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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Body_Shield
Canada3373 Posts
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
This is a textbook example of a fit with no focus. You've got all out on damage including that stupid as fuck railgun and both lows being damage amps and then instead of committing to it with t2 rockets, a scram/web and t2 bcs you've pulled back and gone for a 10MN AB fit. But because you'd already gone all out damage you refused to compromise that to give you the power core you needed so instead you sacrificed the rigs for the AB. Then because you'd sacrificed the rigs for the AB that left your EM hole unplugged so you sacrificed your tackle mids to fix the problems caused by the AB leaving you megafucked. I rate it negative out of 10. | ||
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
On August 05 2016 03:49 oBlade wrote: No, I got your thoughts. I just wanted to explain that you're allowed to unfit modules; if you're in a tackling mood, fit a web, if you're in an ewar mood, fit something else. Power cores would be indisputable if there were a rig that could match what ballistic controls do in a low slot. No, they're indisputable. Power core = -1 meta ballistic control +2 rig slots (t2 anti EM + t2 damage) = +1 free mid slot and not much lost damage = +1 web = way more damage output. You done fucked up. But even if you hadn't, the only reason you need that 2nd router rig is for that railgun. It's a failfit. There is no defence for it. This is one of those "self destruct on the undock and never tell anyone you did this" fits. It's bad layered on more bad. You need to understand fitting philosophy, I think Chessur may have done a tutorial on that at some point but it's basically "decide what you want the fit to do, work out what it needs to have to do that in order of importance, fit those things". | ||
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
On August 05 2016 05:21 KwarK wrote: No, they're indisputable. Power core = -1 meta ballistic control +2 rig slots (t2 anti EM + t2 damage) = +1 free mid slot and not much lost damage = +1 web = way more damage output. You done fucked up. But even if you hadn't, the only reason you need that 2nd router rig is for that railgun. It's a failfit. There is no defence for it. This is one of those "self destruct on the undock and never tell anyone you did this" fits. It's not the railgun, it'll probably be hard for a retiree to see that without pyfa. You are really going crazy over this railgun. It's a missile boat, think of that as a placeholder. This is what you are pushing: Low: 1 power core Medium: 2x small boosters Rigs: Missile rig, shitty EM shield rig that also penalizes sig It ends up looking something like this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lu1GFJi.png) I can do the same with: Low: 1 amazing ballistic control Medium: 1 fantastic EM field, 1 medium booster Rigs: 2x power rig Which would probably look like this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3LyRivR.png) I have better: Shields, sig, speed - you have higher raw DPS. Spare modules: If we don't count the webs, which is fine, I have one medium and one low (sort of) with 23.5 CPU. You have a medium and high with 36 CPU and 6 grid. Right? I can fit a warp scrambler and squeeze within implants. That's all the modules I need. You can fit a probe launcher and scrambler (or any ewar), or just a cloak. I don't need a cloak. | ||
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
On August 05 2016 11:20 KwarK wrote: Stop, delete, try again from the start. How about something in this vein? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QnJJuS1.png) | ||
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
Overall though you're working with a very strong base. I can see what you're trying to do with that. You don't have the dps to kill anything bigger than a cruiser but with AB, that tank, a scram to hold tackle and control range and a web to nuke drones you can 1v1 most things you can tackle simply by wearing them down and you can escape most situations with a heated web/scram/AB align and warp. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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oBlade
United States6676 Posts
On August 05 2016 12:57 Cyro wrote: The hawk has a 50% bonus to kinetic light missile and rocket damage. That fit goes to 170+dps just by changing the ammo types to reasonable ones Yes, that's true irrespective of the fit, no sense comparing apples to oranges. | ||
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
1. You don't have to use every high slot. Empty highs are fairly common, particularly on frigates. You don't need a "placeholder" or anything else, that's nonsense, it's just using CPU/PG that could be better spent elsewhere. That said, an autocannon is often a decent choice since they use no cap to fire and the 125's in particular take virtually no fitting. 2. Use the right ammo when you are EFT warrioring as well as when you undock. As Cyro mentioned, you should basically always use kinetic ammo (scourge) in a Hawk. Also, always use faction ammo, and T2 if appropriate. Rage rockets are probably OK here against a webbed target, but you should check for yourself in EFT against a webbed AB frigate whether they or CN Scourge do better. 3. ASB's - always use the navy version of the smallest charge you can fit. Unlike cap boosters, they rep the same amount for each charge, so your goal is to maximize the number of charges you can fit. 4. To the prior point on fitting process, your first decision is what you want the ship to do. Oversized AB's are good in very specific situations; when you want to move fairly fast in a straight line and be able to ignore scrams. You can't turn and keep up any level of speed. Generally you'll need good projection to do this, so rockets probably won't work. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
This fit have 260000 tracking speed. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1lMJMuu.png) The CPU issue is easily trained away or a cheap implant. The NOS is to stay cap stable becuase I am going to orbit close to my target. The invul field is just to have a little bit of more tank but maybe that is stupid since I am trying to speed tank. Could fit one more tracking computer or a web perhaps. But will i get fucked by one ship having a web? | ||
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KwarK
United States44435 Posts
Switch beams for pulses to fit a MSE if you want to have a shield buffer. If you're in love with the beams then drop the TE for an auxy core but invuln only works to amplify your boosting/buffer if you actually fit some boosting/buffer. Burn it all down, start again basically. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
I do not neccesarily want a shield tank, hence the speed tank. But my main question is, I know nothing about it so will it be viable or should one always have some shield tank to handle random shots hitting or drones etc? In this new fit I'm guessing I need some shield "buffer" to close in on a target, meaning activation of invul etc. Then when I am in range for speed tanking I have stable cab to keep all things on except invul, where ships should not hit me. On another topic. Do you play any other games now that EVE is no longer eating your time? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/srGQzK9.png) I cannot believe I didnt see the pulsevsbeam difference myself... | ||
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