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On April 18 2011 08:52 Ramiel wrote:
For the loki guy- ya a loki will work. As people have pointed out the cloaking delay sucks, but a noctis is a slow slow thing, so no worries there. I think that it would be a nice boat to work with. The probing bonus can't hurt (but honestly a good hunter never uses them becuase it reveals your presence)
The main idea is that it's sometimes pretty important for getting from place to place. You're right that you wouldn't really use it much for combat, but then too it's a -100% cpu bonus so you can fit a combat probe launcher and do drop-scans for grav site fleets and stuff. I've done some of that recently myself.
On April 18 2011 13:08 Inzek wrote:
so sb cant use cov ops cloak? t3 can... (if true.. sb cant warp cloaked??)
sb has no delay after decloaking... t3 has 3 sec?
Covert ops cloaks give a 6 second targeting delay with cloaking 4, and 5 seconds with cloaking 5. Standard cloaks give 18 seconds with level 4 and 15 seconds with level 5. There is also a rig to improve this stat. Stealth bombers and Black Ops have a bonus that removes this delay completely from their covert and standard cloaks, respectively.
The way this works is, there's a Sensor Recalibration Time stat on cloaking devices. During this time you cannot lock anything after decloaking. Then, the Cloaking skill reduces this number by 10% per level: 60% at level 4, and halved at level 5. The Targeting Systems Stabilizer rig reduces this number by 10% per rig as well, and 15% if you get the T2 version.
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On April 18 2011 13:49 Ramiel wrote:Alright so i have some time on my hands, and i feel like writing down another lulzy kill that i had recently... So overall not the most profitable of nights... But i always love killing cocky intys and t1 frigs in my bomber  Till later TL- and if you ever want to come and join me, message me in game- or look for me in the SCBW channel. Fly safe
I once came damn close to killing a really shitty Megathron that had slowboated way out of a pos using only a lone Hound; unfortunately I didn't realize how incredible torpedoes are against mwding drones at the time, and didn't primary them until too late and had to warp out as my honour-tank was fading.
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On April 18 2011 13:08 Inzek wrote:
so sb cant use cov ops cloak? t3 can... (if true.. sb cant warp cloaked??)
sb has no delay after decloaking... t3 has 3 sec?
Only blops and sb have no delay, recons and t3s have delay with covops cloak.
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On April 18 2011 13:23 kef wrote:
Get used to it psycroptic, I had a similar instance with a certain person in corp being a dick to me and ending up being wrong. You'll be lucky if you get an apology in the end...
You'll notice we all give each other a lot of shit but we also troll the fuck out of each other. It's mostly banter and there is nothing stopping people giving back as much shit as they recieve (when VoV and I argue it lasts forever). The reason I don't generally apologise (you most likely mean me) is because I forget about it 5 minutes later and expect you to do the same. It's not personal, it's a reaction to whatever just happened and my focus will quickly shift from bitching about the last failure to the next kill.
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On April 18 2011 21:28 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 13:23 kef wrote:
Get used to it psycroptic, I had a similar instance with a certain person in corp being a dick to me and ending up being wrong. You'll be lucky if you get an apology in the end...
You'll notice we all give each other a lot of shit but we also troll the fuck out of each other. It's mostly banter and there is nothing stopping people giving back as much shit as they recieve (when VoV and I argue it lasts forever). The reason I don't generally apologise (you most likely mean me) is because I forget about it 5 minutes later and expect you to do the same. It's not personal, it's a reaction to whatever just happened and my focus will quickly shift from bitching about the last failure to the next kill.
So why do outsiders get banned when you disagree with them? I was reading back and saw some of what happened with Widdershins' posting here... from what I gather you are saying you are totally cool with this sort of thing, but you just straight up banned him for disagreeing and not being you.
Is there something I'm missing here?
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Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread.
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I should be able to start playing again soon....too many things happening with work...
But also Portal 2 so I dunno.......
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On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread.
If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing.
From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back?
And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE.
And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you.
Again, maybe I am missing something.
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On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something.
A Corp called 'Dark Horses.' war-decced us and we had a few scarse fights in the first few weeks. Then it descended into him leaving his corp, and re-joining when he had found one of our missioning ships in high-sec. His employment history throughout this time was ridiculous, but i'm sure someone will explain it better than me. I was very new at the time.
I guess we labeled it as Griefing, because unless we had people ready to go on a minutes notice throughout the day, there was absolutely fuck all we could do.
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Widdershins:
1. Make 1-2 alt corps - wardec your target with them, but dont join them
2. Yourself + your alt's + your mates apply too join, but you dont accept them
3. Find a PvE player missioning, probe him down, get your fleet in system. Accept them to the alt corp
4. Warp to the target, in warp session change them - the target is now a WT to them
5. kill it, dock, drop corp
Method b:
1. Undock command ship/pirate BS
2. WT undocks a BC, you undock your 3 neutral RR
3. If WT undocks 2 more BC or a BS, dock
(make sure your RR understands aggression mechanics, in the event of failure, make sure all your mates whore on your km)
edit: on a unrelated note, we're pretty bad, but i dont think we would ever manage this
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On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something.
He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced.
There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here.
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1
It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted.
Any questions?
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On April 18 2011 23:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something. He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced. There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted. Any questions?
ACTUALLY
widders only did that once. They war decced us with a ghost corp, waited 2 weeks in which we had never seen any one of them. They waited until one of our guys was missioning in a 2b cnr and then switched corp to kill it. Widders then never left the corp until war was over, but during that time 99% he was on a station at 0 with multiple neutral rr docked inside. And if they were afk he would simply dock up if a drake enters local.
Otocinclus on the other side..well look up his corp history...
Do i have to tell you that we are still (wardec came live on 1. march) at war with one of their ghost corps, with absolutely 0 combat action yet? Who knows when they will find a new valuable target to kill and join that ghost corp.
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On April 19 2011 00:15 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 23:42 KwarK wrote:On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something. He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced. There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted. Any questions? ACTUALLY widders only did that once. They war decced us with a ghost corp, waited 2 weeks in which we had never seen any one of them. They waited until one of our guys was missioning in a 2b cnr and then switched corp to kill it. Widders then never left the corp until war was over, but during that time 99% he was on a station at 0 with multiple neutral rr docked inside. And if they were afk he would simply dock up if a drake enters local. Otocinclus on the other side..well look up his corp history... Do i have to tell you that we are still (wardec came live on 1. march) at war with one of their ghost corps, with absolutely 0 combat action yet? Who knows when they will find a new valuable target to kill and join that ghost corp.
I believe he did it twice, once on Hyey's mackinaw and once on the golem, because we only had two ships to gank. Out of a total of two chances to pull the exploit he did it both times, after that there were no targets sufficiently good to justify it (vice noat dying to conventional methods around the same time).
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On April 19 2011 00:15 Warri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 23:42 KwarK wrote:On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something. He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced. There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted. Any questions? ACTUALLY widders only did that once. They war decced us with a ghost corp, waited 2 weeks in which we had never seen any one of them. They waited until one of our guys was missioning in a 2b cnr and then switched corp to kill it. Widders then never left the corp until war was over, but during that time 99% he was on a station at 0 with multiple neutral rr docked inside. And if they were afk he would simply dock up if a drake enters local. Otocinclus on the other side..well look up his corp history... Do i have to tell you that we are still (wardec came live on 1. march) at war with one of their ghost corps, with absolutely 0 combat action yet? Who knows when they will find a new valuable target to kill and join that ghost corp.
They'd have to come to lowsec first. I've only seen them in lowsec twice:
1. Back in Aral on that day we TORE APART the random other roaming fleet
2. When a few of us joined their fleet with some other MH pirates, listened to DH struggle to set up cap chains on the BLAAAHHHGHHORNS or whatever, and then we left fleet (not sure if we even saw them actually). Also their cap chained fleet got completely owned minutes later.
DH don't like lowsec because neutral RR aren't nearly as effective.
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On April 18 2011 23:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something. He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced. There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted. Any questions?
The way this becomes "legit" is when the exploiter waits down a session timer between accepting the application and pewing your ship. Even then, a friend of a friend who used to abuse this mechanic was temp banned after talking to a GM about what's legal and what's not.
Honestly if you get enough people petitioning, you'll probably see the exploiter temp banned for some duration.
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Hey what can safely run gate-to-gate as an outlaw in hi-sec? I heard pretty much all frigates, but what about a rupture? That's the only thing I can't seem to fit no matter what in my hoarder's cargo hold
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On April 19 2011 00:27 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 00:15 Warri wrote:On April 18 2011 23:42 KwarK wrote:On April 18 2011 22:37 Mumbleskates wrote:On April 18 2011 21:58 KwarK wrote:
Widders was a griefer who was actively abusing exploits in the game to kill hatchery members before joining tl and joined tl with absolutely no interest in either the site or starcraft. He was the very definition of a malicious user and is in no way comparable to a community member who joins because they want to be a part of the community and then finds the eve thread. If he was exploiting then why wasn't he banned from EVE? There are petitions for that sort of thing. From the combat records that I came across on killboards it just looks like he was killing your guys, yes, but unless he's using some kind of magical exploits that I've never heard of why couldn't you kill him back? And by the way, I don't know what you mean by "griefing," but in EVE when someone complains about griefers, 99% of the time they are just complaining that they are losing ships (i.e. "griefing" = PVP). Killing mining ships just because they are in lowsec is "griefing." Canflipping and then killing missioners when they shoot at you is "griefing." There are almost no things that you can do that, in my mind, genuinely count as real griefing in EVE. And you guys should be no strangers to this idea; you are constantly getting excited over finding missioners and killing them, and miners, and all this stuff. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you can see why that's fun, it's a shame you have to label someone as hateful and evil because they do the same thing to you. Again, maybe I am missing something. He did the apply to war dec corp, probe you down with an alt, warp into mission and only as he lands on you does he accept his own application and become a war target. It was petitioned and we got ships reimbursed but he wasn't banned because no company likes to ban its own customers if it can avoid it. The exploit is well known and poorly enforced. There's stuff wrong with it because it violates rules, see here. http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2317&tid=1It is not comparable to the stuff we do, we're not simply whining when someone tries to kill us. Perhaps the most accurate part of your post was your "maybe I am missing something" with which you recognised that your knowledge of the game was probably not up to scratch with mine when I made the post. I do actually know the difference between pvp and griefing, it's just that somehow you've never heard of this magical exploit. I'd be happy to teach you about this, and others, if you wanted. Any questions? ACTUALLY widders only did that once. They war decced us with a ghost corp, waited 2 weeks in which we had never seen any one of them. They waited until one of our guys was missioning in a 2b cnr and then switched corp to kill it. Widders then never left the corp until war was over, but during that time 99% he was on a station at 0 with multiple neutral rr docked inside. And if they were afk he would simply dock up if a drake enters local. Otocinclus on the other side..well look up his corp history... Do i have to tell you that we are still (wardec came live on 1. march) at war with one of their ghost corps, with absolutely 0 combat action yet? Who knows when they will find a new valuable target to kill and join that ghost corp. They'd have to come to lowsec first. I've only seen them in lowsec twice: 1. Back in Aral on that day we TORE APART the random other roaming fleet 2. When a few of us joined their fleet with some other MH pirates, listened to DH struggle to set up cap chains on the BLAAAHHHGHHORNS or whatever, and then we left fleet (not sure if we even saw them actually). Also their cap chained fleet got completely owned minutes later. DH don't like lowsec because neutral RR aren't nearly as effective.
Yeah, that shit was horrible. They were incredibly slow to mobilize, and didn't report their true numbers to us, which meant we had less guardians than they were telling us they had. Then that whole "We're grabbing Bhaalhorns bbl" shit was worthless.
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Sigh. My operation was so small back then. Simpler times.
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