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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On April 21 2011 08:41 KwarK wrote:http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=94499373 drake, cane, devoter and oynx gatecamping in odde. We lost nejota's cane to it before we got a fleet up which sucked, was a 6v1 and it happens but unfortunately it's on the battle report. Anyway, we got a fleet up, 3 drakes, 2 canes and 2 rifters. So, that's 1 cane and 2 rifter (value 65m) against devoter + onyx (value 440m). So, while I wouldn't say that they outnumbered us their fleet was worth twice ours. Anyway, to the engagement. We got a fleet up and I warped to the gate at 30 to start shit. I was nanoing about and they seemed unwilling to really go for me. The onyx made a few abortive runs but his fleet were hugging the gate at 0. This was a problem because if we flew our standard longpoint style then it'd tank us for a while and then mwd back and jump. The only ship they were willing to commit was a ship we couldn't gank while nanoing. Eventually I was able to coax him a good 50k from his friends where he was still feeling cocky having taken next to no damage from my drake. Suddenly my fleet appeared and we sat at 20k from him smashing him while a rifter (good luck killing that with drakes + onyx) scrammed him. They were forced to come straight at us. The guy taking the lead was a cane so I promptly sent the second scram rifter to go intercept him while I called an overheat on the onyx, bringing him down (and thus restoring mobility to the fleet) right before they hit us. 240m to nothing. At this point I burned out my guns because I'm bad so I called the cane secondary and handed the reigns to Cael to FC. Jed died was traded for the cane while they tried to primary Cael down but they had no fast ships. I got back in to take over as Cael warped out and we finished off a drake. They now had just the drakes and a devoter and one drake was about to drop while we were fully mobile in space. We kept primaried down another drake leaving both remaining targets dead in the water 30k off gate. Our fleet was able to quickly clean them up. Total value of their fleet: 680m of which 680m was destroyed Total value of our fleet: 310m of which 0.5m was destroyed. Total value of loot and salvage: 100m To sum up, sup?!?!?
I see nothing wrong with a 2:1 BC:hictor composition. I used this composition in my fleets all the time. I mean, what if you run into a fleet of warp-stabbed ravens. What then?
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Nice work.
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Kwark is on this huge efficiency kick, in that anyone seen flying a ship worth more than 50mil are idiots.
I have to admit the loki boosted nano fleets are getting shit done, surprised you're able to use riffies so effectively in fights. Its always been a challenge in my fleets to find engagements where frigs can engage on gates/stations
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On April 21 2011 10:00 Sard Caid wrote:
Kwark is on this huge efficiency kick, in that anyone seen flying a ship worth more than 50mil are idiots.
I have to admit the loki boosted nano fleets are getting shit done, surprised you're able to use riffies so effectively in fights. Its always been a challenge in my fleets to find engagements where frigs can engage on gates/stations
Rifters are only really useful when fighting pirates, except for that their use is limited to :
Kwark : ''oh fuck I fucked up again and rammed into a ship with my snaked nanodrake I need a rifter to suicide under gateguns so I can geet out alive''
as for the efficiency thing, im not one to care too much about efficiency, but lets just state for the fact that if they had two bcs instead of those hictors in that situation they would have probably done better (aka still shit) for less pricey.
I dont mind dropping some isk on shit when its worth it (or alternatively, fun) (cynabeeeeeeeel), but there are some things I have trouble justifying. (1 heavy dictor in lowsec to me should be the max (well with that size of gang))
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United States43468 Posts
On April 21 2011 10:00 Sard Caid wrote:
Kwark is on this huge efficiency kick, in that anyone seen flying a ship worth more than 50mil are idiots.
I have to admit the loki boosted nano fleets are getting shit done, surprised you're able to use riffies so effectively in fights. Its always been a challenge in my fleets to find engagements where frigs can engage on gates/stations
If people are already taking guns they can last for a few seconds and if not you can still scram and run. I use them routinely vs neutral vagas when I have a linked nanocane with neuts chasing them. Sometimes a single scram cycle is all you need and having a few around as a tactical reserve gives you huge flexibility.
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guys dont put bookmarks into the rifter hangar, it makes it very slowly, and the bookmarks get useless after a day anyway.
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can we have a bookmark hangar then?
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On April 21 2011 02:33 Sard Caid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 01:56 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 20 2011 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
We use freighters for tackle? News to me.
Cool. We have actually used freighters for scouting and bumping before. Hi Mumbles! Glad to have you contributing to the discussion again. Freighters are actually terrible for bumping, as even with their large mass, they don't go too fast. They can be very amusing for bait, but why not just use an Orca which is a lot cheaper and can actually fit a tank! Also, we've never done anything you just stated, as honestly I have no clue who you are in game! Best wishes, Sardy
I LOL'd.
When I said 'we' I was referring to my own posse, not you guys. I would think that was apparent.
The freighters just happened to be right there, obviously anything would be better, but it does actually work for scouting and sometimes even for bumps if you are really patient and the target is a dipwad.
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On April 21 2011 11:44 Mumbleskates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 02:33 Sard Caid wrote:On April 21 2011 01:56 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 20 2011 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
We use freighters for tackle? News to me.
Cool. We have actually used freighters for scouting and bumping before. Hi Mumbles! Glad to have you contributing to the discussion again. Freighters are actually terrible for bumping, as even with their large mass, they don't go too fast. They can be very amusing for bait, but why not just use an Orca which is a lot cheaper and can actually fit a tank! Also, we've never done anything you just stated, as honestly I have no clue who you are in game! Best wishes, Sardy I LOL'd. When I said 'we' I was referring to my own posse, not you guys. I would think that was apparent. The freighters just happened to be right there, obviously anything would be better, but it does actually work for scouting and sometimes even for bumps if you are really patient and the target is a dipwad.
Hey Mumbles! Sard here.
Your use of we is not obvious to the reader, as you've used it in reference to the TL community in EVE, and just now to your "mates" in game. So forgive me for misinterpreting!
Regarding freighters, it really doesn't matter if the target is a dimwit or not, because those giant haulers just can haul enough ass to bump them without a prop mod! Maybe you can link an engagement where you used one to prove your point, or even a forum post where someone else backs up your argument. Otherwise, I won't believe a word you're writing!
xoxo,
Sardy
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On April 21 2011 11:44 Mumbleskates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 02:33 Sard Caid wrote:On April 21 2011 01:56 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 20 2011 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
We use freighters for tackle? News to me.
Cool. We have actually used freighters for scouting and bumping before. Hi Mumbles! Glad to have you contributing to the discussion again. Freighters are actually terrible for bumping, as even with their large mass, they don't go too fast. They can be very amusing for bait, but why not just use an Orca which is a lot cheaper and can actually fit a tank! Also, we've never done anything you just stated, as honestly I have no clue who you are in game! Best wishes, Sardy I LOL'd. When I said 'we' I was referring to my own posse, not you guys. I would think that was apparent. The freighters just happened to be right there, obviously anything would be better, but it does actually work for scouting and sometimes even for bumps if you are really patient and the target is a dipwad.
''it does actually work for scouting''
''it does actually work for bumping''
Yeah, just like you can use an officer fit exqueror for scouting, but that doesnt make it any more intelligent and just like you can use a Titan for bumping.
I mean, its really really really cool that you used freighters for bumping and scouting
+ Show Spoiler + but I fail to see what good that facts bring to the conversation + Show Spoiler +except that ''you'' (you being used as the ''we'' that you used, and not your direct person) are very weird individuals (''hey i heard it works but even if its obvious that its horribly bad and we could just use something more effective lets do it'')
Also Sard I love you
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On April 21 2011 12:10 TurpinOS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2011 11:44 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 21 2011 02:33 Sard Caid wrote:On April 21 2011 01:56 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 20 2011 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
We use freighters for tackle? News to me.
Cool. We have actually used freighters for scouting and bumping before. Hi Mumbles! Glad to have you contributing to the discussion again. Freighters are actually terrible for bumping, as even with their large mass, they don't go too fast. They can be very amusing for bait, but why not just use an Orca which is a lot cheaper and can actually fit a tank! Also, we've never done anything you just stated, as honestly I have no clue who you are in game! Best wishes, Sardy I LOL'd. When I said 'we' I was referring to my own posse, not you guys. I would think that was apparent. The freighters just happened to be right there, obviously anything would be better, but it does actually work for scouting and sometimes even for bumps if you are really patient and the target is a dipwad. ''it does actually work for scouting'' ''it does actually work for scouting'' Yeah, just like you can use an officer fit exqueror for scouting, but that doesnt make it any more intelligent and just like you can use a Titan for bumping. I mean, its really really really cool that you used freighters for bumping and scouting + Show Spoiler + but I fail to see what good that facts bring to the conversation + Show Spoiler +except that ''you'' (you being used as the ''we'' that you used, and not your direct person) are very weird individuals (''hey i heard it works but even if its obvious that its horribly bad and we could just use something more effective lets do it'') Also Sard I love you
Of course you love him, he's being sarcastic and BM.
I was just stating a funny fact. It doesn't accomplish anything trying to provide ironclad proof of something that I only stated because it was amusing, and topic related. There were neutral freighters nearby and we needed eyes; it doesn't prove anything either way.
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Im pretty sure mumbles is referring to hisec, where a neuteral freighter can infact be used as scout and in very rare cases might be a bump ship if you have nothing else. Im pretty sure theres a noctis kill somewhere that was taken down by noobships so its not that much of a stretch to think a freighter might be used to bump (specifically to undock and immediately bump a ship sitting at 0 on a station.)
Caelum and Sard are most likely referring to lowsec, where you would have to be rather insane to bring a freighter without proper scouting and perferrably a support fleet to protect it. Ofcourse if I happen to be wrong on any of this feel free to correct me, or just try to bump one of our (and im using 'our' to refer to the hatchery) ships outside of the top station in oddelulf. I would love to see if it would actually work.
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These last 10 pages are enough to make me want to extert :effort: to rebuild Liquid Corp.
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Just spent the last hour or so skirmishing with an IVY gang: round one had us killing their initial tackle Brutix, then missing volleys (ie shooting plated cruisers instead of squishy support) to take out cruisers as they jumped through and began fleeing. Soon after this spat with IVY we had a small group of ANZAC hanging out on the Gelf gate in Atlar, netting another BC kill. Afterwords we lost about half our firepower to folks logging off when IVY began appearing in Bosena again.
A Rapier of theirs had warped to the Heild gate only to cloak, fortunately with a friendly cane with eyes on it who managed to catch where the recon was in space and line up a decloak. What our cane didn't anticipate was the 9POOL Griffin that came through from Heild not getting volleyed and perma-jamming the cane, pretty much just as it plowed into the Rapier, decloaking it. The Recon warped off without a scratch.
After this a few minutes pass, and an IVY drake starts shooting my pest. The blob comes in, however its all anti-nano with a strong tackle element of HACs and inties supplemented with 4 bbs. Without sebos I can't lock their support before I have to warp off with tackle chasing me off, and after finally refitting with sebos they head away into Heild and down the pipe.
Really wish MH wasn't so damn dead in late US TZ; kinda makes me regret DR/EXEC leaving for nullsec.
ED: anzac still in MH, but I haven't seen them in space much at all.
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On April 21 2011 12:59 Viceorvirtue wrote:
Im pretty sure mumbles is referring to hisec, where a neuteral freighter can infact be used as scout and in very rare cases might be a bump ship if you have nothing else. Im pretty sure theres a noctis kill somewhere that was taken down by noobships so its not that much of a stretch to think a freighter might be used to bump (specifically to undock and immediately bump a ship sitting at 0 on a station.)
Caelum and Sard are most likely referring to lowsec, where you would have to be rather insane to bring a freighter without proper scouting and perferrably a support fleet to protect it. Ofcourse if I happen to be wrong on any of this feel free to correct me, or just try to bump one of our (and im using 'our' to refer to the hatchery) ships outside of the top station in oddelulf. I would love to see if it would actually work.
Obviously you wouldn't use a freighter to scout in lowsec. Yes, I did mean hisec.
There's a video out there on youtube of a Rokh dying to noobships, I remember I saw it a long time ago. I forget who did it.
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There was a myrm on scan, so I chased it around for a while, then it agressed me on station. I burnt off, killing drones, and then local spiked with drake, harb, rook, ares, cyclone. Sard tried to get me to fight them, promising that he could jam them all but the harb, but I decided against it. Im pretty sure he just wanted to get me killed for jamming DP earlier (so bm).
After they left, I found a mastodon on scan. Sard got into a sniping pest, and I switched to a sebo armorcane, and the two of us, plus DefMatrix and Tassadar in rifters started chasing it. They finally got it at a gate, where sard got 2 shots into it while the rifters bump-tackled it. I jumped through just as it warped off, and Sard called out that it went to the customs office at p7. We all land, get 3 scrams on it, and kill it. Got the pod too for good measure.
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9452210
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On April 21 2011 12:59 Viceorvirtue wrote:
Im pretty sure mumbles is referring to hisec, where a neuteral freighter can infact be used as scout
So can a neutral anything else though
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On April 21 2011 15:28 DiracMonopole wrote:There was a myrm on scan, so I chased it around for a while, then it agressed me on station. I burnt off, killing drones, and then local spiked with drake, harb, rook, ares, cyclone. Sard tried to get me to fight them, promising that he could jam them all but the harb, but I decided against it. Im pretty sure he just wanted to get me killed for jamming DP earlier (so bm). After they left, I found a mastodon on scan. Sard got into a sniping pest, and I switched to a sebo armorcane, and the two of us, plus DefMatrix and Tassadar in rifters started chasing it. They finally got it at a gate, where sard got 2 shots into it while the rifters bump-tackled it. I jumped through just as it warped off, and Sard called out that it went to the customs office at p7. We all land, get 3 scrams on it, and kill it. Got the pod too for good measure. http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9452210
Ok DiracMonopole wasn't there for this part.
We were sitting on the gate waiting for Mastodon to jump back through. I figured since it was so dead (pretty early in the morning EST) and we were in a dead end system that I would just sit still at 0 on the gate with my MWD burning and hit the Mastodon as soon as he came in. The 10-15km would give me enough time to build up speed for a bump.
So the Mastodon jumps over and waits a few seconds before attempting to align. As soon as he comes out of cloak, I just Approach him like a pro since he is at a really good angle for me to hit. Tassadar wasn't so lucky because he was almost in the align path so he couldn't have gotten a good hit from that angle.
I slam into the Mastodon at near full speed with MWD on (so a slight bit extra mass) and get a fucking hero bump that gives Sard enough time for (I would guess) 2 more full volleys + Show Spoiler [ ] +but he still fails to kill it
The guy warps directly to the customs office and must think he's safe because he doesn't bother warping off elsewhere. We all land on top of him + Show Spoiler [ ] +and Sard misses him like 5x, but it's OK, E for effort
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Just had a lovely start to my EvE day. Decided i'd work up a few funds missioning over in Hedal.
Jumped in, few in local, fairly new guy so i wasn't too worried about him, a couple of carebears. As i jump back into Gonheim there's 3 Anzac guys happily waiting my arrival. Drake, Cane, Cynabal. Hold cloak for abit to check out positions and try and figure out how i'll play this. I start burning back towards gate and the drake agresses me, leaving the cane and cynabal free. I knew i was pretty much screwed at this time, as the cynabal would be able to catch me regardless of whether i tried to burn out on this side, or jump through and get out.
Anyway, I jump through hoping they mess up, The cane uncloaks about 7km away from me, and again it was pretty much over then. I tried to burn out before the cynabal would have a chance to catch me, and got 2km outside the Cane's point range.. only for the cynabal to get point on me a second or two before i managed to warp. The cane had been neuting me before this, and my cap was all but gone so there was not much I could do then.
In hindsight, I probably should have waited for the cane to aggress, and take my chances on the side where I actually had some cap to play around with. PvE fitted isn't great for this though!
Then, despite me spamming the warp button on a planet, They managed to point my pod. I have absoloutely no idea how, as it must've only been one/two seconds after my ship died. Anyway, they popped it but thankfully i had minimal implants in.
Not how I'd planned to start my day really.
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I'm thinking about getting back into this game, how different is it from like 3 years ago? I was a missile whore/ ceptor pilot in caldari ships..also I lost everything I had cept my ship as I dropped from the game as my 0.0 corp were moving and I now think they disappeared 
I had 10 mil SP I think, it worth me rebuying my character or making a new one?
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Lalalaland34500 Posts
What other pair of corps can claim to have this amazing relationship, all while at war with each other?
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