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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
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Pufftrees
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Haha that's a pretty epic tale. Now I know why you want to do more AS/frigate roams. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Altaen
United States33 Posts
On April 06 2011 10:20 pahndah wrote: Are you talking about a shield harby or an armor harby? Cause I don't think you can take out an armor harby. My Myrm can tank 443 DPS, while dealing 393 DPS (yeah, I know that's really low for a BC). But it can upkeep the tank for the entire duration of any 1v1. It has 40,843 EHP A typical Harbinger has no active tank, but 49,665 EHP and deals 648 DPS. (against my armor tankers strongest resists, while my ACs and drones deal damage against it's weakest) Even if you don't take the resists into account, the Harbinger's effective DPS drops to 205, Myrmidon dies in 199 seconds. Harbinger, however, dies in 127 seconds, Myrmidon wins. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
Then they decloaked 2 falcons. Lost my cane + 1 rifter. Kept trying to engage a few strays but every time we did they would immediately warp to his defence with the scimis and falcons, so we eventually gave up. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On April 06 2011 15:41 Altaen wrote: My Myrm can tank 443 DPS, while dealing 393 DPS (yeah, I know that's really low for a BC). But it can upkeep the tank for the entire duration of any 1v1. It has 40,843 EHP A typical Harbinger has no active tank, but 49,665 EHP and deals 648 DPS. (against my armor tankers strongest resists, while my ACs and drones deal damage against it's weakest) Even if you don't take the resists into account, the Harbinger's effective DPS drops to 205, Myrmidon dies in 199 seconds. Harbinger, however, dies in 127 seconds, Myrmidon wins. Yay eft warring. Typically speaking though a well fit myrm should be able to go toe to toe with a harby. However dictating range is very important here which is part of why people go back and forth on using lasers or acs on a myrm. Arguably a shield harb is actually the tougher opponent especially if youre using acs. Abuse scorch range and micro your drones and its a tough close fight. a 1v1 armor harb vs trip rep myrm is much more in the myrms favor. Done right the myrm will virtually never run out of cap and the resulting damage mitigation not only from em resist but decreased by armor reps slants it pretty heavily in the myrm, As a solo to small gang ship goes the myrms a pretty solid boat if you aren't flying nano. As a nano ship its pretty subpar, you can definitely shield tank it (which was the popular fit prior to the trip rep fit thats relatively young) and have room for nanos but no bonus on guns is a curse here youre relying on drones and you must wait for them to close distance or even be usable on the gate, and the normal drone config of a myrm uses slow ass drones to mitigate its subpar gun damage. Theres a few other fits that float about like the lulzy slave implanted heavily plated version that give a drake a run for its money on staying power, but is pretty gimp on the dps side (and slower than a domi to boot) | ||
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pahndah
1193 Posts
On April 06 2011 15:41 Altaen wrote: My Myrm can tank 443 DPS, while dealing 393 DPS (yeah, I know that's really low for a BC). But it can upkeep the tank for the entire duration of any 1v1. It has 40,843 EHP A typical Harbinger has no active tank, but 49,665 EHP and deals 648 DPS. (against my armor tankers strongest resists, while my ACs and drones deal damage against it's weakest) Even if you don't take the resists into account, the Harbinger's effective DPS drops to 205, Myrmidon dies in 199 seconds. Harbinger, however, dies in 127 seconds, Myrmidon wins. No...a myrm doesn't win. I said armor harbinger which has 75k ehp, booster, neut, and 1 mid slot to field whatever other ewar it wants besides the point. Edit: Didn't read Aboms post before I made this one. TLDR Aboms quite wrong, and/or he didn't eft a proper Harbi fit. Also I think the 65k ehp + medium armor rep harbi is more popular than the 75k ehp version. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On April 06 2011 17:44 pahndah wrote: No...a myrm doesn't win. I said armor harbinger which has 75k ehp, booster, neut, and 1 mid slot to field whatever other ewar it wants besides the point. Edit: Didn't read Aboms post before I made this one. TLDR Aboms quite wrong, and/or he didn't eft a proper Harbi fit. Also I think the 65k ehp + medium armor rep harbi is more popular than the 75k ehp version. With out doing a whole lot of math i took the biggest medium pulses i could find and threw on the best ammo dps for the target (conflag right?) and cheated and threw on 3 heatsinks came out with 671dps before drones. Em damage is therefore 335.5 and thermal 335.5, adjusting for resists. came out roughly to 84 and 111 respectively (rounded up in your favor) Myrm reps 224 per second non-heated. At this point its a question of dual cap boosters vs neuting and making your drones last. Seems like a pretty close fight | ||
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Mumbleskates
82 Posts
On April 05 2011 20:32 furet00 wrote: Thats if you think without TEs. People think so single minded. So because EFT says i a TE doesn't add dps, it doesnt? lolwut? I could show you blaster BS fits that'll rip through a ship in no time. mainly TEs. that thing blasters at 30k+ sure a BC wont get that far, but then again, a AC cane is !#$% useless at 30k as well. Nonsense, I have a hurricane that does 500 dps at 30km. | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
or you can just kite with scorch to start the fight with, by the time he catches you you should have already gotten enough advantage against ac myrm for everything else not to really matter. also pahndah has the correct stats on harbi fittings. all in all though, harbi vs myrm is probably the most player skill intensive bc 1v1 in eve. | ||
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Mumbleskates
82 Posts
On April 06 2011 17:44 pahndah wrote: No...a myrm doesn't win. I said armor harbinger which has 75k ehp, booster, neut, and 1 mid slot to field whatever other ewar it wants besides the point. Edit: Didn't read Aboms post before I made this one. TLDR Aboms quite wrong, and/or he didn't eft a proper Harbi fit. Also I think the 65k ehp + medium armor rep harbi is more popular than the 75k ehp version. A proper harbinger should have about 75k buffer (not 50k, that's just sad) and deal about 650 dps with a medium neut; on the other hand, a good Myrm fit has point/web/scram and 2 plates with small autocannons, keeping the harbinger in range with ease and dealing about 450 dps itself and tanking well over 100k in buffer only. In which case the Myrm ought to win handily. | ||
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PainBall
Sweden111 Posts
 about the other changes .. dunno i must see | ||
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Body_Shield
Canada3368 Posts
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Altaen
United States33 Posts
On April 06 2011 20:36 PainBall wrote: how do u guys feel about this incoming patch? i`m kinda sad cos my anoms will be halfened in number so screw ccp! about the other changes .. dunno i must seeI'm pretty sure it's nothing but good news for low- and high-sec dwellers. | ||
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PainBall
Sweden111 Posts
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pahndah
1193 Posts
On April 06 2011 20:00 Mumbleskates wrote: A proper harbinger should have about 75k buffer (not 50k, that's just sad) and deal about 650 dps with a medium neut; on the other hand, a good Myrm fit has point/web/scram and 2 plates with small autocannons, keeping the harbinger in range with ease and dealing about 450 dps itself and tanking well over 100k in buffer only. In which case the Myrm ought to win handily. Its not even viable to fit 2 plates on a proper armor pvp harbinger without gimping it, I need to see this double plated myrm you're talking about. Also a harbinger is faster than a plate myrm with 2 plates so how are you planning to keep the harbinger from abusing scorch? | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
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pahndah
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
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