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Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
June 16 2014 18:54 GMT
#37021
With all the recent changes, is a machariel still the top dog in terms of l4 projectile turret BS?
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
June 17 2014 10:16 GMT
#37022
marauders should be better
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
June 17 2014 12:16 GMT
#37023
Switched from machariel to vargur recently.

Answer depends on the mission, but the invulnerability to ewar with bastion activated is great against the few heavy dampening/disruption/jamming. Looting/Salvaging while cleaning the rats is also always nice. Those two make it feel overall better, though perhaps not as fast for blizzing some.
(Only drawback is that with bastion activated you are stuck and cannot warp out for 60s. Even if the active tank is insane, you can get easily killed if neuted. Doesn't change much for high sec L4s though)
Coooot
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
June 17 2014 12:20 GMT
#37024
I would say Machariel if blitzing. Not so sure if not blitzing.
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Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 12:49:58
June 17 2014 12:48 GMT
#37025
I am thinking about training for this fitting for lvl 4 sisters missions


[Golem, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

100MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Torpedo
Torpedo Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Torpedo
Bastion Module I
Corpus A-Type Heavy Nosferatu
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

80km range with Javelin , 53km with CN

does 820 DPS with Javelin , 1048 DPS with CN

841 DPS stable omni tank, can ofcourse be adapted to the mission.

the NOS is just a bonus it's not needed to run this stable but I think it's a good adition if you get missions with neuts in them
Viceorvirtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States273 Posts
June 17 2014 13:28 GMT
#37026
Machs still better. Aside from the rare mission where you get permajammed there is not reason to use a marauder. Between the warp speed and actual sub warp speed advantage the Mach has you end up completing missions far faster than other ships. Loot and salvage are ultimately meaningless unless you are in npc nullsec and collecting tags, at which point you drop an mtu, bookmark and come back later. Mach also has the advantage of being much better in an actual combat situation inside a mission or plex due to marauders having a tendency to facetank people while they call in more people which will eventually get you killed.

As far as anything more dangerous than lvl 4s, mach easily handles up to 8/10 plexs all while being pvp fit. So mach is still king due to actual clearing speed allowing you to just rush through everything and finish the mission/plex asap.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
June 17 2014 14:11 GMT
#37027
what fitting would you use on a machariel for lvl4 blitzing?
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
June 17 2014 14:15 GMT
#37028
I plan to give the 14 days trial a shot. My intention is to explore the game/universe first without trying hard on anything.

Any help/mentoring is appreciated in EU.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
June 17 2014 14:29 GMT
#37029
[Machariel, L4 Mission Machariel]

Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Tracking Computer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gist C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
800mm Repeating Cannon II
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x6
Hobgoblin II x6
Warrior II x7
Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L x840


That's what I used, but feel free to switch out for damage rigs or improvise with TE's since they blow now.
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Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
June 17 2014 14:32 GMT
#37030
Since I don't know of any better way of doing this, I'll just type it out.

Mach l4 fit

7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Gith C-type 100mn Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist C-Type Thermic Dissipaton Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field

3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II
3x Tracking Enhancer II

2x Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

11x Hobgoblin II
6x Warrior II


As always, feedback is most welcome, as well as better fit examples.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
June 17 2014 14:47 GMT
#37031
I believe Gist is superior for missioning, although it is more expensive than Pith. Gist provides more cap efficiency while Pith is more for bigger but less-efficient boosting.

With the nerf to TE's I think a TC in the mids is warranted.

Extender rigs are bad on an active tanked ship, especially a missioner. Anti-thermal rig seems a bit random. I'd definitely go CCC rigs, especially if you stay with the Pith shield booster.
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Calanthe
Profile Joined October 2012
United States145 Posts
June 17 2014 15:14 GMT
#37032
On June 17 2014 23:15 Laserist wrote:
I plan to give the 14 days trial a shot. My intention is to explore the game/universe first without trying hard on anything.

Any help/mentoring is appreciated in EU.

Use the link at the top of the topic.
my heart's the bitter buffalo
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
June 17 2014 15:56 GMT
#37033
On June 17 2014 23:47 Firebolt145 wrote:
I believe Gist is superior for missioning, although it is more expensive than Pith. Gist provides more cap efficiency while Pith is more for bigger but less-efficient boosting.

With the nerf to TE's I think a TC in the mids is warranted.

Extender rigs are bad on an active tanked ship, especially a missioner. Anti-thermal rig seems a bit random. I'd definitely go CCC rigs, especially if you stay with the Pith shield booster.


Ok so to recap, replacing 1 of the TE's with a TC, two CCC I rigs leave me with 150 calibration to use on a rig to replace the thermal one, any suggestions?

I'll try to get my hands on a Gist shield when I have some more isk.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
June 17 2014 16:01 GMT
#37034
TC is a mid slot while TE is a low slot, so you're not replacing, simply adding.

My suggested fit is in the post above yours.
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Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
June 17 2014 19:12 GMT
#37035
Well, shit.

You'll hear the news soon enough I guess...
Boggler
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada234 Posts
June 17 2014 19:41 GMT
#37036
Maller Fit

Is the DPS low, or are my settings off?
Time is money, friend!
Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 20:09:23
June 17 2014 20:02 GMT
#37037
On June 18 2014 04:12 Vipsanius wrote:
Well, shit.

You'll hear the news soon enough I guess...


dont tease us

edit: realistic guess: FA is out of CFC? that was the big rumor last week?

unrealistic guess: fozzie and rize fired, a mix of some of the hatch members/other assorted small gang oriented pvp'ers got hired to replace them?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34495 Posts
June 17 2014 20:08 GMT
#37038
On June 18 2014 04:41 Boggler wrote:
Maller Fit

Is the DPS low, or are my settings off?

Your guns are too small with non-faction ammo and you only have one Heat Sink's worth of dps mods, and you're using your own skills which don't tell us anything since we have no idea what your skills are.
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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
June 17 2014 20:42 GMT
#37039
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/starbase-changes-for-crius/
inb4 infinite reprocessing loops
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Boggler
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada234 Posts
June 17 2014 20:43 GMT
#37040
Go with Heavy Pulse Lazers? I would not be able to fit as many.

If I stick with the mediums, i can drop an adaptive, and go for another heat sink.

There rest of the lack of dps is likely my bad skills.
Time is money, friend!
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