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DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
August 25 2014 22:55 GMT
#37601
+ Show Spoiler [More stuff no one cares about] +


On August 26 2014 04:04 KwarK wrote:
The rules of economics do not exist in a vacuum. You have to enter being stabbed into an economic cost benefit analysis. The idea of a free market that exists independently of society is an artificial distinction.


Imagine people arguing over the definition of entropy. And then someone jumps into the discussion to say that string theory is complete crock. That is what is happening here.

This whole discussion started when someone tried to justify the prices of drugs using moral arguments. I pointed out that the important factor behind drug prices is the demand structure of the market, and everything else (that's unregulated) exponentially decays into irrelevancy.

I'm not selling some kind of viewpoint. Demand is an economics term with a well-defined meaning which you have to try quite hard to misconstrue. It is not a moral concept any more than entropy is a moral concept in physics. Additionally, the demand structure theory works perfectly fine in an economy where you have to take into account being stabbed. It is not a philosophy or an ideal. It is a mathematical entity.


On August 26 2014 04:29 Mysticus wrote:
The price of an item in economics reflects a profit maximizing equilibrium when all other factors are accounted for.

Medicine in general, but in the US in particular is a field where all concepts of free economic exchange fails. Hospitals have geographic monopolies in most parts of the country and the demand curved they are faced with is as close to the theoretical static demand as anything in the real world. They can charge anything they like for their services, and often do.

This statement is only true in some kind of perfect auction vacuum (I don't know how else to describe it, as it doesn't exist):
The price of an item is whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Edit2:
I think the fundamental understanding difference is here:

The fact that the demand for the product was generated by some external factor doesn't matter.

It absolutely matters. A market price can only be set in a market that both parties (buyer and seller) willingly engage in. Otherwise it's something that is not trade.


See my response to KwarK. When I say "The price of an item is whatever someone is willing to pay for it," I maybe should have said value instead of price. But it's still true. All the time. You're talking about something entirely different. You're talking about how healthy markets should/shouldn't work and so on and so forth. But at the end of the day, the value or price of an item is a concept that works perfectly fine in a completely corrupt and horribly-functioning economy.

"The fact that the demand for the product was generated by some external factor doesn't matter." When you draw the graph at the end of the day, the demand curve still functions whether your market is engaging in healthy or unhealthy activity. A market that's not functioning in a healthy way will still operate by satisfying the demand structure. Whether it should or shouldn't is a completely different topic.

Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
August 26 2014 02:15 GMT
#37602
I'm sitting here in navy officer development school with nurses, doctors, and pharmacists for days and I'm finding this discussion funny
Galdo
Profile Joined January 2012
United States338 Posts
August 26 2014 02:38 GMT
#37603
On August 26 2014 01:27 JJoNeEightY wrote:
Let's get financially irresponsible, lads:

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/HalfPastWhen/saved/FMxRsY

Upgrade incoming.

I'm waiting on 800 series for the pricedrop, for a 780 to sit next to my current 780. Yay SLI!

also WTB ROG Swift.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 04:58:22
August 26 2014 04:56 GMT
#37604
And yet Blue Ice is still in bni.

fucking lol

They wouldn't kiss mittens ring and give him "his" moons back, but they will bend over and let blue ice fuck them when ever he wants. I expected a little more backbone from the alliance that welped a empire and a coalition to not get pushed around.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
August 26 2014 05:14 GMT
#37605
Hi TL, I just installed EVE and used the link in the OP to make a 21 day trial account. I am working through the tutorial now and want to get into factional warfare (would be minmatar) since it looks like an easy way to PvP for new players. I'm wondering if this a good goal or if it's a waste of time that no one plays, and whether it's something the TL.net corporation does.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
August 26 2014 11:55 GMT
#37606
faction warfare is definately a good start for pvp, because the complexes that most PvP takes place in are restricted to certain ship classes
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43460 Posts
August 26 2014 13:58 GMT
#37607
I'm going away for a week and would appreciate it if someone could help me out with some skill queues. Michael?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
August 26 2014 14:04 GMT
#37608
BBQ would you join me in my crusade? ))

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Caldari Navy Co-Processor
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Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34499 Posts
August 26 2014 14:11 GMT
#37609
On August 26 2014 22:58 KwarK wrote:
I'm going away for a week and would appreciate it if someone could help me out with some skill queues. Michael?

If it's just a few accounts I can help.
Moderator
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
August 26 2014 15:36 GMT
#37610
On August 26 2014 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:58 KwarK wrote:
I'm going away for a week and would appreciate it if someone could help me out with some skill queues. Michael?

If it's just a few accounts I can help.

On August 26 2014 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote:
If it's just a few accounts I can help.

just a few accounts

just a few

Kwark


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So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
August 26 2014 16:38 GMT
#37611
I can assist you kwark, if shoot me a PM
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
August 26 2014 16:45 GMT
#37612
If you don't mind missing a few bil. I can assist too
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
August 26 2014 17:44 GMT
#37613
if you dont mind having a few (or maybe all of them) banned i can assist too.
Calanthe
Profile Joined October 2012
United States145 Posts
August 26 2014 18:07 GMT
#37614
On August 26 2014 23:11 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:58 KwarK wrote:
I'm going away for a week and would appreciate it if someone could help me out with some skill queues. Michael?

If it's just a few accounts I can help.

"I slept for 16 hours and now I have 200 lapsed skill queues." Direct quote.
my heart's the bitter buffalo
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34499 Posts
August 26 2014 18:30 GMT
#37615
Fuck that.

Also how are you
Moderator
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 26 2014 18:33 GMT
#37616
I'll do it if I can make hilariously sketchy posts and shady emails in your name.
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
August 26 2014 18:45 GMT
#37617
Just post the accounts and pw's here and we will make it a team effort
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-26 20:39:19
August 26 2014 20:39 GMT
#37618
I'll do it if I can attempt to kick off either a bloc war or a cfc civil war in your name. Or if you actually need help with your less sensitive alts. (preferably less than 200 of them)

Also how are you doing Calanthe?
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43460 Posts
August 26 2014 22:22 GMT
#37619
Obviously it won't involve account sharing or any kind of password shenanigans.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4212 Posts
August 26 2014 23:29 GMT
#37620
Body, that gif is perfect. I laughed really hard. I had a shitty day at work, and definitely needed that. Thank you, good sir.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
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