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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
January 07 2011 19:47 GMT
#5241
2.probe down and kill the russian drake who threatened to pos bash me

What class WH is it? Against a POS manager that is paying attention I don't see how you'd be feeling threatened by a drake of all things.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 07 2011 21:53 GMT
#5242
On January 08 2011 04:47 419 wrote:
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2.probe down and kill the russian drake who threatened to pos bash me

What class WH is it? Against a POS manager that is paying attention I don't see how you'd be feeling threatened by a drake of all things.


It's pretty difficult to POS bash in anything less than a class 5 anyway. It's hard to get the requisite number of battleships to take down a POS in C3-4. In a C5....you have to worry somewhat about Dreads so it's different there.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
January 07 2011 22:15 GMT
#5243
On January 08 2011 03:23 WiljushkA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2011 09:04 KwarK wrote:
On January 07 2011 08:41 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On January 07 2011 08:33 KwarK wrote:
On January 07 2011 05:08 RoosterSamurai wrote:
On January 06 2011 08:03 KwarK wrote:
Took me 5 or 6 ops before they started having survivors. But I had no-one to teach me. You guys don't know how lucky you are. Especially the new members.

I was thinking that the other day, wondering what it was like for the veterans of the Hatchery when they first started playing EVE. Maybe some day KwarK can regale me with a tale of his adventures in EVE?

There was the time I tried to fly a raven against WTs with bs 2. Then I discovered I didn't have torpedos 1 so I put the launchers in my cargo hold and just flew it as a neutboat while I trained the skill.

Then there was the time I went to nullsec and everybody died except me cause I warped to the wrong gate. Then there was the time I jumped the whole lot into a bubbled gate cause I cba to scout.
It became my thing. When I took us on an op there were no survivors. I got VoV killed because I wanted him to undock so I gave him an "insta" knowing it wasn't an insta so he'd have the courage to face his fears and undock. Also we were all spread out everywhere, you'd be lucky if you ever saw more than 1 corpmate in local. And only I really missioned and I did it in a t1 drake so good luck salvaging that. Also no noctis and learning skills. The guys back then had it really rough.

And thus we have the adventures of KwarK, our valiant Caldari Hero. The book will be published in Q3 of 2012.
Now, KwarK, do you recall any difficulties you had when you were a brand new player still on your trial account?

Caldari hated me cause I was missioning for roden shipyards for some reason, it took forever to do l3 missions and salvage them myself and I never left highsec. There wasn't really a corp or any structure or any way of learning. I was so out of my depth I didn't even comprehend how much there was going on.


thats bullshit, there were plenty of people who learned how to play in liquid inc/tcsi, it was just that you never even tried back then :p you also for some reason insisted on flying caldari blasterboats

also yeah, the infamous REMAP

edit2: i would also like to kill the guy who implanted us with the idea of doing missions for roden though. i remember the whole bunch of newbs who came in the first wave all missioned for roden for a while (though most stopped before getting to lvl2).


Blame Dex for the Roden thingy iirc. He used to do their lvl4s in Alentene back in TCSI and infected us with it. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
January 07 2011 22:18 GMT
#5244
On January 07 2011 15:59 Arhkangel wrote:
The very first time I picked up EVE: Matari ships were crap and Nanos were fitted on EVERYTHING. Crows were awesome, everyone had Megathrones and CCP decided to make their company motto to nerf Speed into oblivion.



...What? Not old enough? Leave me alone.


Matari ships were crap when you joined eve?

Crows aren't awesome anymore?


WAIT WHAT DID I MISS?
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Guilford
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia290 Posts
January 07 2011 22:24 GMT
#5245
I actually have really 9.4 standing with roden shipyard just from doing lvl2 and 3 missions at alentene :D
Being forgotten is worse than death.
SgCloud
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany23 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-07 22:59:38
January 07 2011 22:58 GMT
#5246
I hope I don't annoy people, I haven't read a lot of the thread but I guess the questions that I want to pose have already been asked 10000 times per page, but I will try anyways.
I haven't really played a lot of MMORPGs, I simply grew tired of all the senseless grinding and non existant atmosphere, is EVE Online really worth playing to someone who doesn't simply like to spend 9 hours a day grinding? How much worth is it for someone who also wants to enjoy some kind of (interactive) story and atmosphere?
Also I played BW and Wc3 (and a bit of SC2, I don't really like the game that much) and I eventually always grew tired of (parts of) Gaming communities behaving immature and just plain rude, how's the community and the general behaviour in EVE? I know you will probably never get rid of shitkids and trolls, but of course I hope the amount of those ones is low/moderate.
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
January 07 2011 23:06 GMT
#5247
On January 08 2011 07:58 SgCloud wrote:
I hope I don't annoy people, I haven't read a lot of the thread but I guess the questions that I want to pose have already been asked 10000 times per page, but I will try anyways.
I haven't really played a lot of MMORPGs, I simply grew tired of all the senseless grinding and non existant atmosphere, is EVE Online really worth playing to someone who doesn't simply like to spend 9 hours a day grinding? How much worth is it for someone who also wants to enjoy some kind of (interactive) story and atmosphere?
Also I played BW and Wc3 (and a bit of SC2, I don't really like the game that much) and I eventually always grew tired of (parts of) Gaming communities behaving immature and just plain rude, how's the community and the general behaviour in EVE? I know you will probably never get rid of shitkids and trolls, but of course I hope the amount of those ones is low/moderate.

Since everything is done in real time in EVE, there is virtually no grinding. You don't go and kill creeps to gain experience, you just add skills to the training queue, and go salvage or do missions to earn yourself some money. Even while you're offline, your skills will continue to level up as long as you plan them correctly.
It's a different playstyle than that of WoW, that much I can say for sure.
Guilford
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Australia290 Posts
January 07 2011 23:11 GMT
#5248
You don't really need to grind in EVE because the speed of skills leveling up does not increase or decrease by grinding. You accumulate skill point through time. In EVE, you grind for ingame money but If you don't use ingame money to pay for game time, you don't really need to grind much.
Being forgotten is worse than death.
SgCloud
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany23 Posts
January 07 2011 23:16 GMT
#5249
Is there a certain amount of time per day/week you feel you have to play in order to take full advantage of the game?
Also , you can pay your game with ingame money? That sounds incredibly awesome, given that you are a good player.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
January 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#5250
On January 08 2011 08:16 SgCloud wrote:
Is there a certain amount of time per day/week you feel you have to play in order to take full advantage of the game?
Also , you can pay your game with ingame money? That sounds incredibly awesome, given that you are a good player.

I don't know how much time it would take per week to take full advantage of the game. Probably more hours than there are in a week.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Oproer
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands108 Posts
January 07 2011 23:57 GMT
#5251
Okay, so I just lost on Omen to an Ishkur... Quite shameful, even though I've been only playing for a week or so but I was at a gate.. The stupidest thing ever so we actually lost an almost certain kill on a WT and instead lost a Cruiser..

What happened was I was doing missions, but when the WT logged I returned to Emol to get a Punisher and help in tracking him down and stuff. When I jumped in to Eystur the target was in Local so I called it on TS and Kwark told me to get out of local ASAP. I warped to the Pator gate and stayed there for a few sec and the WT turned up there. My ship was at like 50% hull, 70% shield and 50% armor so it was quite red. I thought it would be best to get out there ASAP, so I jumped. Enter panic mode where you don't think but instead just do something stupid.

Of course the WT jumped right after me and managed to get a point on me on the Pator side..

Everything you need to do in a situation like that is explained perfectly in the bulletins but if you manage to get into that situation, it's a bit different. Of course Kwark was a bit pissed off for making such a mistake, since if I would've let him aggress me first and then jump, it would almost certainly be a kill on that WT, and he wouldn't have been able to jump after me either... And instead of winning the war we are now losing the war. Yeah... A fine was issued and justified..
Mostly Harmless
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
January 08 2011 00:19 GMT
#5252
For those readers who don't know, one enemy can never kill you on a gate because if he attacks you can go through the gate and he can't follow. Any offensive action triggers a timer for which you can't use the gate to stop people jumping in, sniping and then jumping out or other gay shit like that. You are perfectly safe sitting next to a war target on a gate because you simply place your mouse over the jump button and if anything happens you hit it. The only exception to this is if he can one shot you. An ishkur is much, much smaller than an omen, it couldn't one shot him.

We have corp bulletins explaining this theory stuff and the first thing we tell new members to do is read them. While I don't expect new guys to understand all the above and have experience at it I do expect them to remember something when I tell them it's important and to read it. They might not have the initiative and experience to react correctly in new situations but when it's something I've explained to them how to deal with all I ask is that they follow the instructions laid out for them.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Niji87
Profile Joined September 2008
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 00:50:27
January 08 2011 00:48 GMT
#5253
Saying there's no grinding in EVE is kind of a lie, haha. You still have to grind. The thing is you don't grind Levels/Skills/Exp. Those are trained in real-time and require no strenous input from the player, you can even log off and your skills will train. You may only grind (in the general sense) two major things. Money and standing. Most other things that you could call grinding in EVE are a derivative of those two things.

EVE is, for better or worse, focused heavily around player interaction. You just set your own goals and do things to achieve them, with/without/in-opposition-to others.

Also, there isn't really anything I would call an endgame, though I'm sure others would call nullsec alliance wars and such endgame. That's more of a lategame than an endgame, though. There really isn't an "I guess I'm done!" or "I've reached the end!" stage in EVE. More of a "Fuck it, I'm tired."

I have played nearly all the major pay-to-play MMO's and I can definitely say that EVE is a unique experience in the set. It's a very different game in some senses and very familiar in others. Moreso different, though. Definitely at least try it.



EDIT: Btw, the Pedobears retracted their wardec on me. lolololololol
I am not very good at playing StarCraft.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19268 Posts
January 08 2011 00:56 GMT
#5254
WT spotted, I decided to go after him (why?) in my scan Probe. I died, and I shouldn't have even been there :<

Yeah...words can't really express the stupidity.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 01:03:04
January 08 2011 01:00 GMT
#5255
Caelum: The WT is always in eystur
KwarK: Best speeding, 2j out, everyone lets take a second and work out what's what and do this right, tofu, what do you have? do you have a longpoint
Tofu thinks: *I'm just 1j out in my ship with no tank and no disruptor so I'll check if he's in Eystur and tell kwark if he's there so he'll be happy with my initiative*
Tofu says: He's in Eystur
Tofu says: I died
KwarK: -_-

For those who don't know there is absolutely nothing tofu could contribute by being there. His ship was completely useless for this situation, it's the kind of ship that he should be running away from as fast as he could. His options were
Jump in
Is WT there -> yes -> die
Is WT there -> no -> nothing is happening

yet he still felt the need to join in and actively sabotage the op with his suicide.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Oproer
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands108 Posts
January 08 2011 01:22 GMT
#5256
I don't know if anyone cares but I managed to get out of my village which is on the verge of being flooded.

Also I encourage everyone to try this game out. It might seem complicated and harsh at first but that is exactly the essence of being in space, I think. The Hatchery is really amazing and sure, Kwark fines people all the time or blows their Noctis up, but it's almost always fair. I never mind because it's essential to learn from your mistakes in Eve online, and you will certainly learn..
Mostly Harmless
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-08 01:35:18
January 08 2011 01:24 GMT
#5257
Okay, so I just lost on Omen to an Ishkur... Quite shameful, even though I've been only playing for a week or so but I was at a gate.. The stupidest thing ever so we actually lost an almost certain kill on a WT and instead lost a Cruiser..

Omen is an awful ship unless you have the piloting ability to fly the zero-tank nano-style that Adolf Ehrnrooth uses (point/MWD/cap injector, FMP, 3/1 or 2/2 TE/HS), to be honest.

And even then unless you're an absolutely godly pilot, the shield rupture is a better choice when you inevitably make a mistake flying, as its far more forgiving, has full flight of light drones, and actually has neuting power vs frigs.

If you want to humiliate people (kill t2 frigs/drams while flying "crappy" ships), I would really suggest the Exequeror over the Omen. Its better for close range brawling (dual web scram AB or MWD + neuting faggotry sup) and you get more style points for using a mining ship.

As a starter combat cruiser I'd really suggest the armor 1600mm rupture (MWD scram web for frig killing or suicide tackling) or, if you have more refined tastes, the Arbitrator (arbi is best of the top-tier t1 cruiser for solo, slightly edging out armor Vexor and Rupture imo, when done right it will kill deimos/vaga, and if you're really good, BCs not named drake).

I say best because of several underrated traits--one being the fact that the Arbitrator has equivalent drone bonuses and a larger drone bay than the Vexor. If you're creative you can make people do absolutely stupid shit using the extra drones.
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ShoreT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States489 Posts
January 08 2011 01:33 GMT
#5258
On January 08 2011 10:24 419 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Okay, so I just lost on Omen to an Ishkur... Quite shameful, even though I've been only playing for a week or so but I was at a gate.. The stupidest thing ever so we actually lost an almost certain kill on a WT and instead lost a Cruiser..

Omen is an awful ship unless you have the piloting ability to fly the zero-tank nano-style that Adolf Ehrnrooth uses (point/MWD/cap injector, FMP, 3/1 or 2/2 TE/HS), to be honest.

And even then unless you're an absolutely godly pilot, the shield rupture is a better choice when you inevitably make a mistake flying, as its far more forgiving, has full flight of light drones, and actually has neuting power vs frigs.

If you want to humiliate people (kill t2 frigs/drams while flying "crappy" ships), I would really suggest the Exequeror over the Omen. Its better for close range brawling (dual web scram AB or MWD + neuting faggotry sup) and you get more style points for using a mining ship.

As a starter combat cruiser I'd really suggest the armor 1600mm rupture (MWD scram web for frig killing or suicide tackling) or, if you have more refined tastes, the Arbitrator (arbi is top-tier t1 cruiser for solo, slightly edging out armor Vexor and Rupture imo, when done right it will kill deimos/vaga, and if you're really good, BCs not named drake).


Nano Omen or bust. Everything is better at brawling.
Derp
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
January 08 2011 01:36 GMT
#5259
I agree, you have to leverage the imba lazer optimal of the Omen to really make it work.
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pahndah
Profile Joined August 2009
1193 Posts
January 08 2011 01:50 GMT
#5260
WTF is an omen. Its either navy issue or its not.
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