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Teliko
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
August 12 2013 17:06 GMT
#4621
On August 13 2013 01:27 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 22:18 Teliko wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:29 Bobbias wrote:
On August 10 2013 22:24 Teliko wrote:
Whenever I'm practising new songs that are way out of my league, I always just pause it and quit/retry a few seconds before it ends so the accuracy doesn't save and only complete it when I can FC with around 95%+. It's caused me to fall behind in levels a lot, but I don't really care. I never delete songs either, so when I improve I can go back on old songs and increase their accuracy.


Reading that made me cringe. I've never understood why people cared about accuracy ratings. They're useless. Even if they were a standard average of your accuracy through your entire career, or an average of all your top ranks, it's still useless. Its entirely possible for someone to only ever play stuff they can get 99%-100% on, but still be complete shit at the game. Personally I think the idea of only ever tracking people's top scores for PP is also retarded. Some people will sit down a play a song hundreds of times, or thousands of times, to the point of basically memorizing the entire thing, just to get a good top score, which is miles above their average play. Comparing that to the top score of a player who only plays stuff a few times and moves on is extremely unfair (especially since the second player could potentially be better overall, but simply never learn a single map well enough to get the same sort of top rank that the other player gets).

And like Yorbon said, finishing songs lets you keep a record of how well you did, so you can track your improvement. I spend 95% of my time in osu looking at my local scores, not global ranks.

As for rap, not really. Most music you'll find is anime music or touhou music, unfortunately. Rap is also very hard to make maps for, like MMEXE said.

While I can see where you're coming from, I take a different approach to the game than most. I've always been more interested in the competitive aspect of any game, because it makes it more fun for me. I don't get much entertainment out of just playing songs over and over again without being on some kind of leaderboard or having OTHER peoples scores to compare against. While you could argue "if you're a competitive gamer, why are you playing osu", obviously I do play specific pvp games, but osu is something I just play as a time out, but I still like to introduce a competitive aspect to it, such as maintaining a higher accuracy in comparison to my countries leaderboard and increasing my pp. No, I'm not saying they actually MEAN anything, but it's something I enjoy going by because it makes the game more fun for me by having something to compete against.

So cringe all you like, but I'm just helping you understand that not everyone plays games with the same goals. Not even singleplayer games. Of course everyone has the same goal of improving, but I improve to beat other peoples scores, not my own.
In my opinion, focussing on improvement before results is more competitive then the other way round. Similar to why professional football player train more then they play matches, and musicians practice more then they perform (generally). I'd argue that improving is a faster way to gain pp then hunting pp regardless of goals or whatever.

Of course, you may choose whichever method you want, but headbutting every wall will make your head hurt after a while.

I don't think i 100% agree with bobbias either, but i just felt like saying this.

While I agree with you, that's a good long term goal. Osu isn't really something I play enough to make that worth while. If I was aiming to be within the top 1k for example, then that'd certainly be the smarter option, but I take several month long breaks from Osu regularly or it gets too boring for me.
Add a drop of lavender to milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.
ShangMing
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada106 Posts
August 13 2013 00:05 GMT
#4622
I need some unranked maps for jump training and fast single-tap training pls.

Most of the ranked stuff is just terrible, and approved is usually too hard and/or streamy.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 13 2013 08:23 GMT
#4623
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/52411 only jumps. Play with dt for superfast jumps. althoughhat gets pretty impossible for me 8)
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/109042This one with dt is pretty hard (like, i can't play it)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/35773Standard jump map.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/88180My favrourite; although not jump centered, i noticed a significant aim improvement after i practiced this one.


https://osu.ppy.sh/s/31750this is ranked, but i found it to be pretty useful single tap training. The lks diff, that is.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/73478 a bit slower then last one, but dtable (although insanely hard for me) so longer useful

For fast single tap you can also just dt slow songs, although that gets a bit streamy most of the time (which is never bad imo, but well..)

I don't know your level, but i think this should be helpful.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 13 2013 08:29 GMT
#4624
And also: nyan nyan drive by caren_sk.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/106318
Yuugo
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 09:58:42
August 13 2013 09:58 GMT
#4625
The maps in my jumpy jump practice collection right now:
Hatsune Miku - Story of my Wife by KBT
Rhythem Heaven - shoot em Up by Rugure
Jomekka - Eighto by Tom94[490 diff]
Feint - Snake Eyes (feat. CoMa) by Alumetor
Blue Stahli - Anti You by thatguy0815
Bibuko - (something with Pudding) by val0108

If you're not quite comfortable with fast jumps yet, just play caren maps : http://firestorage.com/download/37ac4fb987c1bae05fdbf69454cad1ef7256965b or zapy maps: http://www.mediafire.com/?efdxhzkahjwzs
MegaManEXE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
August 13 2013 13:46 GMT
#4626
On August 12 2013 17:29 Bobbias wrote:
Its entirely possible for someone to only ever play stuff they can get 99%-100% on, but still be complete shit at the game.


hi
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
August 14 2013 15:23 GMT
#4627
On August 13 2013 22:46 MegaManEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 17:29 Bobbias wrote:
Its entirely possible for someone to only ever play stuff they can get 99%-100% on, but still be complete shit at the game.


hi




On August 13 2013 01:27 Yorbon wrote:
In my opinion, focussing on improvement before results is more competitive then the other way round. Similar to why professional football player train more then they play matches, and musicians practice more then they perform (generally). I'd argue that improving is a faster way to gain pp then hunting pp regardless of goals or whatever.


I do believe that focusing on improvement is the best way to improve, but what I was trying to say is that paying attention to your own scores is a better way to gauge your own progress towards whatever goal you set for yourself. I don't have a problem with wanting to compare your scores with other people's. I do compare myself to other players, I do get a lot of motivation to continue trying to improve from that as well.

The distance between the score in ranks varies (especially in standard where a miss halfway through a song basically guarantees a bad score) where the different between 95% and 97% acc is the same. 20 misses less is exactly 20 misses less, regardless of how it impacts the score itself. Since ranks are based on score, a small difference in one part of your run might have a large impact on your score.

For example, starting out inaccurate and increasing in accuracy later on as your combo is higher will net you larger score than if you played the beginning exceptionally well and then became more inaccurate, even if your overall numbers are the same. Because of that leaderboard scores vary wildly and shouldn't be used to compare with another player.

I enjoy watching my rank too, I just feel that the best way to achieve any personal goals I might have is better reached by not letting my desire to achieve that rank keep me from doing what I need to improve in order to achieve it. Putting too much attention on a fairly inaccurate scoring mechanism over paying attention to patterns in your individual scores leads to not being able to identify when you're improving in small measures, because the variance of the actual score masks the small steady change in your skill.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 14 2013 16:04 GMT
#4628
On August 15 2013 00:23 Bobbias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 22:46 MegaManEXE wrote:
On August 12 2013 17:29 Bobbias wrote:
Its entirely possible for someone to only ever play stuff they can get 99%-100% on, but still be complete shit at the game.


hi




Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 01:27 Yorbon wrote:
In my opinion, focussing on improvement before results is more competitive then the other way round. Similar to why professional football player train more then they play matches, and musicians practice more then they perform (generally). I'd argue that improving is a faster way to gain pp then hunting pp regardless of goals or whatever.


I do believe that focusing on improvement is the best way to improve, but what I was trying to say is that paying attention to your own scores is a better way to gauge your own progress towards whatever goal you set for yourself. I don't have a problem with wanting to compare your scores with other people's. I do compare myself to other players, I do get a lot of motivation to continue trying to improve from that as well.

The distance between the score in ranks varies (especially in standard where a miss halfway through a song basically guarantees a bad score) where the different between 95% and 97% acc is the same. 20 misses less is exactly 20 misses less, regardless of how it impacts the score itself. Since ranks are based on score, a small difference in one part of your run might have a large impact on your score.

For example, starting out inaccurate and increasing in accuracy later on as your combo is higher will net you larger score than if you played the beginning exceptionally well and then became more inaccurate, even if your overall numbers are the same. Because of that leaderboard scores vary wildly and shouldn't be used to compare with another player.

I enjoy watching my rank too, I just feel that the best way to achieve any personal goals I might have is better reached by not letting my desire to achieve that rank keep me from doing what I need to improve in order to achieve it. Putting too much attention on a fairly inaccurate scoring mechanism over paying attention to patterns in your individual scores leads to not being able to identify when you're improving in small measures, because the variance of the actual score masks the small steady change in your skill.
Hm, if this was what you were trying to say, i must say i misinterpreted your post. I think i agree with you.

But still, my post was directed towards teliko's post, and not so much towards yours.
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
August 14 2013 20:38 GMT
#4629
I just thought it was a chance to try to explain myself a little better in general. I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted. Sometimes I say things that are more opinion than fact, like they're fact .
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 20:55:48
August 14 2013 20:55 GMT
#4630
On August 15 2013 05:38 Bobbias wrote:
I just thought it was a chance to try to explain myself a little better in general. I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted. Sometimes I say things that are more opinion than fact, like they're fact .
haha, ok. don’t worry, no offence taken from my side.

edit: lol, sorry, still had japanese keyboard on, i had no idea this would be the effect.
MegaManEXE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
August 14 2013 22:57 GMT
#4631
this is cool
Yuugo
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 16:35:15
August 15 2013 16:33 GMT
#4632
On August 15 2013 05:38 Bobbias wrote: I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted.


What. Of all people around here you probably elaborate on your thoughts the most.
Okiesmokie
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada379 Posts
August 15 2013 16:53 GMT
#4633
On August 15 2013 05:55 Yorbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:38 Bobbias wrote:
I just thought it was a chance to try to explain myself a little better in general. I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted. Sometimes I say things that are more opinion than fact, like they're fact .
haha, ok. don’t worry, no offence taken from my side.

edit: lol, sorry, still had japanese keyboard on, i had no idea this would be the effect.

You can change it to half-width Alphanumeric with the Japanese IME.
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
August 15 2013 21:22 GMT
#4634
whats with osu getting ddos'd like on a daily basis? Dont see why someone would have a grudge or something, but osu is essentially a single player game/offline type game I dont really see the point of ddosing it
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 11:59:26
August 16 2013 11:57 GMT
#4635
On August 16 2013 01:53 Okiesmokie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:55 Yorbon wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:38 Bobbias wrote:
I just thought it was a chance to try to explain myself a little better in general. I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted. Sometimes I say things that are more opinion than fact, like they're fact .
haha, ok. don’t worry, no offence taken from my side.

edit: lol, sorry, still had japanese keyboard on, i had no idea this would be the effect.

You can change it to half-width Alphanumeric with the Japanese IME.
I got that after the post, too lazy to correct it.
But thanks anyway

On August 16 2013 06:22 acie wrote:
whats with osu getting ddos'd like on a daily basis? Dont see why someone would have a grudge or something, but osu is essentially a single player game/offline type game I dont really see the point of ddosing it
Copyright mafia has spotted osu on their radar!!
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
August 16 2013 13:40 GMT
#4636
On August 16 2013 01:33 Yuugo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 05:38 Bobbias wrote: I often make statements without really spending the time to explain why I'm saying something, which leads to me being misinterpreted.


What. Of all people around here you probably elaborate on your thoughts the most.


I fee like I should be able to make things more clear with less actual text.


Also, the full-width characters were pretty funny.
Tankz123
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 17:25:21
August 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#4637
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todays been a good day.

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wish this happened more often \o/

edit - also, mother of slider breaks.

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Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
August 16 2013 18:44 GMT
#4638
A lot of people from TL helped me with this map and today it finally got ranked!! Please try it out if you ever get the chance :D

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/70102

Yuugo
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
August 16 2013 19:33 GMT
#4639
Yesss :D

Well done Hanzer, I remember you showing that map to me a long time ago. I've been in love with your mapping style ever since. Here's to getting your other maps ranked! (psst Where Do I Belong psst)

(oh that mod was my first ever mod too, glad it helped)
Tankz123
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark228 Posts
August 23 2013 21:12 GMT
#4640
this seems dead for a while, time to update it!
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no idea how i got that score, i guess it just said click doing that run.
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