EPTOn January 07 2010 15:06 prodiG wrote:
HC = Camp with heartbeat sensor and 1click people
HC = Camp with heartbeat sensor and 1click people
ehh... that wouldn't really work out imo...
and even if it did, man, if u did that, you're just lame
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
ehh... that wouldn't really work out imo... and even if it did, man, if u did that, you're just lame | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On January 07 2010 15:06 prodiG wrote: Edit: you will only 1hit headshots with sniper rifles if i'm not mistaken the reason for this is when some jackass comes flying around the corner with his M4 not ironsighted spraying around he doesn't lucksack and 1hit you in the face, he actually has to make at least two shots connect (plenty of time for you to ironsight and take him down unless he still lucksacked you and one of the shots dinked you in the head and jewed up your aim) lol what? Anyone that goes wildly charging around corners in Hc is going to get sat the fuck down really fast. If that type of player is able to kill you before you kill them then it's not the gametype that's the problem, it's you. | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 07 2010 16:41 number1gog wrote: lol what? Anyone that goes wildly charging around corners in Hc is going to get sat the fuck down really fast. If that type of player is able to kill you before you kill them then it's not the gametype that's the problem, it's you. i was referring to softcore. hardcore mode is the "fastest possible map" of modern warfare and is for baddies who can't string up more than one hit (there's a reason why hc cod4 was never used in any noteworthy tournaments... | ||
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ShmotZ
United States581 Posts
 Any tips for a nub T_T? like how to kill campers and ways to stay alive long enough to get a decent killstreak up? | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On January 08 2010 02:45 prodiG wrote: i was referring to softcore. hardcore mode is the "fastest possible map" of modern warfare and is for baddies who can't string up more than one hit (there's a reason why hc cod4 was never used in any noteworthy tournaments... lol you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. | ||
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
On January 08 2010 02:45 prodiG wrote: i was referring to softcore. hardcore mode is the "fastest possible map" of modern warfare and is for baddies who can't string up more than one hit (there's a reason why hc cod4 was never used in any noteworthy tournaments... You need to go back to page 36 and read my take on HC. Edit: You don't have to string up half a clip to kill someone in HC. That means the other guy doesn't have to either. Playing with less life means you cannot take the risks you normally do in SC. Example: I'm sure everyone has encountered people that just marathon/lightweight/commando + tac knife in normal. This is plausible because of the lower bullet damage. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On January 07 2010 13:07 Kwidowmaker wrote: I don't understand the chart. Is it saying that a single head shot with an assault rifle doesn't kill? 1.4 * 40 is way less that 100. Yeah, a person has 100 life. Even with stopping power, the FAL is the only assault rifle that will kill in one headshot. | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On January 08 2010 02:45 prodiG wrote: i was referring to softcore. hardcore mode is the "fastest possible map" of modern warfare and is for baddies who can't string up more than one hit (there's a reason why hc cod4 was never used in any noteworthy tournaments... I think the truth is exactly opposite what you're describing. It takes more skill to succeed in HC. Because you die so fast, the first shot is more important. Being dead-on accurate with your first bullet is more important than being accurate with your 4th and 5th and 6th like it is in Core. I see more kids wildly spraying in Core than I do in HC. Also, I think it's adorable you call it SoftCore. It makes me giggle. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 08 2010 02:52 CommanderFluffy wrote: You need to go back to page 36 and read my take on HC. Edit: You don't have to string up half a clip to kill someone in HC. That means the other guy doesn't have to either. Playing with less life means you cannot take the risks you normally do in SC. Example: I'm sure everyone has encountered people that just marathon/lightweight/commando + tac knife in normal. This is plausible because of the lower bullet damage. I just read it (i'm assuming i read the right post unless you have another there :/) You don't have to string up half a clip to kill anyone in softcore either. The only reason I ever waste more than five bullets getting a kill is because I either have 150ping and shot until it told me he died, or I failed all over the place and missed a bunch of shots. I've seen lightweight knifers, I've played as one, and I beat them on a regular basis. All you need to do is be aware that there is a kid doing that, and play a little more open. MW2 is 50% awarness, 40% positioning, and 10% aim (awareness is a very big category, try me.) As for your points on hardcore, I disagree. I haven't tried HC in MW2 because... well, I hate it, but I played it in CoD4 when there were no decent ping softcore servers that I wasn't banned from (i would get regularily get banned for bunnyhopping and/or "cheating", when all that was happening was I'd get a UAV and shoot people through walls with an AK47 or AK74u). When I played hardcore, I could play exactly the same as I would in a scrim, or run around like a jackass and spray people because all i need to do is make one bullet connect, and I found that the only time I wasn't getting as many frags as I could have was when I was limiting myself to just the deagle  )At any rate, I found hardcore to be disgustingly easy, because all I have to do is be faster than my opponents, and not go into COMPLETELY retarded spots ;D | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32158 Posts
how can anyone even argue with a straight face that youll beat someone with good aim in hc by spraying? every time someone has said that in this thread, it's always someone who never plays hc. | ||
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
On January 08 2010 04:54 prodiG wrote: I just read it (i'm assuming i read the right post unless you have another there :/) You don't have to string up half a clip to kill anyone in softcore either. The only reason I ever waste more than five bullets getting a kill is because I either have 150ping and shot until it told me he died, or I failed all over the place and missed a bunch of shots. I've seen lightweight knifers, I've played as one, and I beat them on a regular basis. All you need to do is be aware that there is a kid doing that, and play a little more open. MW2 is 50% awarness, 40% positioning, and 10% aim (awareness is a very big category, try me.) As for your points on hardcore, I disagree. I haven't tried HC in MW2 because... well, I hate it, but I played it in CoD4 when there were no decent ping softcore servers that I wasn't banned from (i would get regularily get banned for bunnyhopping and/or "cheating", when all that was happening was I'd get a UAV and shoot people through walls with an AK47 or AK74u). When I played hardcore, I could play exactly the same as I would in a scrim, or run around like a jackass and spray people because all i need to do is make one bullet connect, and I found that the only time I wasn't getting as many frags as I could have was when I was limiting myself to just the deagle )At any rate, I found hardcore to be disgustingly easy, because all I have to do is be faster than my opponents, and not go into COMPLETELY retarded spots ;D Note: I'm not here to determine which gamemode is better. Different strokes for different folks. You are missing my point regarding lightweight knifers. It's not about combating them, its the fact that tac knifing is a viable build in normal that shows you can play riskier. I'm not going to argue the percentages, those are really a matter of opinion. Although i do agree awareness is a huge part of the game. From reading your last post, in COD4 people banned you from HC for being too good at wall penetration, hopping, and being really fast + accurate. This information is irrelevant to our discussion and have nothing to do with my stance on HC. Those points are your personal experiences that have shaped your opinion on HC. But they do not give you the right to denounce it the way you have. You've stated that you are a great reaction player that can get away with running around like a jackass in HC. Alright, that had something to do with what i said. Your reaction time maybe really good, but it's impossible to see everything, let alone react to it. What i mean is: You might be faster than the other guy, but he's in a spot that doesnt require him to be faster. He can take his sweet time to ADS, kill with a minimal number of bullets so that there are less tracers for your allies to follow, and move for more kills. A good HC player doesnt fire unless he intends to kill, you won't get a chance to react. Hell, you wont even get killcam to see where he shot you from. You bring up a good point regarding the fact that people are easier to kill in HC. At the same time you dont "go into COMPLETELY retarded spots." By this i'm assuming you mean places that are often watched and/or makes you an easy shot. In HC the number of "COMPLETELY retarded spots" increases dramatically because one has an easier time making shots. Therefore running around like a jackass will only increase your exposure to these spots and increase your death count. I'm not saying you suck or anything. But bashing HC without really playing it really doesnt make sense to me. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 08 2010 07:12 CommanderFluffy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 08 2010 04:54 prodiG wrote: I just read it (i'm assuming i read the right post unless you have another there :/) You don't have to string up half a clip to kill anyone in softcore either. The only reason I ever waste more than five bullets getting a kill is because I either have 150ping and shot until it told me he died, or I failed all over the place and missed a bunch of shots. I've seen lightweight knifers, I've played as one, and I beat them on a regular basis. All you need to do is be aware that there is a kid doing that, and play a little more open. MW2 is 50% awarness, 40% positioning, and 10% aim (awareness is a very big category, try me.) As for your points on hardcore, I disagree. I haven't tried HC in MW2 because... well, I hate it, but I played it in CoD4 when there were no decent ping softcore servers that I wasn't banned from (i would get regularily get banned for bunnyhopping and/or "cheating", when all that was happening was I'd get a UAV and shoot people through walls with an AK47 or AK74u). When I played hardcore, I could play exactly the same as I would in a scrim, or run around like a jackass and spray people because all i need to do is make one bullet connect, and I found that the only time I wasn't getting as many frags as I could have was when I was limiting myself to just the deagle )At any rate, I found hardcore to be disgustingly easy, because all I have to do is be faster than my opponents, and not go into COMPLETELY retarded spots ;D Note: I'm not here to determine which gamemode is better. Different strokes for different folks. You are missing my point regarding lightweight knifers. It's not about combating them, its the fact that tac knifing is a viable build in normal that shows you can play riskier. I'm not going to argue the percentages, those are really a matter of opinion. Although i do agree awareness is a huge part of the game. From reading your last post, in COD4 people banned you from HC for being too good at wall penetration, hopping, and being really fast + accurate. This information is irrelevant to our discussion and have nothing to do with my stance on HC. Those points are your personal experiences that have shaped your opinion on HC. But they do not give you the right to denounce it the way you have. You've stated that you are a great reaction player that can get away with running around like a jackass in HC. Alright, that had something to do with what i said. Your reaction time maybe really good, but it's impossible to see everything, let alone react to it. What i mean is: You might be faster than the other guy, but he's in a spot that doesnt require him to be faster. He can take his sweet time to ADS, kill with a minimal number of bullets so that there are less tracers for your allies to follow, and move for more kills. A good HC player doesnt fire unless he intends to kill, you won't get a chance to react. Hell, you wont even get killcam to see where he shot you from. You bring up a good point regarding the fact that people are easier to kill in HC. At the same time you dont "go into COMPLETELY retarded spots." By this i'm assuming you mean places that are often watched and/or makes you an easy shot. In HC the number of "COMPLETELY retarded spots" increases dramatically because one has an easier time making shots. Therefore running around like a jackass will only increase your exposure to these spots and increase your death count. I'm not saying you suck or anything. But bashing HC without really playing it really doesnt make sense to me. oh wow you're not trolling i started playing hardcore because i was under the impression there was going to be a cash tournament at a local lan (long story short they cancelled the tournament because of... my team... ANYWAY) so i've put at least 20 hours into hardcore. and while i agree with your points about hardcore, once you grind the bad players out of "softcore", it becomes very much the same. I've played a lot of competetive CoD4 and quite a bit of MW2, and what it boils down to at the end of the day was positioning. Whoever found themself in a better spot when a fight had to go down would often win. When i was trying hardcore I obviously could play with similar tactics that I would use in a scrim such as moving behind cover, clearing out areas before advancing, etc rather than sprinting down the map until i feel like it's a good time to look around and shoot someone. But i noticed after awhile what hardcore boiled down (for me) was sitting in a decent spot until i got 3 kills to get me a UAV, and from there I could push around the map damn near freely shooting my enemies through the walls as they spawn and getting into yet another position to screw up their spawn. SD in hardcore on the other hand is of course quite another story, and one I'll admit i don't know well enough to argue. (most, if not all of my HC time was in TDM and sabotage, because i think SD is GAY when everyone can whip claymores and C4 all over the bombsites and spawn with triple frag nades and basically nuke half the team every round -_-) In conclusion, I found the skill required (at the high end) of CoD play to be a lot more catered to softcore. Often times if you were to push out into an area that is dangerous, somebody will snipe you with an AK47 with his first two shots. If every one with every gun killed each other in one hit, and everyone's aim was perfect, then the game would be come even more random than it is already. EDIT: for casual players, play what you want, just don't ban me from your server when I'm bored and join and wallbang you | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On January 08 2010 12:59 prodiG wrote: In conclusion, I found the skill required (at the high end) of CoD play to be a lot more catered to softcore. Often times if you were to push out into an area that is dangerous, somebody will snipe you with an AK47 with his first two shots. If every one with every gun killed each other in one hit, and everyone's aim was perfect, then the game would be come even more random than it is already. I couldn't really understand your post except for this part (not trying to be offensive, just saying). I don't understand how this aspect of the game makes the game "more random." If anything, it means it is more structured. In SC, people can just run (almost) anywhere they want on the map, thus severely changing the positioning of each individual team. In HC, when there are certain areas that just aren't going to work, the game becomes much more structured. Limitations and restrictions provide organization...they usually don't contribute to chaos and randomness. | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
On January 08 2010 12:59 prodiG wrote: oh wow you're not trolling i started playing hardcore because i was under the impression there was going to be a cash tournament at a local lan (long story short they cancelled the tournament because of... my team... ANYWAY) so i've put at least 20 hours into hardcore. and while i agree with your points about hardcore, once you grind the bad players out of "softcore", it becomes very much the same. I've played a lot of competetive CoD4 and quite a bit of MW2, and what it boils down to at the end of the day was positioning. Whoever found themself in a better spot when a fight had to go down would often win. When i was trying hardcore I obviously could play with similar tactics that I would use in a scrim such as moving behind cover, clearing out areas before advancing, etc rather than sprinting down the map until i feel like it's a good time to look around and shoot someone. But i noticed after awhile what hardcore boiled down (for me) was sitting in a decent spot until i got 3 kills to get me a UAV, and from there I could push around the map damn near freely shooting my enemies through the walls as they spawn and getting into yet another position to screw up their spawn. SD in hardcore on the other hand is of course quite another story, and one I'll admit i don't know well enough to argue. (most, if not all of my HC time was in TDM and sabotage, because i think SD is GAY when everyone can whip claymores and C4 all over the bombsites and spawn with triple frag nades and basically nuke half the team every round -_-) In conclusion, I found the skill required (at the high end) of CoD play to be a lot more catered to softcore. Often times if you were to push out into an area that is dangerous, somebody will snipe you with an AK47 with his first two shots. If every one with every gun killed each other in one hit, and everyone's aim was perfect, then the game would be come even more random than it is already. EDIT: for casual players, play what you want, just don't ban me from your server when I'm bored and join and wallbang you I think this just boils down to you not playing enough of the gametype. Ok you played a bit of HC TDM, and you're now biased against it because everyone camps? It's TDM, in CoD. Everyone camps, all the damn time. It doesn't matter how many bullets it takes, if one guy is posted on a corner while the other guy is moving around the corner, the guy posted up is going to win. Regardless of gametype. Can we agree on that? Ok you're good at the game, in the default game mode. I'll let you be the authority on that. I might even ask you for pointers from time to time. But until you've played a season or two of map gen in HC, I don't quite trust you. | ||
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
I guess my bias essentially boils down to the fact that Hardcore (IMO) is essentially instagib CoD, and instagib was never a good way to show who was good at quake (ooooooold school CPMA player. If you want to be good at shooters, play an assload of quake and then go play anything else ;D) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32158 Posts
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prodiG
Canada2016 Posts
On January 08 2010 23:12 Hawk wrote: the only similarities between cod and quake are that they both use guns a lot... it's completely different styles of gameplay. i havent seen one post in this thread that shows you know what the fuck youre talking about they're closer than you think the cod engine is built on id tech 3, and they've neglected to program out a lot of quake physics. For example, you can still circle jump / strafe jump, however you can't chain up more than one jump because of stamina loss when you hit the ground. The point i was trying to make in the last post was a) quake players often have better aim, just like a starcraft player will have better macro than a CNC3 player, and b) instagib in quake was a bad way to measure player's skill, and HC CoD reminds me too much of instagib. | ||
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ffswowsucks
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