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Lalalaland34499 Posts
Some brand new neutral alt that keeps sitting on random lowsec gates and we haven't quite gotten bored of killing him yet.
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Hey, we gotta make that 12 billion ISK mark somehow...
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On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr
I've been thinking a lot about Amarr ships and fits lately and unless I'm missing something they are looking like the most OP race atm. They've always had the best Tech II lineup while having lackluster Tech I but recent fit's have made Amarr BC's and BS's shine.
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On April 25 2011 09:15 Warri wrote:
And it doesnt come to your mind that things could have changed and make your opinion/experience useless?
Yeah, it does, which is why I don't say that anything should be taken as gospel. Although I don't think the attitude towards vent and scouts and so on have changed significantly. Last time I played, There were scouts in every 2 systems adjacent to ours.
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On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr
BAM EASY 1700dps on a notmoving titan while having 10k ehp. Lets not get started on how shit rokhs are, why would you ever get scrammed by one unless you want to?
OH shit 7km optimal, damn man thats pretty far. And with those 100dps with antimatter, damn m8 thats op.
160k ehp? you sure its not something like 220k+, while having insane resists so its not pure buffer, but actually very much profits from guardian support?
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Wow, someone doesn't think outside of the box much. No discophoons for this one!
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160k ehp is the triple plate early stage Hellcat fit. We've moved onto the hardener variant which only runs about 140k ehp before bonuses.
Also I agree that the scouting for dummies I wrote up is old and possibly outdated? (still not sure what's outdated about it) and very general. Perhaps you can be more specific Snack about your grievances?
I don't know about you and who you fly with, but covert ops make horrible scouts for a roaming fleet. You uncloak in his face, wait 5 seconds, maybe 3.4? or so with sebo and rigs and hope he isn't prealigned before you lock him sounds like a good idea, as opposed to just landing on him and tackling him in a dram? I don't know about you, but I've scouted numerous times and the 2 times I've died is because I screwed up because that's how OP the dram is. Scouts rarely die unless their fc tells you to point something you shouldn't, or you're too busy trying to km whore (okay kizu go get that vaga w/the drake by it, thx revo =_=;; .
Also covert ops are expensive ships, and yet you say not to use one for scouting?
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Titans shouldn't have hardpoints, just like a total size limit for turrets/launchers. So you could have like, 500 small pulse lasers or something.
Oh the things I come up with.
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Lalalaland34499 Posts
On April 25 2011 09:32 Arhkangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr I've been thinking a lot about Amarr ships and fits lately and unless I'm missing something they are looking like the most OP race atm. They've always had the best Tech II lineup while having lackluster Tech I but recent fit's have made Amarr BC's and BS's shine.
Yes totally we should start nanoing amarr ships 
Because everything anyone says in this thread is FOR THE HATCHURY right?
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On April 25 2011 10:06 Body_Shield wrote:
Titans shouldn't have hardpoints, just like a total size limit for turrets/launchers. So you could have like, 500 small pulse lasers or something.
Oh the things I come up with.
They should also remove the target lock limit so that the Avatar can provide a TRUE disco light show in the middle of a large fleet fight. Please implement this CCP.
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On April 25 2011 09:45 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr BAM EASY 1700dps on a notmoving titan while having 10k ehp. Lets not get started on how shit rokhs are, why would you ever get scrammed by one unless you want to? OH shit 7km optimal, damn man thats pretty far. And with those 100dps with antimatter, damn m8 thats op. 160k ehp? you sure its not something like 220k+, while having insane resists so its not pure buffer, but actually very much profits from guardian support?
not sure if srs
They've always had the best Tech II lineup while having lackluster Tech I but recent fit's have made Amarr BC's and BS's shine.
well their bs have been by far the best for most things for the last 3 years, only things that suck are their t1 bcs and cruisers.
PS: Jesus christ snackbar, what the fuck. What year is it where you play eve? Also loved the "I was in GH-SC and am now in BDVI, therefore i am better than you" bit.
PPS: Whats up with old GH-SC guys showing up on TL and their public eve channels ever since their creation and announcing to the world I AM GH-SC, like its something to brag about. It pulled off one good heist many years ago and nobody cares, get over yourself, even if you had anything to do with it, which i doubt.
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On April 25 2011 10:18 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:45 Warri wrote:On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr BAM EASY 1700dps on a notmoving titan while having 10k ehp. Lets not get started on how shit rokhs are, why would you ever get scrammed by one unless you want to? OH shit 7km optimal, damn man thats pretty far. And with those 100dps with antimatter, damn m8 thats op. 160k ehp? you sure its not something like 220k+, while having insane resists so its not pure buffer, but actually very much profits from guardian support? not sure if srs
Srs with a few drops of exaggeration
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United States43433 Posts
On April 25 2011 10:18 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:45 Warri wrote:On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr BAM EASY 1700dps on a notmoving titan while having 10k ehp. Lets not get started on how shit rokhs are, why would you ever get scrammed by one unless you want to? OH shit 7km optimal, damn man thats pretty far. And with those 100dps with antimatter, damn m8 thats op. 160k ehp? you sure its not something like 220k+, while having insane resists so its not pure buffer, but actually very much profits from guardian support? not sure if srs Show nested quote +They've always had the best Tech II lineup while having lackluster Tech I but recent fit's have made Amarr BC's and BS's shine. well their bs have been by far the best for most things for the last 3 years, only things that suck are their t1 bcs and cruisers. PS: Jesus christ snackbar, what the fuck.
Baddon bad, rokh good, confirm/deny?
Hatchery needs more widows.
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On April 25 2011 09:39 Snackbar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:15 Warri wrote:
And it doesnt come to your mind that things could have changed and make your opinion/experience useless? Yeah, it does, which is why I don't say that anything should be taken as gospel. Although I don't think the attitude towards vent and scouts and so on have changed significantly. Last time I played, There were scouts in every 2 systems adjacent to ours.
Nullsec experience doesn't translate well to lowsec: the most you'll get out of flying with a large alliance in null is the ability to follow orders, or perhaps FC. Once you're thrown into a small gang environment, it becomes vastly more important to be able to make decisions about the gang, alert the FC of important events, make snap judgements for your own ship to best serve the gang.
Example: you spot an enemy frigate zooming at a friendly BC during a nano engagement, obviously attempting tackle for the rest its fleet to capitalize on. You swap your drones & turrets to the tackler to force it away from the friendly BC rather than following primaries.
Example 2: During a heated engagement where the FC is calling a constant stream of primaries, he doesn't notice a high priority support ship decloaking, such as a Falcon. You're pretty close to being in turret range. Instead of following primaries, you approach the falcon, set drones and DPS on it, forcing it off the field and saving your fleet from 3-5 permajams.
Also given that most of 9POOL are new players, they don't really have the weight of alts to have eyes in every system as you described. However having so many new members means you tend to have someone somewhere doing something that results in similar level of intel.
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On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr
Raven with bcus, painters AND webs? Glass cannon will die in no time.
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im still not sure if im getting metatrolled or are people really falling for that one.
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On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr
Torps aren't that fantastic, especially if you don't have a lot of tackle on a target. From my experience, webs are more important than target painters - an Armageddon going full velocity, no speed mods, triple trimarked receives 50% of DPS versus non moving. It's such a big if to have your target moving or not that its honestly not worth flying them if you have a turret ship available.
Other problems - if you want a good tank, then you forgo tackle or even a speed boost module. They're very slow in speed and alignment. Torps only hit out to 30km with a maxed skilled Raven - this sounds AWESOME for short range ammo, however other weapon systems (projectiles, lasers) hit out well beyond that, which is often very important when targets are trying to escape or kite.
I suggest you jump on sisi and actually shoot some ships with torps under varying circumstances, or if you don't have the skill points use the DPS graph on EFT, putting in smaller ships, or moving ships, so on. These would give you a better idea of what that "1700 DPS" actually means.
I do think tachyon Abaddons look pretty good, though god forbid if something gets within 15km and starts orbiting. Definitely more of a medium or greater sized gang ship, or a pretty niche small gang ship.
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On April 25 2011 10:45 Deja Thoris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr Raven with bcus, painters AND webs? Glass cannon will die in no time.
My CEO speaks!
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definitely getting metatrolled.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On April 25 2011 10:51 Sard Caid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 09:17 bN` wrote:On April 25 2011 06:26 Snackbar wrote:On April 25 2011 03:50 TurpinOS wrote:
Im not a gallente hater, and I know blasters CAN get out a lot of dps, but really theyre quite subpar if you compare them to most other ships (or to ships flown by idiots that dont know you shouldnt stay on 0 of a blaster boat)
(also I lold at training scorpion and widow, ur funneh, caldari bs very useful skill toi have, I guess you also love falcunz.) Wololo, ever heard about beagles? And yeah, Caldari bs is a very useful skill toi have. Beagles usually don't have a range of 0, but I don't know, I'm no expert! I've just been flying around with DNA alot. But yeah. Caldari battleships are rape, if you actually know how to use them properly, which not a lot of people do. But the thing is, if you are jumped by a Thorax, it WILL (most likely) MWD towards you at about 1.6k and then point/web you, so you don't really have much of a choice unless you are in something smaller. And have a scram/web yourself. For the first time in a long time i have to agree with someone. Caldari battleships are the shit man. You put some torps, some tps, some webs and 5bcus on a raven, mix in some drones - BAM - easy 1700 dps. Lets not get started on how op rohks are. You get scramed by one of those you're pretty much dead. And Beagles are so underrated with antimatter you get up to 7km optimal with blasters, if that doesn't float your boat you're just asking for too much. P.S.: Hellcat abadons do 800dps at 40km while having 160k ehp. fuck amarr Torps aren't that fantastic, especially if you don't have a lot of tackle on a target. From my experience, webs are more important than target painters - an Armageddon going full velocity, no speed mods, triple trimarked receives 50% of DPS versus non moving. It's such a big if to have your target moving or not that its honestly not worth flying them if you have a turret ship available. Other problems - if you want a good tank, then you forgo tackle or even a speed boost module. They're very slow in speed and alignment. Torps only hit out to 30km with a maxed skilled Raven - this sounds AWESOME for short range ammo, however other weapon systems (projectiles, lasers) hit out well beyond that, which is often very important when targets are trying to escape or kite. I suggest you jump on sisi and actually shoot some ships with torps under varying circumstances, or if you don't have the skill points use the DPS graph on EFT, putting in smaller ships, or moving ships, so on. These would give you a better idea of what that "1700 DPS" actually means. I do think tachyon Abaddons look pretty good, though god forbid if something gets within 15km and starts orbiting. Definitely more of a medium or greater sized gang ship, or a pretty niche small gang ship.
I think you got trolled, sir. The '7 km optimal' part should have been a dead giveaway. Also, everyone knows the real Caldari torp boat is the neut-rokh (which is actually surprisingly not that bad...if you don't have Minmatar BS V).
gg wp, bN'
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