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On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done.
I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd.
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On July 02 2011 00:42 Torenhire wrote:
Rockets.
At least when the rockets got buffed, it made the Vengeance actually pretty fun to fly. Haven't kept up much with the game as of late, so maybe rockets suck again... but I'd give em a shot :D
The problem is that they are harder to fit that autos, also I have no rocket skills which is a problem. Rockets do decent dps when you have web but it isn't great. However the auto cannons do poor dps unless you are in thte face of the other frigate, and the vengeance dosnt have the speed to do this.
Rockets are probably the best bet if I can fit them though because I don't need to control the range to make them do damage, it's time for some serious EFTage when I get home.
Or I could just shove lazors and a cap booster on because scorch imba, man my vengeance is going to be looking quite retarded when I'm finished with it :-).
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Don't have rocket skills? Mang L2Noobfit skills.
Or at least, when I was a noob, I thought rockets were THE SHIT and I trained the hell outta em XD
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United States42004 Posts
On July 02 2011 00:43 abominare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done. I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd.
Two of them joined hatchery recently and have started getting smashed on our behalf. One of them sat in a cruiser slowly dying to gate guns (having been given prior orders to align out and warp if in any danger) and then got down to low armour and finally said "should I (no indication of who he was or situation) warp out?". I said yes so he started to align and died a few seconds later.
The second tried to brawl down a baddon with two guardians in a nanocane. Apparently in ANZAC the FC tells them how far they are from the target and how far they should be and when to back off and when to get closer so although he knew what he was doing was stupid and he knew he I didn't want him to do it he was waiting for me to see that he was fucking up and tell him not to.
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On July 02 2011 01:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 00:43 abominare wrote:On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done. I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd. Two of them joined hatchery recently and have started getting smashed on our behalf. One of them sat in a cruiser slowly dying to gate guns (having been given prior orders to align out and warp if in any danger) and then got down to low armour and finally said "should I (no indication of who he was or situation) warp out?". I said yes so he started to align and died a few seconds later. The second tried to brawl down a baddon with two guardians in a nanocane. Apparently in ANZAC the FC tells them how far they are from the target and how far they should be and when to back off and when to get closer so although he knew what he was doing was stupid and he knew he I didn't want him to do it he was waiting for me to see that he was fucking up and tell him not to.
Well you did break your normal rule, new people start in frigs.
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United States42004 Posts
On July 02 2011 01:53 abominare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 01:15 KwarK wrote:On July 02 2011 00:43 abominare wrote:On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done. I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd. Two of them joined hatchery recently and have started getting smashed on our behalf. One of them sat in a cruiser slowly dying to gate guns (having been given prior orders to align out and warp if in any danger) and then got down to low armour and finally said "should I (no indication of who he was or situation) warp out?". I said yes so he started to align and died a few seconds later. The second tried to brawl down a baddon with two guardians in a nanocane. Apparently in ANZAC the FC tells them how far they are from the target and how far they should be and when to back off and when to get closer so although he knew what he was doing was stupid and he knew he I didn't want him to do it he was waiting for me to see that he was fucking up and tell him not to. Well you did break your normal rule, new people start in frigs.
Yes, I want to follow my rules but I get blinded by the prize. I hate having the pilot numbers to get a job done but not being able to use them because I have doubts about their competence. 
I talk myself into it, it's a failing.
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I am no AF expert- but i was looking to get into this
[Vengeance, Vengeance fit]
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
1MN Afterburner II
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Armor Repairer II
Thermic Plating II
Ballistic Control System II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
6.94 EHP
150DPS
Cap stable for 17min with everything running
861 m/s for speed
Of course you can drop the rigs for trimarks and the bcu to create a really tanky frig- but i like having some dps  But the retribution does a tank so much better- too bad it only has 1 mid QQ
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That is something like I would get, however I do really like the dual rep with a cap booster, however it lacks the web so you could do something like put a mdw+long point so you wouldn't lose targets, also you could fit range rigs so you could hit from 15km, however I really need eft to see how good it would actually be. Also the problem is that dual rep fits costs alot of money if you want to pimp it so I may go with just 1 rep and fit a cap booster so but make sure I have the nanobot accelerator rigs, but it does look like I will have to train rocket skills (or I could use lazors as cap isn't really a problem in a cap boosting vengeance with 1 rep.) I just won't attack ruptures in it and it will be fine.
Also active armour frigs NEED a damage control, trust me on this.
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I prefer MWD + AB over AB + Web, if you can fit it.
With an MWD + AB, you have the MWD for high speed when needed, and the AB when you get scrammed and to cancel out a web (AB + web = near normal speed).
AB + Web is very vulnerable to being kited.
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United States42004 Posts
Those rigs are pretty retarded, why would you deliberately stacking penalise yourself.
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Uber and I did a "angel red light district  " together and got a cynabal bpc and overseer effects. Got a profit of 230 mil which we split 50/50. Not bad for a night of probing, and certainly a lot more enjoyable than grinding L4s (though the income is very inconsistent)
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On July 02 2011 02:32 Thezzy wrote:
I prefer MWD + AB over AB + Web, if you can fit it.
With an MWD + AB, you have the MWD for high speed when needed, and the AB when you get scrammed and to cancel out a web (AB + web = near normal speed).
AB + Web is very vulnerable to being kited.
Tbh in a vengeance if your being kited then you can tank the damage that you are taking, my dual rep vengeance can prema tank a dramial at zero on me, also it could probably perma tank a rupture that isn't neuting me.
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Just to say that i've left the corp but i'll try and come back once Im better at the game :D Haha, The Hathcery isnt very Noob friendly but, i'l soon get there and join again
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On July 02 2011 03:16 TheQSGamer wrote:Just to say that i've left the corp but i'll try and come back once Im better at the game :D Haha, The Hathcery isnt very Noob friendly but, i'l soon get there and join again
If you don't like the high pressure atmosphere we often get, then yes we're not noob friendly. If you prefer to learn extremely quickly then we are brilliant. It's not for everyone.
Good luck.
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United States42004 Posts
On July 02 2011 03:16 TheQSGamer wrote:Just to say that i've left the corp but i'll try and come back once Im better at the game :D Haha, The Hathcery isnt very Noob friendly but, i'l soon get there and join again
Quite the opposite in my opinion. We're noob friendly because we let you in. Once you're in you're treated like an adult and required to keep up, required to be competent. That doesn't mean you will be competent, you'll fuck up and you'll get bollocked for it. But you won't get kicked for it, you'll still be required to keep up the next day until one day you can.
There really is no alternative because no corp which actually knows what's what (0.1% of corps in eve) wants brand new players, the tl connection is your biggest asset. What you have to understand is that wherever you go now, what they tell you will simply be wrong. Whatever they say on any subject, wrong. Just the way it is.
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On July 02 2011 02:14 Ramiel wrote:I am no AF expert- but i was looking to get into this [Vengeance, Vengeance fit] Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket 1MN Afterburner II Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer II Thermic Plating II Ballistic Control System II Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I 6.94 EHP 150DPS Cap stable for 17min with everything running 861 m/s for speed Of course you can drop the rigs for trimarks and the bcu to create a really tanky frig- but i like having some dps But the retribution does a tank so much better- too bad it only has 1 mid QQ
I'm not much of a fan of active tanked frigs, especially without a dcu, youre going to bleed into structure and die before you really get a lot of ehp out of repping. Also youre double screwed vs people who use neuts. Furthermore frig battles are all about range dictating virtually any other frig with a web will be able to escape that slow of a frig.
In other news less than two weeks and I will be able to fly the most obnoxious jag fit ever.
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On July 02 2011 03:22 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 03:16 TheQSGamer wrote:Just to say that i've left the corp but i'll try and come back once Im better at the game :D Haha, The Hathcery isnt very Noob friendly but, i'l soon get there and join again Quite the opposite in my opinion. We're noob friendly because we let you in. Once you're in you're treated like an adult and required to keep up, required to be competent. That doesn't mean you will be competent, you'll fuck up and you'll get bollocked for it. But you won't get kicked for it, you'll still be required to keep up the next day until one day you can. There really is no alternative because no corp which actually knows what's what (0.1% of corps in eve) wants brand new players, the tl connection is your biggest asset. What you have to understand is that wherever you go now, what they tell you will simply be wrong. Whatever they say on any subject, wrong. Just the way it is.
Anzac is recruiting :D
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On July 02 2011 01:15 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 00:43 abominare wrote:On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done. I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd. Two of them joined hatchery recently and have started getting smashed on our behalf. One of them sat in a cruiser slowly dying to gate guns (having been given prior orders to align out and warp if in any danger) and then got down to low armour and finally said "should I (no indication of who he was or situation) warp out?". I said yes so he started to align and died a few seconds later. The second tried to brawl down a baddon with two guardians in a nanocane. Apparently in ANZAC the FC tells them how far they are from the target and how far they should be and when to back off and when to get closer so although he knew what he was doing was stupid and he knew he I didn't want him to do it he was waiting for me to see that he was fucking up and tell him not to.
not wanting to feed this anymore, but at least....
i think we were at the point where it was more than clear that noone was trying to brawl down an abaddon. i was too close to station, i realized when they undocked, and by then it was too late, since it was "point" by them, order to gtfo by us, and thus leaving me being waaaaay too close to them (my bad), with all gateguns and them.
my bad positioning? yes.
trying to brawl the abaddon? in a different universe, maybe.
I am going to leave it at that, because its a pointless discussion to have over and over.
It was my mistake. Done.
You FC unlike any other FC i have been with, and that is not just ANZA, that is really any. So its a matter of getting used to it.
/eof
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On July 02 2011 03:28 naknak wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 01:15 KwarK wrote:On July 02 2011 00:43 abominare wrote:On July 01 2011 23:18 KwarK wrote:
We just killed ANZAC's cap fleet. Ueber called them forming up in Isto so I cruised on over and we found 2 carriers, a basi, a tempest fleet, about 5 bs, 2 bombers and 5 bc on their pos. They then warped to another pos which they started attacking. As we only had 3 bc online I opened my phone book and looked up who we knew and it just so happened that DeathStar of mean corp fame was online. I told him what we had and he started things rolling. While I waited I attacked their gang (see above) with my drake and killed one stealth bomber and forced the other off the field. Drake life.
About 45 minutes later we had 6 (I think) dreadnoughts and a carrier within cyno range, having shipped them up from curse. Ueber provided me a warpin and I lit up 10k off of their fleet. ANZAC were all at 0 velocity and clearly had no preparation or standing orders for this scenario. Their FC panicked and called me primary but the damage was done and their chimera got pretty much alphaed. Karah, Ueber and I held point on a chimera, thanatos and tempest fleet and they did their best to take us down (we were all caps, no support ships). I dropped but a dread had secondary on the chimera which followed me seconds later and the same happened with Karah and the thanny. Ueber did a good job of running down the pest but unfortunately got ewar droned.
With the job done we left the field and started scooping our 700m loot. Deathstar magnanimously said we could keep all we killed as they took no losses and the op was a piece of cake. ANZAC got the rest of their fleet out (if only we'd had a proteus with 5 scrams, a cyno and 600k EHP) but the damage was around 2.2b. Job done. I dont get ANZAC anymore, how do you log in day in and day out and still think its a good idea to be in that corp? They literally get smashed whenever they undock anywhere near odd. Two of them joined hatchery recently and have started getting smashed on our behalf. One of them sat in a cruiser slowly dying to gate guns (having been given prior orders to align out and warp if in any danger) and then got down to low armour and finally said "should I (no indication of who he was or situation) warp out?". I said yes so he started to align and died a few seconds later. The second tried to brawl down a baddon with two guardians in a nanocane. Apparently in ANZAC the FC tells them how far they are from the target and how far they should be and when to back off and when to get closer so although he knew what he was doing was stupid and he knew he I didn't want him to do it he was waiting for me to see that he was fucking up and tell him not to. not wanting to feed this anymore, but at least.... i think we were at the point where it was more than clear that noone was trying to brawl down an abaddon. i was too close to station, i realized when they undocked, and by then it was too late, since it was "point" by them, order to gtfo by us, and thus leaving me being waaaaay too close to them (my bad), with all gateguns and them. my bad positioning? yes. trying to brawl the abaddon? in a different universe, maybe. I am going to leave it at that, because its a pointless discussion to have over and over. It was my mistake. Done. You FC unlike any other FC i have been with, and that is not just ANZA, that is really any. So its a matter of getting used to it. /eof
You were pointed? So you were in scram range of the undock? If it was long point you were less than a good over heat cycle away from getting out.
If it was scram then you were most definitely so close to the undock that the only logical answer was that you were prepared to brawl them out.
I dont anyone actually thinks it was in your mind to brawl but your situation only makes sense if you meant to brawl them, hence everyone saying you were trying to brawl down the abby. Therefore to remind you of how poor your distance setting was people will refer to what you were doing as brawling.
Also yes kwarks fc is different than other corps because our fc is not retarded like 99.99% of eve is, for proof checkout www.battleclinic.com under fittings and any forum at www.eveonline.com, the people of eve are slow therefore many of their fc are slow.
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