While the other announcers are talking about strategy and matchps, he's up there on the mic saying "YO, WANNA GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO BROOKLYNNNNN" hahaha
haha that was yipes
man had me dying when they were smashing the DC and yipes with a look of sheer disgust "man this is very disrespectful", "feel like i lost my child on stage man"
Yipes is hilarious.
As for GG, Marvel isn't that old...nor is GGPO...I would guess Usenet, where some of the ogs met for organizing get togethers in real life.
uhh.. what the.. lol, i don't know, but i convinced three ladies to come with me to experience this whole EVO thing next year and it'll be interesting if they can handle all that HYPE in one room. XD
At least you guys have an arcade. (With S!AH2.6, even.)
We have like a billion arcades. People mostly just play Tekken though. What's S!AH2.6? Is that Arcana Heart 2? I had no idea the Philippines even had that game around. Not that I really care about it. Haha...
At least you guys have an arcade. (With S!AH2.6, even.)
We have like a billion arcades. People mostly just play Tekken though. What's S!AH2.6? Is that Arcana Heart 2? I had no idea the Philippines even had that game around. Not that I really care about it. Haha...
Wow.
Oh wait, I confused the Philippines with Singapore... nm... <_<
rofl when gootecks had his mouth over his hand and then fall back it was like a movie where the game winning three point shoot stood midair for 5 minutes but ultimately missed
good video to bring out hype thou
edit: dam crowd was getting hype as fuck
double edit: when justin was looking at the crowd for what character it reminded me like an SC game where the crowd is gesturing to where the proxy is at *coughletacough* lololol. ofc its different but its still really funny