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United States42689 Posts
On February 19 2011 10:02 Widdershins wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2011 09:46 KwarK wrote:
Fitting is pretty easy. First put on a mwd, tackle and dcu (until you know what you're doing). Then put on guns. Then divide the remaining mids/lows between tank/damage mods/tackle/fitting mods to suit the situation. There is vastly much more to fitting than this. Get Eve Fitting Tool, then try lots of different fits. Switch out modules with different variations or gun sizes, try different rigs and different combinations of resists and buffer mods, etc. Spend like half an hour or 45 minutes getting a fit as good as you can get it, then try it out on tq or the test server. Find out which modules are better than others and for what reasons, which variations are stupidly expensive and you don't really want to ever have to buy, and exactly how every single module on your ship affects its performance. Then just go from there. With the hours of practice I've had I can throw a good ship fit together in EFT, or even just ingame, in under 5 minutes. And if any of you think this makes me an EFT warrior, you clearly don't know the definition of the term.
Wow! EFT?!? Really?
Of course we all use EFT. We also constantly discuss new fits and ideas on TS and try them out on each other and shit. You really think we're that clueless? What I was giving was a basic theory to go with. You're not the only one who has used EFT to the extent that they can produce effective and incredibly tight fits in game on the fly, most hatchery vets can do the same.
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On February 19 2011 10:02 Widdershins wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2011 09:46 KwarK wrote:
Fitting is pretty easy. First put on a mwd, tackle and dcu (until you know what you're doing). Then put on guns. Then divide the remaining mids/lows between tank/damage mods/tackle/fitting mods to suit the situation. There is vastly much more to fitting than this. Get Eve Fitting Tool, then try lots of different fits. Switch out modules with different variations or gun sizes, try different rigs and different combinations of resists and buffer mods, etc. Spend like half an hour or 45 minutes getting a fit as good as you can get it, then try it out on tq or the test server. Find out which modules are better than others and for what reasons, which variations are stupidly expensive and you don't really want to ever have to buy, and exactly how every single module on your ship affects its performance. Then just go from there. With the hours of practice I've had I can throw a good ship fit together in EFT, or even just ingame, in under 5 minutes. And if any of you think this makes me an EFT warrior, you clearly don't know the definition of the term.
Using EFT doesn't give you a fit strategy, nor the ability to come up with a fit strategy.
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
Kwark's advice was basically for a really new guy...obviously as you progress you have to learn to use eft etc.
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On February 19 2011 10:02 Widdershins wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2011 09:46 KwarK wrote:
Fitting is pretty easy. First put on a mwd, tackle and dcu (until you know what you're doing). Then put on guns. Then divide the remaining mids/lows between tank/damage mods/tackle/fitting mods to suit the situation. There is vastly much more to fitting than this. Get Eve Fitting Tool, then try lots of different fits. Switch out modules with different variations or gun sizes, try different rigs and different combinations of resists and buffer mods, etc. Spend like half an hour or 45 minutes getting a fit as good as you can get it, then try it out on tq or the test server. Find out which modules are better than others and for what reasons, which variations are stupidly expensive and you don't really want to ever have to buy, and exactly how every single module on your ship affects its performance. Then just go from there. With the hours of practice I've had I can throw a good ship fit together in EFT, or even just ingame, in under 5 minutes. And if any of you think this makes me an EFT warrior, you clearly don't know the definition of the term.
who are you? why should i spend any thought in what you are or not...
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On February 19 2011 10:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2011 10:02 Widdershins wrote:On February 19 2011 09:46 KwarK wrote:
Fitting is pretty easy. First put on a mwd, tackle and dcu (until you know what you're doing). Then put on guns. Then divide the remaining mids/lows between tank/damage mods/tackle/fitting mods to suit the situation. There is vastly much more to fitting than this. Get Eve Fitting Tool, then try lots of different fits. Switch out modules with different variations or gun sizes, try different rigs and different combinations of resists and buffer mods, etc. Spend like half an hour or 45 minutes getting a fit as good as you can get it, then try it out on tq or the test server. Find out which modules are better than others and for what reasons, which variations are stupidly expensive and you don't really want to ever have to buy, and exactly how every single module on your ship affects its performance. Then just go from there. With the hours of practice I've had I can throw a good ship fit together in EFT, or even just ingame, in under 5 minutes. And if any of you think this makes me an EFT warrior, you clearly don't know the definition of the term. Wow! EFT?!? Really? Of course we all use EFT. We also constantly discuss new fits and ideas on TS and try them out on each other and shit. You really think we're that clueless? What I was giving was a basic theory to go with. You're not the only one who has used EFT to the extent that they can produce effective and incredibly tight fits in game on the fly, most hatchery vets can do the same.
Wow, are you mad about something?
No need to get nasty, sarcastic, and combative, dude. What the hell.
I didn't say what you said was wrong. I was letting him know that there's more to fitting, and what he can do to work towards becoming a self-sufficient expert in that area in the future.
Do you treat everyone who tries to help your corp members like this?
edit: jesus christ, wow, i still can't believe you responded like that.
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If you thought that was nasty, sarcastic and combative, I'd like to be the first to welcome you to the internets.
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Dont pay attention to kwark, hes just being bitter today. EFT is an extreamly helpful and fun tool, but it seems like he doesnt even know what he wants his ship to do. Heres an example:
Lets say I want to kill and pod macro haulers in lowsec. I would want a ship that can tank gateguns for a reasonable amount of time, be able to close distance and kill the target ship quickly, and have smartbombs to get the pod. After a bit of thinking I decided on a cyclone.
It has a boost bonus allowing me to tank gateguns, is relatively fast with mwd on, and can fit 3 t2 medium smartbombs. Then I start messing around with it in eft to see what kind of setup I want.
Once you set some guidelines for what you want to do with a ship it simply becomes a matter of eft to see if it works or not. You can also use this technique to reverse engineer other peoples fits to see what they were trying to do.
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After reading Widders post a couple of time.. Im still questionning myself as to what kind of reply he thought he would get ( I mean.. Theres no way that was a post providing any useful information - statin the obvious as if noone knew about it)
im not sure what you expect when you come talk in this topic.. You keep acting as if everyone around you was a moron and when we reply to it you start actong as if you were offended
Also, im gone to the u s of the a for the weekend for skiing.. See ya chaps in a ouple of days
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lost my cyclone to a bunch of bcs
hooray
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We be each of us getting a house in EVE in the first patch from Incarna. I'm afraid they're gonna replace ship spinning! What will we doooooooo~~~~~~?
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More seriously, it's very hard to mess up L1/L2 missions. I did quite a few of them. It's more likely that you're approaching the more "dangerous" ones incorrectly, I would assume. I don't know your SP total, so that could be part of the limiting factor, but I'm fairly certain your approach might be bad.
Try to avoid drawing aggro from everything by picking which groups of enemies to shoot carefully, not shooting stuff right on warp-in to see what auto-aggros you first (if anything), flying away from them to thread them out so the faster (weaker) ships can be picked off away from the DPS ships, always maintaining a high speed vs missiles, blablablah, etc. You probably get the idea. The more safe you have to play to make up for your fit the more likely that salvaging/looting that mission will be a hassle, though.
Anyway, just ask some of your corp mates for tips on how they actually approach missions that are more dangerous for them outside of simple ship fittings.
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On February 19 2011 12:23 TurpinOS wrote:
After reading Widders post a couple of time.. Im still questionning myself as to what kind of reply he thought he would get ( I mean.. Theres no way that was a post providing any useful information - statin the obvious as if noone knew about it)
im not sure what you expect when you come talk in this topic.. You keep acting as if everyone around you was a moron and when we reply to it you start actong as if you were offended
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You really are an s-class jackass.
I was replying to the new guy, who asked for help. I gave him some basic advice for learning to get really good at using EFT to produce excellent fits. Nothing about that assumes anything about anyone except that that one guy is unfamiliar with how things are generally done and what's the most useful way to go about it. and you won't quote my post in your response because that way people would read it and see what i'm talking about.
What do I expect from this topic? I've come to expect at least some basic civility and good natured discussion and banter, from everyone except you.
disinformation, if you want to, send me mails about fittings, I'll link you examples of good fits and shit any time. Always happy to help out anyone with a head on their shoulders with that kind of thing.
On February 19 2011 11:34 Lascero wrote:
If you thought that was nasty, sarcastic and combative, I'd like to be the first to welcome you to the internets.
I'm not surprised to find that kind of shit on the internet in general, I'm surprised to find that kind of shit coming from the guy in charge of an entire corporation run by one of the world's biggest and most respected gaming communities.
On February 19 2011 12:04 Viceorvirtue wrote:
Dont pay attention to kwark, hes just being bitter today.
If you really mean it when you say that just periodically ignoring him is the best course of action, you should probably take some time to consider the way things are right now.
Addendum:
On February 19 2011 12:45 Niji87 wrote:
We be each of us getting a house in EVE in the first patch from Incarna. I'm afraid they're gonna replace ship spinning! What will we doooooooo~~~~~~?
I DON'T KNOW D:
I hope CCP reimburses me all that SP I poured into Ship Spinning V.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
Doesn't use EFT (also unsubbed) crew checkin in
Just killboard stalk decent players and create your own variations from there (or shamelessly copy!). Sometimes half the battle is admitting that some people know more about the game than you do. No use reinventing the wheel and all that.
Of course it helps to know why you use certain modules but often its not necessary. Sometimes dying in fires several times helps.
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I was actually trying to shift the discussion away from potentially becoming a senseless argument. Since that obviously didnt work as well as I hoped it would, lets try this again:
We are now talking about Incarna features and wether or not you get sp reimbursed for ship spinning.
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I want my ship spinning reimbursed, but I want the house, too.
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You guys are such little girls.
Anyways, I don't use EFT and just shamelessly copy what I can find on Evelopedia or off google... and it's worked decently well for me so far.
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On February 19 2011 16:11 kef wrote:
You guys are such little girls.
Anyways, I don't use EFT and just shamelessly copy what I can find on Evelopedia or off google... and it's worked decently well for me so far.
Hey, I spent a lot of time training that skill :<
I will often look at the fits of people who are good, and check it out in EFT to see exactly what it can do, why you would want to fit it that way, and how it might be made better. I've got nothing against using someone else's fit, I just want to know WHY it's good first 
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
All I do is copy other people! :D The thing is you have to find the RIGHT people to copy.
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If you want to copy people: Pandemic Legion are a good place to start. Most of their fits are gang oriented but if you look at the fits Genos members fly solo you can find some awesome solo/small gang pvp fits.
Club Bear are another corp who are almost all inactive now but their members were some of the best lowsec pvpers in the game.Kil2 made some amazing videos and his fits work very well. Also search for Gneeznow.
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On February 19 2011 18:15 graph1k wrote:
If you want to copy people: Pandemic Legion are a good place to start. Most of their fits are gang oriented but if you look at the fits Genos members fly solo you can find some awesome solo/small gang pvp fits.
Club Bear are another corp who are almost all inactive now but their members were some of the best lowsec pvpers in the game.Kil2 made some amazing videos and his fits work very well. Also search for Gneeznow.
This is good advice. Keep in mind that a lot of these fits are intended for people who have nearly perfect or actually perfect fitting skills, sometimes requiring some fairly expensive implants, just to make everything turn on at once.
Also keep in mind that some of them, in particular Club Bear, have a lot of fits that are geared strongly towards efficiency -- that is, effectiveness as compared to the expense of losing the ship. This is more intended for a playstyle that trends towards dying a lot, while still dealing more damage to the enemy than you yourself receive. While this is an OK mindset to take when approaching PVP, it is very expensive to maintain.
Have at it.
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