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Sard Caid
Profile Joined February 2011
124 Posts
April 25 2011 01:55 GMT
#9961
you get about that much optimal on a Rokh, not a torp raven. He was talking about different caldari BS.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
April 25 2011 02:05 GMT
#9962
we have to troll deeper
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
April 25 2011 02:10 GMT
#9963
Vil speaks the truth, Amarr is horrible. Just look at that scorch ammo. 800 dps at "optimal" with only a +/- 13km fall off on the hellcat baddon. What are you going to do when something burns pass that? We all know fleet fights lag too much to change crystals so real dps is 0. *nods nods*
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
April 25 2011 02:19 GMT
#9964
I've decided to try my hand at abit of Planetary Interaction on my alt, just to explore a bit more of the game whilst I can't pvp for a few days. I have no idea at all what i'm doing, but i think i'm currently making water
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 03:02:29
April 25 2011 03:01 GMT
#9965
On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:
On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:


Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)

(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.)


Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have.
Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do.

But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself.


For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much.

P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr


AHAHAHAHHA God I lvoe you, you just managed to troll 90% on the people reading this topic without them even noticing.

Personnaly you lost me at the 7k optimal beagles, but the fuck amarr was a dead giveaway.
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
April 25 2011 03:03 GMT
#9966
On April 25 2011 12:01 TurpinOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:
On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:


Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)

(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.)


Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have.
Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do.

But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself.


For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much.

P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr


AHAHAHAHHA God I lvoe you, you just managed to troll everyone in their forums withotu them even knowing they were getting trolled.

Personnaly you lost me at the 7k optimal beagles, but the fuck amarr was a dead giveaway.


Don't lump me in with YOU all. I believe Scarf and Vil know what they talking about tyvm. Caldari BS 4 lyfe.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 03:18:32
April 25 2011 03:18 GMT
#9967
Ehh...anyone got any opinions on the shield hyperion (TE style, not full gank)?

Better tracking than lazer boats and decent damage w/ null out to 30km, if my memory serves me correctly.

Now, the full gank is just pure manlyness (XL shield booster + magstabs all the way) but its mostly restricted to station gank roles.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19252 Posts
April 25 2011 03:51 GMT
#9968
michael, killing newneuts at this point only counts as spamming the killboard :|
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 04:11:32
April 25 2011 04:05 GMT
#9969


I filed a petition, since he is probably some sort of bot
Sard Caid
Profile Joined February 2011
124 Posts
April 25 2011 04:11 GMT
#9970
On April 25 2011 12:51 tofucake wrote:
michael, killing newneuts at this point only counts as spamming the killboard :|


Y'all should really just disable shuttles/noobships/pods from your killboard main page.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
April 25 2011 04:11 GMT
#9971
We want pods there tbh
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 06:01:34
April 25 2011 05:04 GMT
#9972
We were having thrasher fights in odde (which I won btw, thanks to dual ECM thrasher), when one of the pilots watching decided to agress me. My align point was isto gate, so I just hit warp. When I landed there, there was a war target!

Fortunately, I was in a thrasher, and he was in a pod.

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9514205
----------------------

I just failbombed eve uni. I chased down their tristan gang, and got only 1 kill, because I approached gate too quickly, and my smartbombs shut off. I jumped out in 2% hull, because I forgot to kill my ECM burst at the same time the smartbombs went off, so I was sitting on the gate aggressed while 20something frigates pounded me. I could have easily gotten another round of smartbombs, which likely would have killed a large number of them, and gotten out at the same time I did, but it was my first time smartbombing a gate, and the incoming dps made me panic and burn back.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 07:07:47
April 25 2011 07:04 GMT
#9973
So I was sitting at a 200km safe off Bosena gate in Oddel watching for movement of a recent target. A neutral Cynabal jumps into Oddel and just sits there oddly. After a few seconds, it starts burning straight towards me (I'm in a Rifter). KwarK, Karah, and Michael are all fleeted up with me, and KwarK is smelling blood and tells me to go for the scram on the Cynabal as soon as it's within range.

Luckily the Cynabal didn't score any initial hits on me before I closed on him, but I knew the drone death was coming. I called that I would have to warp out soon, but KwarK told me that the opportunity for the kill was well worth the suicide (no one else had scram fitted).

I generally last between 6 and 10 seconds against Warrior II's when they finally hit the field, and I couldn't just rely on killing them off, because the Cynabal has a big drone bay. Because I was just delaying for time and trying to hold scram for as long as possible, I burned the MWD along with the point - manually kiting the best I could while staying within ~7km for scram.

Usually this is a bad idea in normal engagements because being on MWD makes it tougher to align out when you get low on shields (the time you usually want to align out as a MSE Rifter). In addition, it makes it easier for stuff on the fringes of the battle to hit you when you least want to be hit and are most likely to be targeted. But in this case it didn't matter because I wasn't planning on leaving.

So instead of lasting 6-10 seconds, I lasted well over a minute and actually didn't even go below 50% shields before the Cynabal popped. Suck on that, Warrior II's.

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9513114

Speed tank best tank.
pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
April 25 2011 07:19 GMT
#9974
On April 25 2011 16:04 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
So I was sitting at a 200km safe off Bosena gate in Oddel watching for movement of a recent target. A neutral Cynabal jumps into Oddel and just sits there oddly. After a few seconds, it starts burning straight towards me (I'm in a Rifter). KwarK, Karah, and Michael are all fleeted up with me, and KwarK is smelling blood and tells me to go for the scram on the Cynabal as soon as it's within range.

Luckily the Cynabal didn't score any initial hits on me before I closed on him, but I knew the drone death was coming. I called that I would have to warp out soon, but KwarK told me that the opportunity for the kill was well worth the suicide (no one else had scram fitted).

I generally last between 6 and 10 seconds against Warrior II's when they finally hit the field, and I couldn't just rely on killing them off, because the Cynabal has a big drone bay. Because I was just delaying for time and trying to hold scram for as long as possible, I burned the MWD along with the point - manually kiting the best I could while staying within ~7km for scram.

Usually this is a bad idea in normal engagements because being on MWD makes it tougher to align out when you get low on shields (the time you usually want to align out as a MSE Rifter). In addition, it makes it easier for stuff on the fringes of the battle to hit you when you least want to be hit and are most likely to be targeted. But in this case it didn't matter because I wasn't planning on leaving.

So instead of lasting 6-10 seconds, I lasted well over a minute and actually didn't even go below 50% shields before the Cynabal popped. Suck on that, Warrior II's.

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9513114

Speed tank best tank.


I guess the neut on the cynabal was just for show. Tisk tisk.
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
April 25 2011 07:43 GMT
#9975
On April 25 2011 16:19 pahndah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 16:04 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
So I was sitting at a 200km safe off Bosena gate in Oddel watching for movement of a recent target. A neutral Cynabal jumps into Oddel and just sits there oddly. After a few seconds, it starts burning straight towards me (I'm in a Rifter). KwarK, Karah, and Michael are all fleeted up with me, and KwarK is smelling blood and tells me to go for the scram on the Cynabal as soon as it's within range.

Luckily the Cynabal didn't score any initial hits on me before I closed on him, but I knew the drone death was coming. I called that I would have to warp out soon, but KwarK told me that the opportunity for the kill was well worth the suicide (no one else had scram fitted).

I generally last between 6 and 10 seconds against Warrior II's when they finally hit the field, and I couldn't just rely on killing them off, because the Cynabal has a big drone bay. Because I was just delaying for time and trying to hold scram for as long as possible, I burned the MWD along with the point - manually kiting the best I could while staying within ~7km for scram.

Usually this is a bad idea in normal engagements because being on MWD makes it tougher to align out when you get low on shields (the time you usually want to align out as a MSE Rifter). In addition, it makes it easier for stuff on the fringes of the battle to hit you when you least want to be hit and are most likely to be targeted. But in this case it didn't matter because I wasn't planning on leaving.

So instead of lasting 6-10 seconds, I lasted well over a minute and actually didn't even go below 50% shields before the Cynabal popped. Suck on that, Warrior II's.

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9513114

Speed tank best tank.


I guess the neut on the cynabal was just for show. Tisk tisk.


Yeah it was just for show the instant we had a double neut cane on him.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 08:53:53
April 25 2011 08:17 GMT
#9976
I found that my rifter with nav 5 accel 4 + hyperlink and 2 odi's with no other speed mods could easily kite warriors while orbiting a vaga at 500 with mwd perma running (without heat). Just a point of reference.
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psycroptic
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada115 Posts
April 25 2011 08:27 GMT
#9977
On April 25 2011 14:04 DiracMonopole wrote:
We were having thrasher fights in odde (which I won btw, thanks to dual ECM thrasher)...

rigs = cheating

else i woulda won pretty seriously, cant handle my 10mn ab
cene
Profile Joined April 2011
South Africa5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 11:15:54
April 25 2011 11:15 GMT
#9978
Been lurking for a few months on the tl site, as well as the EVE thread.
I have also been trying to stumble through EVE by myself for the last month.

My intention was to get to where I could contribute to a corporation before I join.

Just got raped by someone in the hachery (he didnt pod me when I said fan of TL at least :D)
Needless to say that was not the first time I have been raped, and being on my lonesome its quite a knock to my .... financial situation.

Pretty long story short.
I will get in contact with the TL person that raped me, and see whether I can join.
Thought I'd show my "face" here first.
Cape Town, South Africa
bN`
Profile Joined May 2009
Slovenia504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 12:08:28
April 25 2011 11:47 GMT
#9979
On April 25 2011 10:51 Sard Caid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:
On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:
On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:


Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)

(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.)


Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have.
Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do.

But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself.


For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much.

P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr


Torps aren't that fantastic, especially if you don't have a lot of tackle on a target. From my experience, webs are more important than target painters - an Armageddon going full velocity, no speed mods, triple trimarked receives 50% of DPS versus non moving. It's such a big if to have your target moving or not that its honestly not worth flying them if you have a turret ship available.

Other problems - if you want a good tank, then you forgo tackle or even a speed boost module. They're very slow in speed and alignment. Torps only hit out to 30km with a maxed skilled Raven - this sounds AWESOME for short range ammo, however other weapon systems (projectiles, lasers) hit out well beyond that, which is often very important when targets are trying to escape or kite.

I suggest you jump on sisi and actually shoot some ships with torps under varying circumstances, or if you don't have the skill points use the DPS graph on EFT, putting in smaller ships, or moving ships, so on. These would give you a better idea of what that "1700 DPS" actually means.

I do think tachyon Abaddons look pretty good, though god forbid if something gets within 15km and starts orbiting. Definitely more of a medium or greater sized gang ship, or a pretty niche small gang ship.


I agree that a combo of webs and target painters is best for missile boats. However if you actually look at the missile damage formula you'll notice that unless your target has higher sig than your missile have explosion radius you'll never do full damage even if the target is sitting still.

And if the target is moving then painting it increases the speed your target needs to go for missiles to actually do less damage. Therefore one could argue that painters are more useful, but a max skilled painter only adds 37.5% sig while a t2 web reduces speed by 60% and it's a bit foolish to assume your target isn't gonna move in a fight I'd suggest a combo plate of either 2xtp 1xweb or 2xweb 1xtp(more webs for smaller targets and more tps for more battleships so you can use rage torps on them) and you'll be up at BAM 1700 dps in no time.

As for the tachyon abaddons part I think you're understating how amazing beam lasers actually are. Sure the tracking is kinda bad but the sheer destructive power is mindblowing compared to pulses, which quite frankly suck balls

Edit: spellingo
Edit2: I totally forgot to clarify - The phrase "1700 DPS" actually means "1700(pretty sure 1700 is a number) DamagePerSecond"
"It's just a ride." - Bill Hicks
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3373 Posts
April 25 2011 12:19 GMT
#9980
Can I kill that Newneuts guy next, looks like a wonderful time.

Also, I bought a bunch of random electronic warfare drones, target painter and neut drones away!
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
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